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['S']

Here's a video report from the BBC about how Bond will be doing more bonking in DAD.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...quidnews/video/

'S'

[Blue Eyes]

Should be able to download it from [url="http://"rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/choice/liquidnews/020802/bond.rm"]here[/url]

[Blue Eyes]

It's a case of More Sex Please, He's British for Lee Tahamori when it comes to Die Another Day. The [url="http://"http://www.bbc.co.uk/choice/liquidnews/video/"]BBC[/url] have scored an interview with Lee Tamahori, where the director expesses the exasperations of many fans. Why is it when Bond is in bed with women we always found him post-coital?

Well it seems Lee headed out to change the situation so that fans world-wide will actually get to see Bond "bonking". In the interview Lee explains how he expressed the decision to the producers and then went ahead with it.

While details aren't revealed, the Die Another Day teaser trailer shows a brief, yet still alluring, glimpse of James Bond showing Miranda Frost exactly how the horizontal folk dance is really done.

And to Lee, I say thank you.

[Blue Eyes]

Miranda learning that dance

[Loomis]

Interesting stuff. Not sure I was able to download the clip with perfect sound, but I took note of the following:
Acclaimed British director Mike Leigh is rumoured to have asked for (and presumably been politely refused) a part in "Die Another Day". Huh?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
The film, despite this news story making DAD out to be the steamiest thing since "Basic Instinct", will be a PG certificate (in the UK). Regardless of the "bonking", take that one with a pinch of salt: "Licence to Kill" was a 15, while all the Brosnan Bonds to date have carried the 12 certificate. The last PG-rated Bond was "The Living Daylights", which if released today would almost certainly be a 12 (or maybe a 15). I'd be very surprised if the makers of DAD are expecting a PG or if they even want one.
And finally, the point of the BBC report: sex. While I'm all for eroticism (which obviously doesn't necessarily mean showing two people simulating shagging), I'm a little baffled by what Tamahori means when he says he wants to show Bond "doing it". Er, haven't we seen him on the job a zillion times in Bond films already? Sure, there's a lot of "post-coital" stuff - such as Connery at the beginning of "You Only Live Twice" sitting in bed chatting to his latest conquest about how Chinese girls taste different from other girls (although even that scene opens with, ah, "activity"). But don't we see Brosnan and Sophie Marceau up to various bedtime manoeuvres in TWINE (of course we don't actually see what they're up to, but you'd have to be as dumb as Sheriff JW Pepper not to twig what's going on), not to mention similar things in other Bond movies. Brosnan and Cecile Thomasen's Danish lesson in "Tomorrow Never Dies" is particularly frank by Bond movie standards.
So I really don't see what Tamahori thinks he's got up his sleeve (sleeve, I say, sleeve) when he talks about how he's going to spice up Bond's sex life. To show, say, Brosnan and Rosamund Pike bouncing up and down and pretending to be humping (albeit with bedclothes covering "rude bits") would just be embarrassing. That sort of thing looked silly in "Fatal Attraction" and "Basic Instinct" and would look even sillier in a James Bond film.
That said, I'm sure the BBC story is just more hype; sex-wise, DAD won't show us anything we haven't seen before in a Bond film. Thank goodness.

[JimmyBond]

Dont forget, in interviews for TND, Brosnan said they would have more bedroom action than before. And what did we get? The aforementioned Professor scene, and a short scene in Bond's hotel room, and they didnt even get into bed.

[Dr. Tynan]

I watched that report, it was interesting.

[Blue Eyes]

Guys, don't slam Tamahori so early. There's still chance of us to see the lovely Rosamund Pyke in bed. God knows they cut the nudity

[Xenobia]

Folks...I don't care if we get to see Miranda dance, or Jinx getting jolly.

However, if Mr. Tamahori can somehow give us a little "bonding" time with 007's deadlier assets....I'd be happy with that.

And besides...PG-13 ain't what it used to be.

-- Xenobia

[Dmitri Mishkin]

Shouldn't we have come to expect this from Lee Tamahori?

I'm not surprised.

It's been said he would add an "edge" to the series, and the love sequences are only another extension of that.

[Harmsway]

I'm afraid it probably won't be the "edge" you guys think it is. It'll be no different from the love scenes in GE with Xenya Onattopp. Do you think that it'll be more boundary stretching than the scene with the general and Xenya? I don't. Personally, I don't think this is anything new. It's just hype.

[Blue Eyes]

Hype it may be, but Xenia's scene in GoldenEye while good, didn't involve Bond.

[giwiens]

I don't know about adding scenes of individuals going at it. I mean, really we know what is going on. Personally I find bedroom scenes boring when we could have more intrigue or action going. Just my two bits worth

[Dalton]

Whatever is done it must be done tastefully. Sometime an act can seem better uf it's implied. I personally don't turn on Bond films to see (as Austin Powers put it) shagging. Sex has always played a part in bond films, but has been subtle. I think it may be better to keep it this way!

We'll see.

[Roebuck]

Have any of you really left the cinema after a Bond film thinking ''Gee, I wish he'd had more sex''?
Granted, you might have wished for more character development or more/less/better action sequences.
Somehow though I don't think seeing Brosnan get his jollies with the leading ladies is what most fans are after.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Raises hand.... I do.

Really all added up they don't even equal the time of one small action sequence, so what's the problem? I think a more erotically and sensually charged Bond film would be fun, and no I don't mean explicit Rated R, but Bond could do more with it's PG-13 rating besides more explosions. He's suppossed to be a sexual fantasy as well as an action/heroic one. He spends all this time pursuing and/or attracting beautiful women, what's wrong with a little payoff to see what all the fuss is about? Otherwise he might as well be one of the multitude of almost asexual heros, who seem to enjoy being with their buds or enemies more than their women, who litter the screens (and have significantly less female viewership because of it).

MBE

[Roebuck]

So whats wrong with a little romance, like in OHMSs or TLD?
Surely that would be a more entertaining, character led direction to take rather than devoting screen time to a roll in the hay with Bond's latest blonde airhead?

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Actually if they're like one of the cheesy Masengill montages in OHMSS or Bond carting around a stuffed animal in TLD, I'll pass. Not that I'm against romance but those two examples aren't my favorites. If they could do it w/o it being so cringe-inducing fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with sensuality and sex either, if it's coupled with romance all the better.

This is BOND afterall, it's not Harry Potter. The early Bonds were considered rather sexually forward for their time, current ones are very tame for ours. Really it will still be PG-13, it won't be R (they'll never give up the PG-13 $$$'s), but they can add 30-40 seconds to the love scenes and make them more sensual and fun to watch without treading into R territory. Then again Bonds seem to be rated stricter than other films. Didn't Titanic rated PG-13 have nudity and sex? (I haven't watched the film though, and won't of my free will)

MBE

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Oh and except for Denise Richard's as X-Mas Jones have any of the recent Bond women been airheads, and even she was written at least as nuclear physicist if not acted as one.

Really why did we spend more time watching Xenia with the Admiral than Bond with Natalya or Bond with Xenia (though the almost sex scene in the sauna was the higlight)? Or Electra with Renard more than with Bond and Electra? It seems they can do more sexual/sensual/erotic scenes but they seem to happen w/o Bond (except for the fun one with the Danish professor). I mean did anyone want to see Renard or the Admiral have sex (or whatever it is Renard does), er thought not.

MBE

[Roebuck]

What I had in mind was something more along the lines of the hay barn sequence in OHMSS. Would that have been improved any by Dame Diana stripping off for a quickie?

Christmas (FYI) was written as an insurance investigator. A couple of scenes were amended to establish her as a physicist

Interesting though that on another thread I read that Asia Argento is accusing the Bond franchise of being sexist.
Whilst on this thread we have forum members eagerly debating whether their going to see Miranda Frost nude.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Doesn't Argento strip in all her other films, isn't that what she's known primarily for?

Nudity has nothing to do with being sexist, and I'm not asking the actresses to do anything I'm not willing to ask Brosnan to do, less in fact. LOL Again, no one is going topless in the film except Brosnan, it's PG-13, but the scenes can still be more SENSUOUS w/o it being graphic. And what would have improved that scene with Diana Rigg would be if she wasn't the only actual actor in. But no a sensual sweet love scene wouldn't have marred the scene in the slightest.

MBE

[Roebuck]

Point well made.
Digs at Lazenby aside, however, I can't imagine that sequence being improved upon from the way Peter Hunt directed it.
Even if he had been allowed to make it more explicit I doubt he would have.

What the series needs to continue are good scripts and directors with vision. Not more sack time for Jimbo.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

What the series needs to continue are good scripts and directors with vision. Not more sack time for Jimbo.

Agreed about the good scripts and direction, but they're not mutually exclusive to more erotic or sensuous love scenes. It's all part of the puzzle, some pieces more important and larger than others, but still intrinsic to the piece as a whole.

MBE

[Roebuck]

Very true MBE.

[Blue Eyes]

I'd have ot say the different with the On Her Majesty's Secret Service scene is that Bond is coming across as a man in love. And I agree, that sequence couldn't be improved at all.

But are we to believe that Bond is in love with beauties such as Jinx? Honestly, all the people here who have slept with someone and not loved them (and dare to admit it ) go ahead.

There's a big different to the two scenes I feel.

I think a lot of younger fans have gone to Bond for his sex appeal, and as MBE said, making it more erotic or sensous isn't going to cheapen the film. Have a look at the brief glimpse of the sex scene with Miranda Frost. You can see nothing in terms of nudity, and yet just that glimpse appears highly sensual.

[Xenobia]

Blue Eyes brings up a big point...Bond was in love with Tracy by the barn scene...and that makes a difference. What we see with Frost might be mutual distraction time (ie, keep the spy from doing something else that could interfere with the game at hand) and Bond's moments with Jinx might in lust or like, or even in love, but not the love Bond felt for Tracy.

I am always for less is more...just so my mind can have all the fun! And for those who have read some of the more interesting aspects of my fiction you know my mind has a lot of fun. ;-)

-- Xenobia