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[LooseCannon]

I was always of the understanding that no-one had ever been killed on a Bond set, in fact seem to remember an interview with Cubby stating that. On reading the trivia about FYEO on IMDb it states a stuntman, Paolo Rigoni, died filming the bob sled scene.

A big fuss always seems to be made about Johnny Jordans accident on YOLT, and I wondered if the new Ultimate Editions might mention this accident but no. Why does this seem to be hushed up? According to IMDb the poor guy was only in his early 20s.

Edited by LooseCannon, 04 April 2007 - 07:26 PM.

[doublenoughtspy]

TheSaint and I have talked about this very issue.

I am not sure why it isn't covered by the DVD.

There was one of the non-official Bond retrospectives that did discuss it - I can't remember which one.

I'll ask the DVD producer the next time I speak with him.

[dee-bee-five]

I was always of the understanding that no-one had ever been killed on a Bond set, in fact seem to remember an interview with Cubby stating that. On reading the trivia about FYEO on IMDb it states a stuntman, Paolo Rigoni, died filming the bob sled scene.

A big fuss always seems to be made about Johnny Jordans accident on YOLT, and I wondered if the new Ultimate Editions might mention this accident but no. Why does this seem to be hushed up? According to IMDb the poor guy was only in his early 20s.

There's been no cover-up; it was widely reported at the time. But it was an accident and it happened more than a quarter of a century ago. With all respect to the poor man, are we really surprised this didn't feature in the UEs?. There is a lot of footage of Johnny Jordan, but it's possible the only footage of the young guy is of him in the bob sled in which he died. It might not be very tasteful to draw attention to it.

[Turn]

I was always of the understanding that no-one had ever been killed on a Bond set, in fact seem to remember an interview with Cubby stating that. On reading the trivia about FYEO on IMDb it states a stuntman, Paolo Rigoni, died filming the bob sled scene.

A big fuss always seems to be made about Johnny Jordans accident on YOLT, and I wondered if the new Ultimate Editions might mention this accident but no. Why does this seem to be hushed up? According to IMDb the poor guy was only in his early 20s.

There's been no cover-up; it was widely reported at the time. But it was an accident and it happened more than a quarter of a century ago. With all respect to the poor man, are we really surprised this didn't feature in the UEs?. There is a lot of footage of Johnny Jordan, but it's possible the only footage of the young guy is of him in the bob sled in which he died. It might not be very tasteful to draw attention to it.

I disagree in a way. It did happen and if it was widely reported at the time as you say, what would be wrong in discussing it in the DVD? It shouldn't be dwelled upon, no, but it could be done tastefully as a tribute to the man, showing the dangers involved in stuntwork, but at the same time emphasizing the series track record of safety doing dangerous stunts since.

[TheSaint]

If the behind the scenes docu on Octopussy could make a big deal about Martin Grace's accident during filming that nearly killed him, they could've spared some time to talk about Paolo Rigoni's death during the filming of FYEO on that behind the scenes docu.

[Blofeld's Cat]

If the behind the scenes docu on Octopussy could make a big deal about Martin Grace's accident during filming that nearly killed him, they could've spared some time to talk about Paolo Rigoni's death during the filming of FYEO on that behind the scenes docu.

But if Grace had died it may have been a different thing.

I can understand why the producers would not want to dwell on such a negative aspect of a movie's production.

[doublenoughtspy]

I can understand why the producers would not want to dwell on such a negative aspect of a movie's production.

There is a difference between dwelling on something and not even mentioning it.

It's such a strange omission considering the time they devote to Johnny Jordan's accident on YOLT, and Grace's on Octopussy.

[Scottlee]

I'm surprised they didn't give him a couple of seconds mention on the documentary as a tribute to his contribution, perhaps with a still photo of him from when he was alive. I can't understand the problem with not doing this. The man died for the making of the film. To leave him off seems wrong to me.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I can understand why the producers would not want to dwell on such a negative aspect of a movie's production.

There is a difference between dwelling on something and not even mentioning it.

It's such a strange omission considering the time they devote to Johnny Jordan's accident on YOLT, and Grace's on Octopussy.

Sure, but I'm just suggesting that there's a difference about talking of someone's death during a production rather than about people who had accidents (some serious, some not so). I'm trying to think of who else may have died during the making a Bond movie and was mentioned in docos.

[Turn]

I can understand why the producers would not want to dwell on such a negative aspect of a movie's production.

There is a difference between dwelling on something and not even mentioning it.

It's such a strange omission considering the time they devote to Johnny Jordan's accident on YOLT, and Grace's on Octopussy.

Sure, but I'm just suggesting that there's a difference about talking of someone's death during a production rather than about people who had accidents (some serious, some not so). I'm trying to think of who else may have died during the making a Bond movie and was mentioned in docos.

Pedro Armendariz filmed the last of his FRWL scenes just before his death. Bernard Lee died just before his scenes were to be filmed for FYEO. I believe Derek Meddings also passed away prior to GE's release, although I don't know if that made any of the documentaries except for the featurette about special effects people.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I can understand why the producers would not want to dwell on such a negative aspect of a movie's production.

There is a difference between dwelling on something and not even mentioning it.

It's such a strange omission considering the time they devote to Johnny Jordan's accident on YOLT, and Grace's on Octopussy.

Sure, but I'm just suggesting that there's a difference about talking of someone's death during a production rather than about people who had accidents (some serious, some not so). I'm trying to think of who else may have died during the making a Bond movie and was mentioned in docos.

Pedro Armendariz filmed the last of his FRWL scenes just before his death. Bernard Lee died just before his scenes were to be filmed for FYEO. I believe Derek Meddings also passed away prior to GE's release, although I don't know if that made any of the documentaries except for the featurette about special effects people.

Of course I meant someone dying from a mishap during the course of performing their duties during production.

[Turn]

I can understand why the producers would not want to dwell on such a negative aspect of a movie's production.

There is a difference between dwelling on something and not even mentioning it.

It's such a strange omission considering the time they devote to Johnny Jordan's accident on YOLT, and Grace's on Octopussy.

Sure, but I'm just suggesting that there's a difference about talking of someone's death during a production rather than about people who had accidents (some serious, some not so). I'm trying to think of who else may have died during the making a Bond movie and was mentioned in docos.

Pedro Armendariz filmed the last of his FRWL scenes just before his death. Bernard Lee died just before his scenes were to be filmed for FYEO. I believe Derek Meddings also passed away prior to GE's release, although I don't know if that made any of the documentaries except for the featurette about special effects people.

Of course I meant someone dying from a mishap during the course of performing their duties during production.

The FYEO stuntman is said to be the only one who has died and that in itself is significant. As someone else said, it was big news at the time and not something buried, so why not deal with it in the course of such a behind the scenes look.

[WhiteKnight2000]

I was always of the understanding that no-one had ever been killed on a Bond set, in fact seem to remember an interview with Cubby stating that. On reading the trivia about FYEO on IMDb it states a stuntman, Paolo Rigoni, died filming the bob sled scene.

A big fuss always seems to be made about Johnny Jordans accident on YOLT, and I wondered if the new Ultimate Editions might mention this accident but no. Why does this seem to be hushed up? According to IMDb the poor guy was only in his early 20s.

There's been no cover-up; it was widely reported at the time. But it was an accident and it happened more than a quarter of a century ago. With all respect to the poor man, are we really surprised this didn't feature in the UEs?. There is a lot of footage of Johnny Jordan, but it's possible the only footage of the young guy is of him in the bob sled in which he died. It might not be very tasteful to draw attention to it.

I disagree in a way. It did happen and if it was widely reported at the time as you say, what would be wrong in discussing it in the DVD? It shouldn't be dwelled upon, no, but it could be done tastefully as a tribute to the man, showing the dangers involved in stuntwork, but at the same time emphasizing the series track record of safety doing dangerous stunts since.

Perhaps his family din't want the subject brought up.

[tambourineman]

I dont remember hearing of this before. It does seem a little disrespectful to just forget it ever happened when you consider the fuss they make over the stuntmen who were injured on YOLT and Octopussy and Pedro Armendariz who died of cancer during filming of FRWL.

[LooseCannon]

I agree, contrary to other posts I don't think it was widely reported at the time. I was only young but being a fan from short pants devoured anything to do with Bond, had been blown away by the previous 2 films, and was very "aware". I definitely read a magazine interview with Cubby Broccoli where he stated the worst accident had been Jonny Jordans - obviously that must have been before FYEO but I could have sworn it was after, he was definitely looking "older" in his pics.

Thanks for all the replies, after consideration I appreciate that it would be wrong to sensationalise it out of respect to his family, but personally think a posthumous mention would not have gone amiss.