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[Bondpurist]

I obviously didn't mean have 1950s/60s London lifted from Fleming's books onto the big screen. Things which are impractical and anachronistic obviously must be omitted, but that which is timeless- Bond's character and looks, the basic plots, the other characters, the settings - should be kept. I'm not talking about Benson or Gardner or anyone apart from Fleming - they really aren't in his league.

[Blue Eyes]

But they, like Brosnan and Moore and Sean and Timothy, are all very much a part of the Bond canon. And all important parts of it.

[Bondpurist]

Clive Owen has the mystery and dark edge. Plus The Croupier was a big hit stateside so he'll have some appeal to the American market. He has sophistication, suaveness, a good British accent, wears a dinner jacket well - he's got to be a big contender.

[Bondpurist]

Clive'd be a natural in the casino scenes after his resaerch and acting for the part of Jack in The Croupier. Take a look at the attached picture for example.

[Blue Eyes]

Owen is visually a horrible choice for Bond.

[Bondpurist]

What?? What do you mean? He's tall (6"2') dark haired with slightly cruel good looks. I think he's just perfect. That above picture may not be the most complementary but that's just the angle and the fact he's straining over a roulette wheel.

[ThomasCrown76]

Clive Owen would make a good casino boss, the guy dealing Hugh Jackman (as James Bond of course) the cards when he comes into the casino.

[Bondpurist]

Hugh Jackman this, Hugh Jackman that - this forum is about whether Clive Owen should be Bond, not that ugly rotten turd Jackman. Clive Owen has class and a distinctly suave disposition with that extra mean feel - Hugh Jackman is a clumsy oaf. You can't cast a solely hollywood/big budget actor as Bond - they haven't got the experience nor do they have the nouse to get anywhere near a decent Bond. Anyway, Bond's supposed to be a ruthless killer. Owen has got the 'he might turn round and but a bullet through my head at any moment' look -Jackman has the 'He might turn round and start plugging his latest nondescript big budget **** at any moment look'.
Owen has the dark, brooding look - Jackman always has a mindless grin that looks like someone just removed his brain through his nostrils. There's no contest - Bond has to have the tough, cruel 'bastard' look - Owen has it but Jackman just - hasn't. Even Moore looks more fearsome than him - picking Jackman would be a tragedy - picking Owen would be a triumph.

[ThomasCrown76]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I just disagree and think Hugh Jackman should be Bond #6

[JimmyBond]

I argued about this in the other thread, and I'll do it here too, why, cause I believe passionately that Hugh Jackman should be Bond, and I should be able to argue my case (isnt that what you keep saying BP?)

You keep calling Jackman a big budget Hollywood actor, he has been in 3, count them 3, high profile films. X-men 1 and 2, and Swordfish. Thats hardly a big list of bid budget films. Lets not forget Dalton was in Flash Gordon and he played Rhett Butler.

Clumsy oaf? You are basing that on the roles he's played thus far. In Swordfish he played a computer hacker who was pulled into the life of crime, he was not a professional in that film, which is why he was as you call him "a clumsy oaf" Wolverine, by nature, is a animal, therefore Jackman is going to play Wolverine as a uncouth animal. There is nothing suave about that character.

I bet you have not seen Kate and Leopold, cause if you have, you would know that Jackman can A) Do a great British accent, and Be very suave, two traits that make a great Bond.

One last thing, yes, he may be high profile right now, but who's to say the producers want to pick an unknown, after Brosnan, they may want someone in the role who has a built in audience already.

So my feelings stand, I think Jackman would make a great Bond, and we have a better chance of having him Bond then we do Clive Owen.

[ThomasCrown76]

Jimmy Bond, I heartily agree with you about Hugh Jackman. I hope the powers that be at MGM decide to go with an established person like Jackman for Bond. Bond is at an all time high (pun intended) right now, and if they want to keep it going at the same steady clip, they need to go with someone already known.

One of the problems right now with MGM being the studio responsible for Bond is that Bond is their sole huge dependable moneymaker. They aren't going to want to take too many risks with their cash cow. On the flip side, if we had Warner's with the purse strings, we'd have the same people who totally ****ed up Batman and Superman. They don't need to get their mits on Bond.

The Society For Keeping Joel Schumacher and Akiva Goldsman the Hell Away From James Bond.

[zencat]

I think Clive Owen is very much Fleming's Bond. But is that what we want for the movies?

[ThomasCrown76]

They Could do that, but it would work best with something more low-key, ie not what MGM will do.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

I like Clive Owen, I find him attractive in an interesting flawed gruff way, but I don't think he's handsome and I can't see him as the cinematic James Bond. He's great in quirky small films but I don't see him as the leading man in a $100m plus blockbuster. As for Hugh Jackman I haven't seen any of his fims so I can't comment on his acting ability but he looks the part. On a purely superficial note, at least Jackman's losing his hair slower, but Clive still has more than the other proposed Bond in waiting Jude Law.

[ThomasCrown76]

Nah, Jude Law couldn't be Bond. He's best in twisted roles like Road To Perdition where he's nutty and off-kilter.

[14 20 02]

None of them Martin Kemp who played Steve Owen in Eastenders (a UK programme) for all the people who don't know.

But Clive Owen does look kinda cool but Hugh Jackman he doesn't look like Bond to me.

[Bondpurist]

I think Clive Owen is very much Fleming's Bond. But is that what we want for the movies?

Yes! Well, in my opinion anyway.
Hugh Jackman just hasn't got that je ne sais quois. He's too..how can I put it.......populist. He hardly looks particularly cold or ruthless to me. If they thought him suitable to play a wolf, then there's no way he has the sophistication to play Bond. Bonds need that x-factor, that extra fuel in the tank, that extra thrust - and Jackman just hasn't got it. Clive Owen looks like the literary Bond, Bond that is so badly needed on screen. Jackman is too unliterary. He may have cinematic appeal, but so did Roger............
I don't think either of them will get the part. MGM will probably compromise.

[JimmyBond]

You keep saying Jackman cant be suave. Have you even seen Kate and Leopold? I'm gonna say this, if you havent seen Kate and Leopold, you cant comment on Jackman's amount of suaveness.

[Bondpurist]

Suave or not he doesn't look dark or murderous enough.

[JimmyBond]

Niether did Moore, or Connery, or Brosnan for that matter. One of the points of Bond (at least the movie Bond) is that he doesnt look like a Governmen assassain, yet he is.

Aside from that, I think Jackman looks very unpredictable, you never know what the guy is thinking (hey, that description sounds familiar, didnt they use that to describe Dalton?).

[Bondpurist]

I don't think so. Jackman doesn't look as if he's actually thinking anything.

[JimmyBond]

Now you're just resorting to insults. Not once have I insulted anything you've said. I've managed to come up with good reasons, mostly opinions on my part. And all you can do is insult Jackman.

[mrmoon]

Why does Bond have to look dark and murderous. Bond 'doesn't like killing' so why should he go around looking like he wants to murder someone. Just because he has a licence to kill doesn't mean he walks around popping off everything that moves.

[Bondpurist]

Because Bond's murderer! He has to kill, and kill in cold blood. One who regularly murders doesn't look like he's just had a frontal lobotomy.

[Carver]

HJ is a sort of rugged looking person, what you may call a modern Connery, but he is a bit more rugged. I would go with Owen over Jackman though, seeing a pic of Owen in a tux screamed Bond at me, and he is my no.1 choice.

[Bondpurist]

Owen's rugged as well. Plus he has more experience in Bondian-type roles.

[JimmyBond]

There you go again, insulting Jackman. It doesnt make sense. We're just presenting the fact that we think Jackman would make a good Bond.

mrmoon is right, in fact, its not just his opinion, its how Bond was written. Bond didnt look like a killer, Bond looks like a sophisticated English Man, and as long as we're insulting actors, I dont think Dalton looked like a suave sophisticated English man.

[Carver]

I see your point Jimmy, but surely by now, you know what Bondpurist is like, he insults everybody and everything.

[JimmyBond]

Carver, trust me, I know exactly how BP is.

As for Jackman, you have constantly argued your point about Dalton, and how he was this great Bond. But when I want to argue my point about how I think Jackman would make a great Bond, its pointless? Wheres the logic in that!?

[Bondpurist]

Argue as much as you like - just not with me!! Of course you should argue your point - but do it with someone else.