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[supernova]

Just checked out the official trailer of the Bourne Ultimatum So far this looks like a rip off from Casino Royale. Just in 1 min and 20 seconds there are at least three similarities - snow lined deserted city street, big stairwell fight and dramatic scene with drowned lady underwater! The Bond franchise must definitely be number one again as everyone is busy ripping off ideas. Get your own storyline Bourne!

[sharpshooter]

I noticed this also. The running sequences are all the go now.

[stamper]

Yeah, too bad some of the sequences you mention are from the past first two films

[ACE]

snow lined deserted city street

From The Bourne Identity, 2002

big stairwell fight

From The Bourne Identity, 2002

and dramatic scene with drowned lady underwater!

From The Bourne Supremacy, 2005

The Bond franchise must definitely be number one again as everyone is busy ripping off ideas. Get your own storyline Bourne!

By your own words, you must be agreeing to the fact that Casino Royale (2006) "ripped off" Bourne.

Which, if you've even seen the films, is ridiculous.


Foot. Yourself. The. In. Shot. You.
(Please arrange as appropriate!!!!)

Sure, CR took a tonal and (for the stair fight) actual lead from Bourne but the films are so different and Bourne so different to Bond no-one has ripped off anyone.

I love Bourne.
I lurve Bond.
We can have both you know.

[HawkEye007]

I thought some of the scenes looked familiar. Why do you think they would rehash old clips for a trailer for the newest sequel? Also, maybe I am blind, but where were snow lined deserted streets in CR?

[crheath]

Just checked out the official trailer of the Bourne Ultimatum So far this looks like a rip off from Casino Royale. Just in 1 min and 20 seconds there are at least three similarities - snow lined deserted city street, big stairwell fight and dramatic scene with drowned lady underwater! The Bond franchise must definitely be number one again as everyone is busy ripping off ideas. Get your own storyline Bourne!

Most of those scenes you mentioned are from the previous Bourne movies made before CR was made. CR, as good as it was, definitely borrowed from the Bourne series.

Edited by crheath, 29 March 2007 - 01:17 PM.

[supernova]

The Bourne Ultimatum trailer showing on You Tube is the official one for the upcoming movie - they put the trailer together now - not two years ago. Curiously similar selection of clips (to Casino Royale) for a trailer lasting barely over a minute.

[ACE]

The Bourne Ultimatum trailer showing on You Tube is the official one for the upcoming movie - they put the trailer together now - not two years ago. Curiously similar selection of clips (to Casino Royale) for a trailer lasting barely over a minute.

The trailer is a compendium of images from the previous Bourne movies and new footage. All the shots you mention were taken from the old Bourne movies. It is a reminder of what has gone before. Then it jumps to the new Bourne.

Have you seen any Bourne movies, supernova? If you have, you may recognize the moments.

[Loomis]

It is a reminder of what has gone before.

And an unnecessary one. Couldn't they have put something reasonable together using all-new footage? Won't people who haven't seen the first two assume that all the shots are from the new film? As a Bourne geek I feel cheated, while the general viewer in me is still baffled that they'd take this approach - they could still have resorted to those bewhiskered inserts of Troy McClureist blather about "FIRST THEY STOLE HIS IDENTITY", "THEN THEY STOLE HIS MEMORY", "NOW HE WANTS REVENGE", or whatever, without actually going as far as to use old clips. Oh, well, I'm sure the film will be excellent, and that's all that matters. And, yes, we can enjoy both Bond and Bourne, can we not?

[dodge]

No Bond, no Bourne. No Bourne, no Bond. New Bond...new Bourne? I love 'em both too and think we're all the richer for the friendly rivalry between the two franchises.

[Judo chop]

No Bond, no Bourne. No Bourne, no Bond. New Bond...new Bourne? I love 'em both too and think we're all the richer for the friendly rivalry between the two franchises.

Between the recent films, there may be a rivalry. And I

[Safari Suit]

And, yes, we can enjoy both Bond and Bourne, can we not?

Sensible people can, yes. Sadly there is a trend developing (not on here mind you) which says that you cannot enjoy two similar things.

[dodge]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='720114' date='29 March 2007 - 14:15'][quote name='dodge' post='720109' date='29 March 2007 - 08:58']No Bond, no Bourne. No Bourne, no Bond. New Bond...new Bourne? I love 'em both too and think we're all the richer for the friendly rivalry between the two franchises.[/quote]
Between the recent films, there may be a rivalry. And I

[Brock Samson]

Agreed that the trailer is disappointing because it uses so much from the previous films but that last shot is a blinder.

[Tarl_Cabot]

snow lined deserted city street

From The Bourne Identity, 2002

big stairwell fight

From The Bourne Identity, 2002

and dramatic scene with drowned lady underwater!

From The Bourne Supremacy, 2005

The Bond franchise must definitely be number one again as everyone is busy ripping off ideas. Get your own storyline Bourne!

By your own words, you must be agreeing to the fact that Casino Royale (2006) "ripped off" Bourne.

Which, if you've even seen the films, is ridiculous.


Foot. Yourself. The. In. Shot. You.
(Please arrange as appropriate!!!!)

Sure, CR took a tonal and (for the stair fight) actual lead from Bourne but the films are so different and Bourne so different to Bond no-one has ripped off anyone.

I love Bourne.
I lurve Bond.
We can have both you know.

Indeed.I have diet Dr Pepper and diet Coke in my fridge. Yummy. Yummy.

Hilarious reply Ace.

Casino Royale was clearly influenced by the Bourne films and I'm not the least bit bothered by that.

[VisualStatic]

I would not call this a trailer, teaser yes, trailer no. And as a teaser, it works to get you interested. I know I'll see it. But then I love Bond and Bourne. We can have both as someone said before.

Also, from the point where Damon starts to speak is all footage from Ultimatum, so you can't really say there is nothing new. Wouldn't you expect some flash back maybe in the teaser for Bond 22 since it is a continuation, much like Bourne is, a trilogy.

[erniecureo]

I find it interesting that one's enjoyment of something seems to be heightened by a feeling of exclusivity. Politics, religion, sports, nationalistic fervor--every where you look, you see people who can't enjoy something without demonizing or downgrading the "other."

James Bond?
Jason Bourne?
Jack Bauer?
Jack Ryan?
Matt Helm? Derek Flint? Austin Powers? Dirty Harry? Sam Spade? Philip Marlowe? Hell, we do it within our own franchise...Connery or Moore? Brosnan or Craig? Lazenby or Dalton?

Seriously...does one thing have to suck for us to enjoy something else? Entertainment, like life, is not a zero-sum game, folks. At least not for me...

[Professor Dent]

I would agree that this is more of a teaser than a release trailer. Since the movie doesn't release until August, it's safe to say that we will see more. The inclusion of scenes from prior movies isn't shocking. I'm sure the studio would like to draw some newcomers out to the theater & then maybe hope they buy some DVD's of the prior movies. Plus, it does set the stage for this movie nicely. I can easily live in a world with Bond & Bourne. I'm looking forward to seeing this movie.

[Turn]

I view Bourne as Cubby used to observe, that other similar films are good for business and promote the genre. I'm sure there were people who saw the Bourne films who had never seen a Bond film before and became interested after that.

And now I'm sure CR and other Bonds may lead people to see Bourne.

[Qwerty]

Seriously...does one thing have to suck for us to enjoy something else? Entertainment, like life, is not a zero-sum game, folks. At least not for me...

Well said. As a fan of the first two films, I'm definitely looking forward to this one.

Hopefully we'll see alot more of this film and not the previous two when the trailer rolls around.

[LadySylvia]

I find it interesting that one's enjoyment of something seems to be heightened by a feeling of exclusivity. Politics, religion, sports, nationalistic fervor--every where you look, you see people who can't enjoy something without demonizing or downgrading the "other."

James Bond?
Jason Bourne?
Jack Bauer?
Jack Ryan?
Matt Helm? Derek Flint? Austin Powers? Dirty Harry? Sam Spade? Philip Marlowe? Hell, we do it within our own franchise...Connery or Moore? Brosnan or Craig? Lazenby or Dalton?

Seriously...does one thing have to suck for us to enjoy something else? Entertainment, like life, is not a zero-sum game, folks. At least not for me...

This is, without a doubt, the most intelligent post I have ever read on any Bond forum.

[JackWade]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='720114' date='29 March 2007 - 10:15'][quote name='dodge' post='720109' date='29 March 2007 - 08:58']No Bond, no Bourne. No Bourne, no Bond. New Bond...new Bourne? I love 'em both too and think we're all the richer for the friendly rivalry between the two franchises.[/quote]
Between the franchises

[Johnboy007]

But he's saying over the life of the franchise Bond is clearly the winner.

21 films to 3 films.

Billions of dollars to perhaps a billion dollars.

[sharpshooter]

I am looking forward to the film, I liked the action and good plot of the first two films. Damon is a very good actor also.

By the way, is this film, which is based off Robert Ludlum's book, the last film for Bourne?

Will there be films of Eric Van Lustbader's Bourne Legacy and the soon to be released Bourne Betrayal?

Edited by sharpshooter, 06 April 2007 - 12:33 PM.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

It is a reminder of what has gone before.

And an unnecessary one. Couldn't they have put something reasonable together using all-new footage? Won't people who haven't seen the first two assume that all the shots are from the new film? As a Bourne geek I feel cheated, while the general viewer in me is still baffled that they'd take this approach - they could still have resorted to those bewhiskered inserts of Troy McClureist blather about "FIRST THEY STOLE HIS IDENTITY", "THEN THEY STOLE HIS MEMORY", "NOW HE WANTS REVENGE", or whatever, without actually going as far as to use old clips. Oh, well, I'm sure the film will be excellent, and that's all that matters. And, yes, we can enjoy both Bond and Bourne, can we not?

I actually watched the trailer and thought to myself how it just looked like more of the same...then I rewatched it and realized what was happening.

Personally, I'm not even excited for Ultimatum...I loved Identity but I felt like instead of focusing on creating an arc for a trilogy in Supremacy...they just had Jason Bourne kill people in humorous ways and then knelt down and prayed that they would overtake Bond as the dominant franchise...and somehow keep the story alive forever.

Don't get me wrong, I liked supremacy, but it just didn't seem like it was leading anywhere...they just wanted the story to careen on forever.

[Judo chop]

But he's saying over the life of the franchise Bond is clearly the winner.

21 films to 3 films.

Billions of dollars to perhaps a billion dollars.

Yes, that is correct. Thank you Johnboy007.

[dodge]

I am looking forward to the film, I liked the action and good plot of the first two films. Damon is a very good actor also.

By the way, is this film, which is based off Robert Ludlum's book, the last film for Bourne?

Will there be films of Eric Van Lustbader's Bourne Legacy and the soon to be released Bourne Betrayal?

That's the billion dollar question: if the Bourne trilogy will evolve from a series of films to a franchise. Damon probably won't continue. And the amnesia theme will have to be resolved in Ultimatum. Enough already about that. So, as a franchise the team will face many of the demons that Eon's had to wrestle with: new directions, new actors, new directors, etc. Bond had one major advantage: a complex, compelling character who could survive all of that. Bourne has one big disadvantage, so far: Bourne himself is a cipher, a man without memory or even, to be honest, a memorable personality. I love the pix, don't get me wrong, but that could be a BIG problem.

On the other hand, Bourne also has a potentially whalloping asset: the element of surprise. Who/what will this Bourne dude be when he finally gets it together?

I, for one, can hardly wait to see how they handle that.

[Loomis]

By the way, is this film, which is based off Robert Ludlum's book, the last film for Bourne?

I very much doubt it.

It's true that people involved in the production (can't remember who, exactly - maybe producer Frank Marshall, director Paul Greengrass, people like that) have indicated that this will be the finale of the trilogy. But then, who says you can have only one trilogy? (Ask George Lucas.)

Judging by his (very interesting) commentary on the SUPREMACY DVD, Greengrass appears to see the series as going on and on, like Bond.

Damon may "quit" after ULTIMATUM, but then he also made comments after SUPREMACY to the effect that he wasn't sure whether he'd do another one. Even if ULTIMATUM does appear to wrap things up and Damon publicly steps down from the role, he'd still be able to play Bourne 20 years from now - look at the current comebacks for the 50- and 60-something Rocky, Rambo, Indiana Jones and John McClane.

So, we could be looking at BOURNE 4 in 2027 or thereabouts. OTOH, they could recast the part, a la Bond, and keep churning 'em out. Yet another possibility, of course (although it seems the least likely option, as Damon would probably get bored with Bourne and/or price himself out of the market), would be for the series to continue for a few more films in the next few years, with Damon still in the lead.

Whichever way it goes, though, I'm virtually certain that there will be more Bourne films after ULTIMATUM, assuming ULTIMATUM makes money, which it will. Hollywood isn't good at leaving a "property" alone if there's even the slightest chance of more mileage being squeezed out of it (and I doubt that Eric Van Lustbader's continuation novels [starting a couple of years ago with THE BOURNE LEGACY, with another on the way shortly] would have been commissioned without the possibility of film adaptations), and even if ULTIMATUM ends in such a way as to rule out direct sequels there's always the prequel or reboot option. Heck, get a 20-year-old for a three-picture Bourne origin story saga showing his path from the military to Treadstone, and you're laughing, and no one would wonder why Damon was no longer in the role.

In any case, it ain't over. Not by a damn sight!

[LadySylvia]

But he's saying over the life of the franchise Bond is clearly the winner.

21 films to 3 films.

Billions of dollars to perhaps a billion dollars.

Yes, that is correct. Thank you Johnboy007.

Who gives a ? Honestly! Who cares? Why is it so damn important that the Bourne franchise has to be compared unfavorably to the Bond franchise? Isn't anyone capable of appreciating both?

[Tarl_Cabot]

I kinda hope it ends...I want a great trilogy rather than an indefinite franchise. If they wanna do the B Lgy in 15 years fine, ah la LF or Die hard but I'd prefer they not keep doing the same type of movie(Bourne on the run in Europe). In the BU Book, Bourne is supposed to be 50(he's 37 in TBI) and settled down with a family...they could do something like that for a 4th film later on as you propose...that would be cool. I just don't this this thing to be abused like so many series.