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[triviachamp]

I have a question. It is well known that OHMSS was originally supposed to follow Goldfinger (the original credits says this) then was supposed to follow Thunderball but was delayed again.

Apparently the end credits to Thunderball announced that OHMSS was the next movie. All of the VHS and DVDs I have seen feature a wipe at the beginning of the credits; I guess it was originally there. The end credits seem to end abruptly, I needed to pause to figure out the last credit was for Monty Norman.

Do we know when the deletion was made? Was it before release? After? Do any prints exist with this announcement?

[bill007]

From Amazon.ca:

The original UK release (Goldfinger) ended with "James Bond will return in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'" but by the time the film was released in America the decision had been made to make Thunderball next.

http://www.amazon.ca...r/dp/6302380553

Not a difinitive answer, but hope it helps.

[triviachamp]

From Amazon.ca:

The original UK release (Goldfinger) ended with "James Bond will return in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'" but by the time the film was released in America the decision had been made to make Thunderball next.

http://www.amazon.ca...r/dp/6302380553

Not a difinitive answer, but hope it helps.

I was not talking about Goldfinger, I was talking about Thunderball!

[Double-0-Seven]

Not sure about the title erase, but I believe the reason the credits end abruptly is because originally they had (or were supposed to have) an instrumental version of the theme song, which was later replaced by the James Bond theme. The James Bond theme they used, having a slightly shorter running time than the proposed instrumental theme song version, meant they had to fade the credits sooner. I could be wrong but I'm sure I heard this somewhere.

[Jaws0178]

TriviaChamp, this is basically everyones way of saying "I dunno"

Edited by Jaws0178, 18 February 2007 - 04:22 PM.

[freemo]

http://www.ohmss.ohm..._dvd_tball.html

This shows what you're talking about, but doesn't really answer your questions I'm afriad.

[triviachamp]

Well from what I have read it seems the wipe was for "home video" however I have seen this wipe credited to Peter Hunt so I doubt it was done in the 1980s. Also it has been re-released before VHS and no one seems to have remembered it if it was there.

I guess it was done in 1966 when it decided to make YOLT. I still wonder if any prints exist with the OHMSS announcement. It seems Thunderball exists in two prints with minor differences in the soundtrack that have been noted already but no OHMSS announcement.

[RazorBlade]

Darn, now I'm gonna drive myself crazy trying to figure out if I remember what film James Bond returns in as I saw the original release as a child. If I do remember I will post it here.

It seems that OHMSS fits though. It could have been that YOLT was there later after YOLT came out.

[Major Tallon]

I saw Thunderball in its first week of release in December 1965. There was no "James Bond will return" credit. For a while, I wasn't sure he would. It was sometime the following year when plans to produce YOLT were announced. Folklore says it was chosen because Thunderball had been such an enormous hit in Japan. If plans had been underway to film OHMSS, nothing was published in the mainstream US media at the time.

[RazorBlade]

I'm sure you are correct. I am relying on my feeble memory shaken and stirred by multiple viewings over several years at the old Rialto theater in El Dorado, AR.

[triviachamp]

I saw Thunderball in its first week of release in December 1965. There was no "James Bond will return" credit. For a while, I wasn't sure he would. It was sometime the following year when plans to produce YOLT were announced. Folklore says it was chosen because Thunderball had been such an enormous hit in Japan. If plans had been underway to film OHMSS, nothing was published in the mainstream US media at the time.

So it was never in the film (at least in the US) at all? Interesting.

[JLaidlaw]

I Dunno.

But... on the Second DVD Commentary (The one which also allows you to here Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang as the title theme) there is a 1966 American radio advert about the casting of Blofeld's girls for On Her Majesty's Secret Service, so I assume reports of OHMSS as James Bond 5 must have been in the air at that time. I did think it was surprising that the OHMSS advert came at the end of the Thunderball Commentary rather than the YOLT one

[doublenoughtspy]

Folklore says it was chosen because Thunderball had been such an enormous hit in Japan.

Actually they premiered Tball in Japan on Dec 9, 1965 - almost 2 weeks before US or European debuts. They gave Japan the premiere because they wanted the publicity to help launch the fact that YOLT would be the next film.

[Major Tallon]

I stand corrected! Thanks!

[Hotwinds]

Any questions you have should be answered by clicking on this link devoted to the film.

http://www.obsession...ostandfound.htm

Rick

I have a question. It is well known that OHMSS was originally supposed to follow Goldfinger (the original credits says this) then was supposed to follow Thunderball but was delayed again.

Apparently the end credits to Thunderball announced that OHMSS was the next movie. All of the VHS and DVDs I have seen feature a wipe at the beginning of the credits; I guess it was originally there. The end credits seem to end abruptly, I needed to pause to figure out the last credit was for Monty Norman.

Do we know when the deletion was made? Was it before release? After? Do any prints exist with this announcement?

[PrinceKamalKhan]

I Dunno.

But... on the Second DVD Commentary (The one which also allows you to here Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang as the title theme) there is a 1966 American radio advert about the casting of Blofeld's girls for On Her Majesty's Secret Service, so I assume reports of OHMSS as James Bond 5 must have been in the air at that time. I did think it was surprising that the OHMSS advert came at the end of the Thunderball Commentary rather than the YOLT one

I remember leafing thru an old 1966 copy of Saturday Review and found an article were they were discussing the next Bond film being filmed in Japan. The article referred to the film as On Her Majesty's Secret Service not You Only Live Twice. Probably was a result of outdated sources but apparently OHMSS was thought to be the follow up to the 1965 Bond film.

[DamnCoffee]

I found this, while searching online (i dont know if its fake though)

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[doublenoughtspy]

I found this, while searching online (i dont know if its fake though)

That's from the Thunderball obessional site, and it is an imagining of how the end credits would have looked, not from a real source.

Still nice though.