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[SilencedPPK]

There was only one part of Casino Royale that I did not understand. After Bond orders his Vodka martini at the bar, and he watches Le Chiffre, and then he grabs a knife. Why does Bond do this? And why does he think that Vesper is in danger?

Sorry if this has already been asked.

[JCRendle]

He grabbed the knife to stab Le Chiffre, he told Mathis to "Get the girl out" because, he knew once he stabbed Le Chiffre, she would be in danger from his thugs.

[SilencedPPK]

Oh, thank you. That clears up a lot!

[DaveBond21]

He grabbed the knife to stab Le Chiffre, he told Mathis to "Get the girl out" because, he knew once he stabbed Le Chiffre, she would be in danger from his thugs.

He just snapped, and he showed his rash side here. Luckily, Felix stopped him from messing things up.

[JCRendle]

yip, I recon (and this if this was real life) had he stabbed Le Chiffre, his career would have been over.

[SilencedPPK]

that makes sense to me. bond thought that there was no other way but to kill him, since he lost all of his money. Bond's a killer, and we have evidence of this cold blooded killer in the Embassay in Madagascar. he wasn't supposed to kill Mollaka, but he did because there was no other way out.

[DaveBond21]

yip, I recon (and this if this was real life) had he stabbed Le Chiffre, his career would have been over.

Yep. It would have been his last mistake as a 00.

[dinovelvet]

He grabbed the knife to stab Le Chiffre, he told Mathis to "Get the girl out" because, he knew once he stabbed Le Chiffre, she would be in danger from his thugs.

Another angle to "get the girl out" is that Bond knew Vesper was distraught over seeing Bond kill Obanno and his henchman, so he didn't want her to have to see him kill again.

[JCRendle]

He grabbed the knife to stab Le Chiffre, he told Mathis to "Get the girl out" because, he knew once he stabbed Le Chiffre, she would be in danger from his thugs.

Another angle to "get the girl out" is that Bond knew Vesper was distraught over seeing Bond kill Obanno and his henchman, so he didn't want her to have to see him kill again.

Ah, I like that one .

[DaveBond21]

Good one, dinovelvet!

Yes, I think it is both angles.

[Qwerty]

He grabbed the knife to stab Le Chiffre, he told Mathis to "Get the girl out" because, he knew once he stabbed Le Chiffre, she would be in danger from his thugs.

Another angle to "get the girl out" is that Bond knew Vesper was distraught over seeing Bond kill Obanno and his henchman, so he didn't want her to have to see him kill again.

I didn't think about it that way originally, but that seems to be just as possible.

[SilencedPPK]

He grabbed the knife to stab Le Chiffre, he told Mathis to "Get the girl out" because, he knew once he stabbed Le Chiffre, she would be in danger from his thugs.

Another angle to "get the girl out" is that Bond knew Vesper was distraught over seeing Bond kill Obanno and his henchman, so he didn't want her to have to see him kill again.

Ooo... I never thought about it that way before. Thank you, dinovelvet!

[Vodka Martino]

That line also sounded very Flemingesque to me. You would expect that Bond would have said to Mathis- "Get Vesper out of here!" , but by referring to her as "the girl", it shows us a Bond as Ian Fleming intended.
Also, the sound quality of that line reminded me of a lot of British films from the Sixties. I can't figure it out. Was the line dubbed in at a later date (aside from usual Foley work to do with dubbing) because it sounded just a tad...man I can't put my finger on it.
Watch the trailer. It seems that the sound quality of that line does not match the rest of the trailer.
Or maybe it's just me....

Vodka Martino

[Vauxhall]

Ah yeah definitely a nice nod to Fleming. As the mist of anger descends, Vesper suddenly just becomes just a girl to Bond's mind, and he resorts to a misogynistic nature of believing that "this is no place for a girl to be".

[Four Aces]

That line also sounded very Flemingesque to me. You would expect that Bond would have said to Mathis- "Get Vesper out of here!" , but by referring to her as "the girl", it shows us a Bond as Ian Fleming intended...Vodka Martino

Excellent point VM! Hooray! The end of political correctness has surfaced.

It's great to be a man, the world is my urinal

[rafterman]

That's one of my favorite parts of the movie. Great meeting between Bond and Felix.

[thecasinoroyale]

Good little moment that, showing Bond going against the grain and taking the matter into his own brutal hands. Nice touch.

And yes, he was telling Mathis to get Vesper out before all hell broke loose.

[Stephenson]

Ditching his cover at the hotel ("You've told him something as well.") or losing all his money would have been his first mistakes.

[SecretAgent007]

That line was very Dalton as well.

[Righty007]

yip, I recon (and this if this was real life) had he stabbed Le Chiffre, his career would have been over.

Yep. It would have been his last mistake as a 00.

Strictly speaking, wouldnt it have been his FIRST mistake as a double 0?

The Madagascar incident was his first mistake as a 00.

[bond_girl_double07]

The more interesting question is what happened between Vesper and Mathis while Bond was gone All kinds of sketchy planning going on there (and no doubt panicky phone calls to highers-up!)

[dodge]

That line was very Dalton as well.

I heard a subtle mixture of Connery and Dalton. Craig was certainly telling the truth about studying the old movies!

[brittany]

The more interesting question is what happened between Vesper and Mathis while Bond was gone All kinds of sketchy planning going on there (and no doubt panicky phone calls to highers-up!)

What puzzled me the most in this scene is - IF Mathis is a good friend of LeChiffre - why is he not trying to stop Bond from stabbing his 'friend'???

[bond_girl_double07]

What puzzled me the most in this scene is - IF Mathis is a good friend of LeChiffre - why is he not trying to stop Bond from stabbing his 'friend'???

Friend is probably not the best of phrase.. he doesn't (if he's with Le Chiffre at all) like him in all probability.. he's there for the money (or the power or whatever).. if Bond kills Le Chiffre, then

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Vesper is one less obstacle away from getting her boyfriend back, and Mathis (if he's worried at all) can stop worrying about all the stupid things Le Chiffre is doing with the client's money (like gambling with it and loosing piles of it on stocks)..

[jaguar007]

The more interesting question is what happened between Vesper and Mathis while Bond was gone All kinds of sketchy planning going on there (and no doubt panicky phone calls to highers-up!)

What puzzled me the most in this scene is - IF Mathis is a good friend of LeChiffre - why is he not trying to stop Bond from stabbing his 'friend'???

We still don't know for sure if Mathis is with Le Chiffre or not.

[kaloushilabops]

sorry, if this is off topic, but thought i could ask this here,

i thought "the americans" were supposed to have "made contact with LeChiffre" and thus i'm wondering what transpired between the time when Felix proposes to spot Bond the 5m in return they get control of LeChiffre, the cell phone calls from Mathis to Vesper, and then we see Vesper getting throuwn into a car. This is why i thought Mathis was a bad guy.

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[Four Aces]

The more interesting question is what happened between Vesper and Mathis while Bond was gone All kinds of sketchy planning going on there (and no doubt panicky phone calls to highers-up!)

What puzzled me the most in this scene is - IF Mathis is a good friend of LeChiffre - why is he not trying to stop Bond from stabbing his 'friend'???

We still don't know for sure if Mathis is with Le Chiffre or not.

They artfully left us hanging with that.

sorry, if this is off topic, but thought i could ask this here,

i thought "the americans" were supposed to have "made contact with LeChiffre" and thus i'm wondering what transpired between the time when Felix proposes to spot Bond the 5m in return they get control of LeChiffre, the cell phone calls from Mathis to Vesper, and then we see Vesper getting throuwn into a car. This is why i thought Mathis was a bad guy.

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The Americans were going to pick him up the next morning. By that time he was dead.

[kaloushilabops]

ahh, thank you. Is it possible for Felix to be in on this? It is weird how Bond and Felix bump into each other on the steps. and Felix stalls James long enough for LeChiffre to get out the door and away.

[bond_girl_double07]

ahh, thank you. Is it possible for Felix to be in on this? It is weird how Bond and Felix bump into each other on the steps. and Felix stalls James long enough for LeChiffre to get out the door and away.

I kind of got the sense that as Bond starts to look fidgety, Felix had been keeping an eye on him.. all of the shots of Felix up to that point, he's got a little bit of an eye on Bond.. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw him pick up the knife and let himself run into Bond on purpose..

that's what brothers are for

[Four Aces]

ahh, thank you. Is it possible for Felix to be in on this? It is weird how Bond and Felix bump into each other on the steps. and Felix stalls James long enough for LeChiffre to get out the door and away.

Hmmm. I don't think so, that would go against the development of their collegiality as per Fleming.

The Americans were tracking LeChiffre just the same, either as a fiat duplication of effort, or intended redundancy at some higher level.