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#1 Blabbermouth

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 09:55 AM

As I have expressed on other thread I still hope that the producers see Casino Royale as the perfect launchpad for doing faithful adaptations of Flemings novel. So assuming - as I have put forward in the Bond 22 thread - that Live and Let Die is Bond 22. Moonraker would be Bond 23.

The story is straight forward. Moonraker is still a rocket, but a counter-missile type.

Sir Hugo Drax was born in 1945 fatherless as his father had been killed in WWII - his father's background would basically be that of the litterary Drax. His mother came across the identity of Hugo Drax and gave it to his boy, before comitted suicide shortly after. The boy Hugo was sent to England and received an education. Later on he started to learn about his heritage and blamed the English for his parents death. Drax could even be scared because of a late bombing in '45. This is when the novel takes over again - Drax building his empire through shady dealing, ending with his Moonraker project.

Instead of USSR sponsoring Drax, you could have the Organisation.

Krebs has a similar background as an orphan, and met Drax while they were searching for their parents. The German workers are still there but the moustache thing is dropped in favor of a specific uniform.

The novel is strong in characterisation and would fit excellent with Craig's Bond. Hopefully at this point Judi Dench will have been replaced as a man, which is vital for the scenes at Blades. I would cast the following in key roles:

James Bond - Daniel Craig
Sir Hugo Drax - Ron Perlman (looks like Drax, even age wise and an underrated actor)
Gala Brand - Rachel Weisz (beutiful and a very good actress)
Willy Krebs - Christopher Fulford (looks creepy enough)
M - Cieran Hinds

Well what do you guys think?

Edited by Blabbermouth, 06 February 2007 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:03 AM

I think it's a great idea. Wish you worked for EON. :cooltongue:

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:07 AM

I think it's a great idea. Wish you worked for EON. :cooltongue:

So did I

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:23 AM

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:39 AM

Where has all this "let's remake that book" talk come from? I really don't think EON are going to start remaking their own products left, right and centre. It all smacks a bit of Kevin McClory desperation.

Has there been any mention that a future Bond film would go back to books EON have already used? (or is this just fan speculation?) Forgive me if I am out of the loop on this one - but joining up the dots with the chronology of Fleming's books versus the new film version of CASINO ROYALE is not on the cards folks...

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:27 AM

Well, of course, to make a new Moonraker totally contemporary - and not just another "I know its two generations later but lets make the Nazis still the villains" movie - 'Drax' would have to be Asian...

Ideally, a senior industrialist, knighted by Tony Blair (that fits, doesn't it?), who is allowed to build a rocket, or ideally new kind of power plant, to enable the govt to redirect military/industrial funding into health care, but who is secretly Al-Queda's big man in England and wants to blow the crap out of London as a lesson to the West...

Of course, no one would do that as it would clearly offend a lot of Moooslims.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:28 AM

Where has all this "let's remake that book" talk come from? I really don't think EON are going to start remaking their own products left, right and centre. It all smacks a bit of Kevin McClory desperation.

Has there been any mention that a future Bond film would go back to books EON have already used? (or is this just fan speculation?) Forgive me if I am out of the loop on this one - but joining up the dots with the chronology of Fleming's books versus the new film version of CASINO ROYALE is not on the cards folks...

There has been nothing on remaking the novels/films - it's all just speculation on my behalf. However as Casino Royale was the first and the whole going-back-to-basics thing speculation will be there until the titel for Bond 22 is officially revealed.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:29 AM

Well, of course, to make a new Moonraker totally contemporary - and not just another "I know its two generations later but lets make the Nazis still the villains" movie - 'Drax' would have to be Asian...


Perhaps North Korean, and he creates a weapon that will avenge the separation of North and South and...

Um.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 12:24 PM

In principal I don't mind what the story for Bond 22 or 23 will be as long as it's a whooper (not the BK sandwich). Still the speculation is fun and letting the novels spark our collective imagination is to be expected.

I like Drax as an Asian. On another thread someone likened Kim Jong Il to a Bond villain. Very true. Now if we just had a real life James Bond.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 12:51 PM

In principal I don't mind what the story for Bond 22 or 23 will be as long as it's a whooper (not the BK sandwich). Still the speculation is fun and letting the novels spark our collective imagination is to be expected.

I like Drax as an Asian. On another thread someone likened Kim Jong Il to a Bond villain. Very true. Now if we just had a real life James Bond.

I would not make him anything else but German/English - and still have the revenge for his parents death as motive for his actions. Making him Asian would make it to much like Die Another Day - and I for one am not looking to go down that drain again.

Keep to the original - everytime the producers have done so it has been for the good of the series.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 01:00 PM

In principal I don't mind what the story for Bond 22 or 23 will be as long as it's a whooper (not the BK sandwich). Still the speculation is fun and letting the novels spark our collective imagination is to be expected.

I like Drax as an Asian. On another thread someone likened Kim Jong Il to a Bond villain. Very true. Now if we just had a real life James Bond.

I would not make him anything else but German/English - and still have the revenge for his parents death as motive for his actions. Making him Asian would make it to much like Die Another Day - and I for one am not looking to go down that drain again.

Keep to the original - everytime the producers have done so it has been for the good of the series.


But there is a quite a difference between Korean Asian and Arab Asian, and I think one easily grasped by the viewer.

As Jim points out, in essence the concept has been used as recently as DAD, but Colonel Moon/Graves was played pretty much as a panto villain, which lets face it, Kim Jong ll and North Korea are to the general public.

Put a Arab Asian in the place of a Nazi Drax and you would instantly have a more serious, contemporary and populist peace.

Which is, of course, is why it'll never be done :cooltongue:

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 01:03 PM

In principal I don't mind what the story for Bond 22 or 23 will be as long as it's a whooper (not the BK sandwich). Still the speculation is fun and letting the novels spark our collective imagination is to be expected.

I like Drax as an Asian. On another thread someone likened Kim Jong Il to a Bond villain. Very true. Now if we just had a real life James Bond.

I would not make him anything else but German/English - and still have the revenge for his parents death as motive for his actions. Making him Asian would make it to much like Die Another Day - and I for one am not looking to go down that drain again.

Keep to the original - everytime the producers have done so it has been for the good of the series.


But there is a quite a difference between Korean Asian and Arab Asian, and I think one easily grasped by the viewer.

As Jim points out, in essence the concept has been used as recently as DAD, but Colonel Moon/Graves was played pretty much as a panto villain, which lets face it, Kim Jong ll and North Korea are to the general public.

Put a Arab Asian in the place of a Nazi Drax and you would instantly have a more serious, contemporary and populist peace.

Which is, of course, is why it'll never be done :cooltongue:


There would never be an Arab Bond villain for quite a long time at the cinema. Bearing in mind the current Bush-fuelled times, such a character would be too much of a box office gamble.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 01:21 PM

I'd easily settle for Moonraker's ending making its way into a Daniel Craig film. That would be perfect.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 01:57 PM

Well, of course, to make a new Moonraker totally contemporary - and not just another "I know its two generations later but lets make the Nazis still the villains" movie - 'Drax' would have to be Asian...


Perhaps North Korean, and he creates a weapon that will avenge the separation of North and South and...

Um.

Hey, what if it was like a deathray shot from a satellite in outer space? But it would have to be powerful - like a second sun. :cooltongue:

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 02:17 PM

I am another that is all for adapting the actual novels and making the adaptations actually resemble the original story, but the screenwriters would have to be awfully creative to keep the Moonraker adaptation fresh. Brosnan had the pleasure of not one, but two loose Moonraker adaptations, namely GoldenEye and Die Another Day. Put Trevelyan and Moon/Graves together and voila, you have Hugo von der Drache. Graves created the weapon disguised as a harbinger of peace, and Trevelyan specifically used his weapon (both used satellites, btw) to target specifically London. Plus, Trevelyan has the revenge angle and WWII history, or at least his parents did.

I'm not saying all this to say "NO!" to an adaptation of Moonraker, but I would be mucho impressed if they could do it and avoid too much resemblance to either previous entry. The best parts of the novel have yet to be adapted!

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 03:13 PM

I third that, liking risky things. But, alas, the idea seems too novelfor some.

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 04:45 PM

Any adaptation of the novels that are more accurate that what we've seen would be nice.

Brosnan had the pleasure of not one, but two loose Moonraker adaptations, namely GoldenEye and Die Another Day.


Interesting thought, to me GE was more a TB(movie) remake and DAD was a DAF(movie) remake. Are you basing the adaptation thought of GE and DAD on the novel for MR or the movie?

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 04:48 PM

Any adaptation of the novels that are more accurate that what we've seen would be nice.

Brosnan had the pleasure of not one, but two loose Moonraker adaptations, namely GoldenEye and Die Another Day.


Interesting thought, to me GE was more a TB(movie) remake and DAD was a DAF(movie) remake. Are you basing the adaptation thought of GE and DAD on the novel for MR or the movie?

Oh, the novel. Definitely the novel. For both GE and DAD.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 05:49 AM

I said it once, and I'll say it again. I think the books could and possibly should be remade into something faithful to Fleming. Royale did a bang up job at bringing a new Bond into the 21st century so why NOT update the classics?

Edited by TheREAL008, 08 February 2007 - 05:49 AM.


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Posted 08 February 2007 - 09:01 AM

Brosnan had the pleasure of not one, but two loose Moonraker adaptations, namely GoldenEye and Die Another Day.

I disagree, the beauty of the Moonraker novel is that it is all suspense - what the hell is Drax up to and the Moonraker rocket is actually just a background element. You don't actually see the rocket go off until the end. Both GoldenEye and Die Another Day the weapon is used, but the effect and fear of what they can do is gone beacuse you see it. A bit like a good horror movie, you don't see the effect but imagine it - makes it far more scary.

Moonraker is actually one of the novels where little has been translated onto the big screen in the movie of the same name or in any other movies. This is Bond working as a detective trying to peel of the layers of Sir Hugo. Not like GoldenEye and Die Another Day where he is chasing a weapon that has been hijacked.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:07 AM

I don't like this , i would prefer a storyline more low key in line of Len Dieghton's Harry Palmer spy stories for Bond i think it would suit DC Bond .

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 06:25 PM

Any adaptation of the novels that are more accurate that what we've seen would be nice.

Brosnan had the pleasure of not one, but two loose Moonraker adaptations, namely GoldenEye and Die Another Day.


Interesting thought, to me GE was more a TB(movie) remake and DAD was a DAF(movie) remake. Are you basing the adaptation thought of GE and DAD on the novel for MR or the movie?

Oh, the novel. Definitely the novel. For both GE and DAD.


I can see that a little, I'd have to agree with Blabbermouth on the novel. You really didn't know what was up till the end.

Just my 2 cents.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 06:49 PM

Yeah. That's why it's still vastly superior to the film, and the other two films I mentioned. And why there's great potential to use the story. But I just meant that it would have to be very creatively done so as to avoid comparisons to the other films just because there is a long-range weapon being turned on London.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 07:33 PM

I dont think Cubby would be to pleased if his children were remaking his work. :cooltongue:

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 08:08 PM

Just playing devil's advocate, Matt, but if they were to adapt the novel, they wouldn't really be remaking Cubby's work. His film had two things in common with the novel: The title and Drax's name. And....that's pretty much it. No remakes of Moonraker, or GoldenEye, or Die Another Day. I agree.

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 09:06 PM

Alrighty, since Gala here has been in the Middle East for years now she is finding the suggestion of making Drax have an Arabic background VERY ironic. And she REALLY hopes for her personal James Bond to come rescue her already so that they could just solve the mission, she has been under cover for far toooo long...

(Anyways, enough of my fandomish ramblings, but I find it all toooo ironic...)

To be serious now, I would just love to see Gala Brand be on the screen already, changing the name to "Holly Goodhead" (or was it Goodnight? Lol! I can't even bother remembering!) or "Miranda Frost" is NOT going to cut it for me any longer. Holly I didn't like, Frost I am a huge fan of for other reasons, but I still want Gala Brand there. Period.

On the "origins of Drax" idea, I was under the impression that he was half British and half German, probably due to some ridiculous error made when I was a little kid attempting to read Fleming. The impression never left me. The Asian Drax idea I strongly object to because it would resemble DAD far too much, though the Arabic one I see potential in (simply cuz I, Gala, am stuck in the Middle East... lol!). Casino Royale DID mention terrorists and 9/11 and such matters and I can say that the reference did leave people where I'm at both shaken and stirred in terms of conversation and debate, but no flaming whatsoever. Having Drax be an ex patriot in the Middle East of British origin and run his own company here with a "secret motive" that is kept hidden the way the true purpose of the Moonraker was would be great. It does not necessarily have to be a nuclear weapon of sorts (I for one find the movies not pulling off the whole "nuclear" concept as well as the novels) but just something that'll cause chaos, and LOTS of it. Maybe burn up all the oil supply? I don't know, but back in Fleming's days the biggest worry out there was the whole nuclear issue and although its powers are even greater now, an oil twist could prove interesting!

Or maybe I'm just trying to pull this whole concept even "closer to home" than it really is... Either way, I want a Moonraker film... but NOT the previous one... EEEEEEK! *shudders*

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 09:13 PM

Alrighty, since Gala here has been in the Middle East for years now she is finding the suggestion of making Drax have an Arabic background VERY ironic. And she REALLY hopes for her personal James Bond to come rescue her already so that they could just solve the mission, she has been under cover for far toooo long...

(Anyways, enough of my fandomish ramblings, but I find it all toooo ironic...)

To be serious now, I would just love to see Gala Brand be on the screen already, changing the name to "Holly Goodhead" (or was it Goodnight? Lol! I can't even bother remembering!) or "Miranda Frost" is NOT going to cut it for me any longer. Holly I didn't like, Frost I am a huge fan of for other reasons, but I still want Gala Brand there. Period.

On the "origins of Drax" idea, I was under the impression that he was half British and half German, probably due to some ridiculous error made when I was a little kid attempting to read Fleming. The impression never left me. The Asian Drax idea I strongly object to because it would resemble DAD far too much, though the Arabic one I see potential in (simply cuz I, Gala, am stuck in the Middle East... lol!). Casino Royale DID mention terrorists and 9/11 and such matters and I can say that the reference did leave people where I'm at both shaken and stirred in terms of conversation and debate, but no flaming whatsoever. Having Drax be an ex patriot in the Middle East of British origin and run his own company here with a "secret motive" that is kept hidden the way the true purpose of the Moonraker was would be great. It does not necessarily have to be a nuclear weapon of sorts (I for one find the movies not pulling off the whole "nuclear" concept as well as the novels) but just something that'll cause chaos, and LOTS of it. Maybe burn up all the oil supply? I don't know, but back in Fleming's days the biggest worry out there was the whole nuclear issue and although its powers are even greater now, an oil twist could prove interesting!

Or maybe I'm just trying to pull this whole concept even "closer to home" than it really is... Either way, I want a Moonraker film... but NOT the previous one... EEEEEEK! *shudders*


You're in the Middle East? But...I thought Dubai was the capital of Ireland.

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 09:16 PM

That's Dublin.

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 09:54 PM

That's Dublin.


I must've been yolking, for there's egg on my face: forgot to add the appropriate
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:07 PM

I'd kill to be in Ireland! I've always wanted to go there! :angry: But yeah, I'm in Dubai at the moment... *points at her post* :cooltongue: