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#31 Dell Deaton

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 12:17 PM

By way of disclaimer-- I've only seen Casino Royale twice so far. Both times in the theater, which refused to let me freeze frame or back-step the film to check things as it was going along.

What's up with that? :cooltongue:

The change from black, black Planet Ocean on rubber strap to blue, blue Seamaster on bracelet seemed very appropriate to me. The Omega Seamaster initially appears on the train, the first time we see him as deployed on his mission. He's got a carefully crafted cover, and, although the detail letter doesn't come until later, it makes some sense that he'd have been outfitted to some degree before boarding.

Vesper's "Rolex?" query didn't seem credible to me. But that was because I find it impossible to believe that her character, given what we know, would have confused the Omega Seamaster with a Rolex anything at that close range. She's too well rounded otherwise not to know at least generally about Rolex models; and my experience is that folks think a watch a Rolex based on seeing the date magnifier, which the Seamaster does not have. Further, this is a woman who is so detail oriented that she can fit Bond's tuxedo jacket based on visual observation.

More than one watch Forum where I initially Posted this comment generated replies stating for certain that she never actually looked at the watch. So, when my son and I went to see Casino Royale again on December 30 (supporting the year-end revenue climb, don'cha know!), it's quite clear that she looked at James Bond's watch and made an assessment before making her comment.

Admittedly, I'm a watch guy. So this is a thing w/ me.

As to the brand name references, it didn't seem inappropriate to me. After all, how often have we heard the Aston Martin referred to not just by make, but also various model number? When Bond first gets into the car in Casino Royale, the "DBS" logo on the seat all-but jumped off the screen at me! Not complaining. I'm just saying that the Omega product placement is not w/out precedent.

As to "this brand or that?" I own several models of Hamilton, Omega ("Omeeguh"), Seiko, and Rolex watches similar to the 007 ones worn. Preferences are personal, but I can really admire each for its individual value to the franchise, each in its own time (no pun intended).

Kudos to you all here a CBn for respectful, well-argued Posts on this topic. In my experience, an all-too-rare thing in Forums....

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 02:22 PM

Nice post Dell, and thanks for reviewing the watch glimpse by Vesper.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 02:43 PM

Also on a more serious note, don't forget also, Bond was a diver in the Royal Navy, I think Bond would naturally be drawn to a watch that withstands atmospheric pressure. The Rolex used to be famous for their diving watches.


This true. The Omega is a diver's watch also. However, most divers are using dive computers today and not these watches. So, 'tool' watches like Rolex and Omega are not used in the same fashion now as their original design intent, though many will still dive with them. This is one reason why Rolex watches, and Omega, as well as other brands, have morphed into adornments as opposed to being tools.

Nevertheless, a tool watch that is an automatic/mechanical is still required by some workers. I'm one of these types of workers who could benefit from a tool watch, hence the question I posed earlier in the thread about practical reasons for owning such an expensive watch.

There are less expensive lines in the tool category that are very nice, and very reliable. Sinn from Frankfurt, Germany comes to mind.

I personally find the wearing of a tool watch like an Omega Seamaster, or Rolex Submariner to be sartorially incompatible while wearing a suit or a tuxedo. These are tool watches, no matter how adorned or expensive. When I see someone wearing a Submariner with a tux, I ask myself if that individual is going to climb Everest while wearing that tux. However, if I see someone wearing a Submariner or Seamaster with everyday work clothing while I am on a flight to West Africa, then I know that individual has identified the practical need for having an expensive mechanical/automatic.

Getting back to Bond, it is very appropriate that he wear a tool watch, which is why Fleming tagged him with a Rolex. Omega would also be appropriate.

Just my two cents. Or should I say just my $6k?

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:58 AM

i've owned an omega seamaster for nearly 5 years .. nice watch

anyway .. i found that scene an appaling product placement concession.

i wish DC would have just gone the whole hog and told her how much he paid for it and where it is onsale at a reduce price!

CR was a smashing bond movie but the product placement was over the top.

i mean bond driving a souped up ford focus , lol

sony ericson everywhere as the only gadgets ..... i expected leanord rossiter to be serving the martini at the casino and spilling it over joan collins at the bar !

i'm a realist , i know these companys pay squillions to get their products rammed down our throats but this product placement was vying with the plot for attention.

the brioni suits were also very dapper but not a patch on savile row's finest for elegance ... but then again a tailor house in mayfair making a few hundred suits a year or less isnt gonna be able to pay the producers millions to put their whistles onscreen.

i felt used watching that film.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 01:54 AM

...the brioni suits were also very dapper but not a patch on savile row's finest for elegance ... but then again a tailor house in mayfair making a few hundred suits a year or less isnt gonna be able to pay the producers millions to put their whistles onscreen...


Funny on the product placement rant :cooltongue:

As for Brioni, I just don't see how they get away with their prices. They offer nice floating canvass suits, but they are not bespoke suits, nor made-to-measure (MTM), they are simply ready-to-wear (RTW) rack suits. I can get a nice RTW floating canvass suit by Canali for about $1,200. Why pay $5,000 for a Brioni RTW? I can also get an MTM floating canvass suit from Mabro for about $1,850. Again why pay $5,000 for a Brioni RTW? For Brioni prices I can get a bespoke suit almost anywhere, maybe even two. I just don't see how Brioni gets away with it's prices. Except for the tuxedo, I would not buy Brioni RTW, the tux is a different story,

And no, it's not the same as Rolex vs. Omega! :angry:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:05 AM

I do own the DAD Seamaster, but I truly adore my Rolex Submariner w/date. The Rolex has more stories to tell than the Omega but I do like both.

"Like Peking Duck is different from Russian caviar, but I love them both."

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I'd hardly call that accurate.

Omega, first watch worn on the moon. Flight qualified by NASA for all manned space missions, also used to time the critical burns that bought the doomed Apollo 13 mission safely back to earth. Omega has a great history and the Moonwatch is a classic example of this, hell it's got entire books devoted to it!


I think he meant it from a personal standpoint. HIS Rolex has been with him during many 'adventures', while the Omega was more recently bought.


Thank you Ice. Exactly what I meant.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:10 AM

...the brioni suits were also very dapper but not a patch on savile row's finest for elegance ... but then again a tailor house in mayfair making a few hundred suits a year or less isnt gonna be able to pay the producers millions to put their whistles onscreen...


Funny on the product placement rant :cooltongue:

As for Brioni, I just don't see how they get away with their prices. They offer nice floating canvass suits, but they are not bespoke suits, nor made-to-measure (MTM), they are simply ready-to-wear (RTW) rack suits. I can get a nice RTW floating canvass suit by Canali for about $1,200. Why pay $5,000 for a Brioni RTW? I can also get an MTM floating canvass suit from Mabro for about $1,850. Again why pay $5,000 for a Brioni RTW? For Brioni prices I can get a bespoke suit almost anywhere, maybe even two. I just don't see how Brioni gets away with it's prices. Except for the tuxedo, I would not buy Brioni RTW, the tux is a different story,

And no, it's not the same as Rolex vs. Omega! :angry:


in the states brioni , kiton and oxxford are the premier OTR suits for sale.

they are fantastically constructed suits ... real top notch stuff but are hardly in the bespoke level of tailoring.

the construction may be the same as a savile row suit but only bespoke , with its individual paper patterns , numerous fittings and the cutter overseeing all stages of production can justify those astronomical amounts.

a RTW will never fit as well as a bespoke ... NEVER . something off the rack will never take into consideration the wearer's idiosychrancys of posture , shoulder slope etc.

kiton is by far the worst offendor in costy price tags.

i expect agent bond to be drinking pepsi (with the brand name turned full flush on view) every 5 mins on camera next movie , giving a histrionic ''ah thats refreshing and good value'' after every mouthfull.

it looks like 'Q' has been replaced by a git at carphone warehouse.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:18 AM

jaws_dentist,

I see we are going to get along just fine, and not get along also :cooltongue:

Agreed on the benefits of bespoke. I have only had one, made by my grandfather, a tailor (now deceased).

I do like MTM, they are the half-way point. Mabro does a very good job on these. I use an excellent tailor (listed in Esquire's top US 100), the measurements go off to Italy and the suit is back in 5-6 weeks. The tailor makes the final adjustments.

Shall we have the dry cleaning argument now, or later? :angry:

Edited by Four Aces, 18 January 2007 - 02:20 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:09 AM

jaws_dentist,

I see we are going to get along just fine, and not get along also :cooltongue:

Agreed on the benefits of bespoke. I have only had one, made by my grandfather, a tailor (now deceased).

I do like MTM, they are the half-way point. Mabro does a very good job on these. I use an excellent tailor (listed in Esquire's top US 100), the measurements go off to Italy and the suit is back in 5-6 weeks. The tailor makes the final adjustments.

Shall we have the dry cleaning argument now, or later? :angry:


well the dry cleaning debate is easy.

if you wear a fused jacket dry cleaning will slowly (or quickly ) kill it as the synthetic interfacing melts under high temperature and 'bubbles up'.

as most people buy factory made clothes with no corners left uncut (and are unaware of what they are wearing) dry cleaning should only be done when absolutely necesary.

i wear bespoke , fully canvassed jackets which will stand up well to dry cleaning.

however , dry cleaners are a crude and clumsy bunch and will have your suit (espesh trousers) looking shiny in no time ! so i only take my suits to my tailor to be cleaned .... and will ask for no more than spot cleaning at that.

if i want to refresh my suit .. i use a clothes brush which invigorates the superfine wool no-end.

to me dry cleaners are like dentists .... only consult with then in an emergency (and only after trying and failing self extraction with pliers n two bottles of whiskey yourself ! )

your friend ... JD !

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:54 AM

The Omega line from CR was so blatant and painful.

And to the people talking to Fleming beyond the grave and claiming he would put Bond in an Omega...to quote Boris...I THINK NOT.

You are acting like Omega is a recent company.

They've been around since 1848.

He had every opportunity to outfit Bond with them in the novels and he never did.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:44 PM

jaws_dentist,

I see we are going to get along just fine, and not get along also :angry:

Agreed on the benefits of bespoke. I have only had one, made by my grandfather, a tailor (now deceased).

I do like MTM, they are the half-way point. Mabro does a very good job on these. I use an excellent tailor (listed in Esquire's top US 100), the measurements go off to Italy and the suit is back in 5-6 weeks. The tailor makes the final adjustments.

Shall we have the dry cleaning argument now, or later? :D


well the dry cleaning debate is easy.

if you wear a fused jacket dry cleaning will slowly (or quickly ) kill it as the synthetic interfacing melts under high temperature and 'bubbles up'.

as most people buy factory made clothes with no corners left uncut (and are unaware of what they are wearing) dry cleaning should only be done when absolutely necesary.

i wear bespoke , fully canvassed jackets which will stand up well to dry cleaning.

however , dry cleaners are a crude and clumsy bunch and will have your suit (espesh trousers) looking shiny in no time ! so i only take my suits to my tailor to be cleaned .... and will ask for no more than spot cleaning at that.

if i want to refresh my suit .. i use a clothes brush which invigorates the superfine wool no-end.

to me dry cleaners are like dentists .... only consult with then in an emergency (and only after trying and failing self extraction with pliers n two bottles of whiskey yourself ! )

your friend ... JD !


Haha! Very good. No dry cleaning argument to be found :cooltongue:


The Omega line from CR was so blatant and painful.

And to the people talking to Fleming beyond the grave and claiming he would put Bond in an Omega...to quote Boris...I THINK NOT.

You are acting like Omega is a recent company.

They've been around since 1848.

He had every opportunity to outfit Bond with them in the novels and he never did.


Tee-hee :) Now be nice :lol:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:08 PM

Did Omega offer a diver's watch in the 50's?

Edited by SecretAgent007, 18 January 2007 - 08:09 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:15 PM

paraphrasing from memory , ahem ;

vesper: '' ...who wears an expensive watch , rolex ? ''

bond : '' oh -mee -gah ''

vesper: ''beautifull ''

bond : '' yes , has all the specs of a rolex and half the price ''

vesper: ''fantastic james ''

bond : '' i bought it at macys , 25% reduction untill april and interest free credit ''

vesper: '' thats really good value , james , bravo ''

bond : '' you noticed ''

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 10:14 PM

paraphrasing from memory , ahem ;

vesper: '' ...who wears an expensive watch , rolex ? ''

bond : '' oh -mee -gah ''

vesper: ''beautifull ''

bond : '' yes , has all the specs of a rolex and half the price ''

vesper: ''fantastic james ''

bond : '' i bought it at macys , 25% reduction untill april and interest free credit ''

vesper: '' thats really good value , james , bravo ''

bond : '' you noticed ''


OMG, LMAO! :cooltongue:

Now don't be such a spoiled sport! It's a commercial world out there. Wooohooo! :angry:

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:34 AM

Did Omega offer a diver's watch in the 50's?


Yes. The first of the Seamaster 300 series, which was released in 1957. The new Planet Ocean bears more than a little resemblance to it. Here's a link to an interesting article on the early Seamaster 300s.

http://home.xnet.com..._a_history.html

The Submariner premiered at the Basel Watch Fair in Switzerland in 1953 and has been the blueprint for dive watch design ever since...although some people claim that the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms that was released the same year as the Submariner was the first true diver's watch.
Remember also that scuba diving became a popular recreational sport by the early 1960s and this would account for the proliferation of dive watches by so many brands other than Rolex.

Vodka Martino

Edited by Vodka Martino, 19 January 2007 - 12:36 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:55 AM

Good info VM :cooltongue:

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 05:41 AM

Did Omega offer a diver's watch in the 50's?


Yes, and Omega actually has a longer history than Rolex (if I may "anticipate" a bit beyond the specifics of your question here).

Among the most practical applications of timekeeping accuracy were in sea navigation and railroad track coordination. But it was military applications that made it acceptable for men to wear watches on their wrists (something decidedly feminine before this practical need over took convention). Rolex was a leader in addressing this need. And its engineering efforts focused on making its watches more reliable by figuring out ways to seal their cases against dust and ever increasing forms of external contaminants that could mess up the works.

A remaining weakspot was the winding crown. So next subsequent efforts went into self-winding mechanics ("perpetual movements"). In the end, we might say that Rolex watches were built to be robust and never to need winding.

Non-military applications were in sports. The two most well-known Rolex Bond watches of the three featured in EON films were the Submariner (Connery > Moore) and Submariner Date (Dalton): A/K/A, "sports watches."

Omega went after the sports segment by increasing its precision among fractions of seconds. "Chronographs" have been very important to capturing by exactly how much one competitor in a race versus another actually won the event. Or engine burn times during space flights such as Apollo 13. They were certified by NASA for the moon program, went to the moon, and, in fact, the brand is strongly associated with its "moon watches" (ie, the Speedmaster line).

Rolex was probably the first company to recognize the value of applying a brand name to the watches it distributed. From that it built on momentum by creating early "publicity" efforts, such as putting its watch on the wrist of the first woman to swim the English Channel, attaching a watch to the outside of a deep sea diving bell, and immersing it in boiling water in dealer display windows. After all of which, then, showing the piece still to be running. Too many watch collectors play dismissive about the value of brand and marketing. But as a James Bond fan, I see this as one of the great film brands of all time; thus, I know how valuable an asset a brand is to anything, including watches.

Tho' this does not seem to be confirmable, Ian Fleming seems to have known about Rolex through its brand-making efforts, and been sufficiently convinced by what he saw to put 007 in a Rolex watch. He could have and should have known Omega. As noted in another thread here, Omega had a diver's watch that was certainly functionally close enough to Rolex at the time of the Fleming novels to have been chosen.

In the last 25 years, a lot of the great watch companies got into financial trouble. They had difficulty w/ the profit margins and technology move that came w/ the quartz watch revolution. Rolex tended to be an exception to this. Partially due to its slow moves in watch design change. Partially due to its brand strength. But Rolex has also done something else in this latter regard, which is to manufacture its own movements. Omega, among others, use an ETA-based movement (that they modify before installation), leaving some w/ the impression that "a watch is a watch" under the skin. Ironically, Omega is owned by Swatch, which also owns ETA.

They've also allowed their brand to be compromised as a commodity through Internet pirates who violate Authorized Dealer network contracts by thinly-guised, paid salesmen who act as Forum participants and give "favorite dealer referals." Omega watches could in 2005 be commonly had then for 37% off MSRP, for example.

Last year, Omega took two strong, strategic moves to correct this. The first was to more broadly roll out its "co-axial" movement. Sufficiently different from other movements (tho' not completely in-sourced) to merit "manufacture" status. The second was to really weed out its Authorized Dealer network. The Brosnan-Bond Seamaster 2531.80 w/ the ETA-based caliber 1120 movement has been discontinued. The Craig-Bond Seamaster 2220.80 has the co-axial movement. Sometime early in 2006 (or late 2005), Omega SA made a public declaration that it planned to replace Rolex as the best known watch brand w/in the near future.

I don't know if this is possible or likely. But it brings to mind one of the Lazenby interviews from the UE DVD series where he answers a question about comparisons between he and Connery by saying that the basic fact that he's being compared at all says something of his success right at that point.

Since Casino Royale was not made until 2006, it seems to me that it is 2006 data that needs to be considered (at least to some degree) when asking the question (if that's what we're doing here), "What would Fleming have put James Bond in for the film?" I think 007's watch is actually referenced in the novel; he looks at it or something. But no brand or further description is made. So even taking the common On Her Majesty's Secret Service reference to Rolex in that novel risks imposing an association never explicitly made.

Hope I haven't taken this too far afield, SecretAgent007. Your Post just really stirred me here on a subject I thoroughly enjoy. And in the end, I think it's just great to hear folks advocate for whichever brand they've gravitated toward and stuck with - based on its association near or far with James Bond 007!

Thanks for letting me indulge myself in these wee hours of a Friday morning.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 08:19 AM

Do you think the "Omega" line was one of the most obvious product placements in a Bond movie?


Yes. One of the very few moments during CR that made me cringle a little.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:45 PM

Do you think the "Omega" line was one of the most obvious product placements in a Bond movie?


Yes. One of the very few moments during CR that made me cringle a little.


Really--?

More so than the Sharper Image pitch in A View to a Kill?

No question it was blatant. And I know that product placements are a real sore spot w/ a lot of folks (and I respect that). So this is not so much disagreement as it is a question about where this particular product placement reference falls in the seeming long line of references in EON James Bond film history.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:57 PM

Well, I guess these product plugs will continue anyways.

So for example if the watch was never mentioned, would fans demand to know what watch he was wearing?

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 04:09 PM

Dell Deaton, great post. I was actually surprised when Omega said they were going to make the Seamaster Pro a Co-Axial. I would think the price will go up quite a bit. My PO (a co-ax) keeps excellent time. Isn't Omega's modification of the ETA movement quite extensive?

thanks

Edited by SecretAgent007, 19 January 2007 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 04:37 PM

Ah hah! We have some horologists here :cooltongue:

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 05:20 PM

... if the watch was never mentioned, would fans demand to know what watch he was wearing?


My personal opinion is that they would. Look at the Rolex close-up in Goldfinger, coupled w/ the generally accepted belief that the watch maker had no association w/ the film whatsoever, didn't invest a dime in it. Yet people chase that piece like a 16-year-old boy after the prom queen. And all sorts of contemporary Rolex Submariner (and even Sub Date) owners put their multi-thousand dollar pieces on $20 NATO straps as tribute (and more).

Dell Deaton, great post. I was actually surprised when Omega said they were going to make the Seamaster Pro a Co-Axial. I would think the price will go up quite a bit. My PO (a co-ax) keeps excellent time. Isn't Omega's modification of the ETA movement quite extensive? ... thanks


Although it sometimes generates Forum flames, the Omega SA push to manufacture status, a'la the co-ax among Bond pieces, not only doesn't surprise me, but is something I'd encourage. Again, Omega was really sinking into a league below Rolex, TAG, Breitling, et cetera, as mere bling w/ it's ETA 2892-A2 base ebauche modifications. The extent to which Omega enhances that before marking it as the caliber 1120 (many do say it's "quite extensive," as you note), seems less important that the hit they take in market perception.

So the very purpose is to increase the price. Drop the lower end of the market as they go upscale. And many of us thinks that the Seamaster 2220.80 is a real strong step toward Rolex, if not close to peer.

My Planet Ocean (co-axial) keeps excellent time as well.

Ah hah! We have some horologists here :cooltongue:


While I'm eager to respond, "guilty as charged," I have to confess the monikker doesn't so much appeal to me because of its definition, but, rather, because of how it sounds when said out loud!

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:19 PM

Haha! Dell Deaton you crack me up :cooltongue:

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 08:01 PM

Haha! Dell Deaton you crack me up :angry:


Who said Bond watches weren't fun! :cooltongue:

Okay-- here's a 007 watch joke I read on one of the timepiece Forums.

James Bond is sitting at a bar next to a beautiful woman. She admires his watch. He says, "Yes, but it's been specially modified by Q to give me secret information about other people."

"What does it say about me?" she asks.

"You are not wearing any underwear."

"That's wrong!" she says, but still captivated by him.

"Darn!" Bond responds, holding it up to his ear, tapping the crystal. "It's running an hour fast again."


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 08:28 PM

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"Darn!" Bond responds, holding it up to his ear, tapping the crystal. "It's running an hour fast again." [/font][/color]


I've actually used that one before. Sure enough an hour later...:angry:

We are so banned now! :cooltongue:

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 12:33 AM

...
"Darn!" Bond responds, holding it up to his ear, tapping the crystal. "It's running an hour fast again."


I've actually used that one before. Sure enough an hour later...:lol:

We are so banned now! :angry:


A "ban" would risk missing out on one of the most fundamental basics of wearing the right (Bond) watch: The role it plays in our relationship w/ women! (Trying to keep a straight face here, so don't do anyting to make me laugh as I continue to write here.)

:cooltongue:

When Bond is "brushing up on a little Danish" at Oxford, what is he wearing? And he enjoys success. Yet notice when he's leaving Holly Goodhead after their first "evening" tryst, and you'll see that's putting on a watch that has clearly been off his wrist when he needed it most. The result? Well, quite a while before he was back in a position to "attempt re-entry," as Q aptly observed.

Sure, there's some risk in what has to be said here, Four Aces. But I think it's unfair to the Forum to engage in a discussion as serious as horology w/ out covering it comprehensively here.


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Posted 20 January 2007 - 01:49 AM

...But I think it's unfair to the Forum to engage in a discussion as serious as horology w/ out covering it comprehensively here.[/color][/font][/size]


Hahaha! Too subtle on the "comprehensive horology" quip. LMAO! :cooltongue:

#59 Dell Deaton

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:35 PM

...But I think it's unfair to the Forum to engage in a discussion as serious as horology w/ out covering it comprehensively here.


Hahaha! Too subtle on the "comprehensive horology" quip. LMAO! :cooltongue:


Some of the heated discussions that sprung up when the Omega Planet Ocean "BIG SIZE" (all caps in the name per OEM, mind you) was replete with double entendre. Would have made Our Man proud!

A lot of it is mere perception, of course.

For example, a lot of folks say that the Brosnan-Bond Omega Seamaster 2531.80 (used in his last three films) has a more pronounced wrist presense than the Dalton-Bond Rolex Submariner Date. But lug-to-lug, case width, and diameter including crown, there's no clear difference side-by-side. The aforementioned Rolex is somewhat thicker, however; that's always a thing mentioned about Rolex, and is largely due to the way it designs its inner workings.

Now-- if you wanna talk about the Craig-Omega PO, that is a different story. Heavier, wider, and thicker than either watch I just mentioned above. That said, in one of my reviews on that watch, I argue that its strap engineering makes it every bit as wearable even by folks who find the 2531.80 a smidge too big.

Passionate exchanges regarding size versus performance would follow. But they were all so dead serious that folks couldn't step back and see where taking the word "watch" out of the text would have made for a great Playboy feature article!


#60 jaws_dentist

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:40 AM

i mean bond driving a souped up ford focus , lol

I thought it was a vauxhall vectra.


its actually a ford mondeo !

sorry for not knowing my fords as i wouldnt drive one of those if you payed me ! ( well of course id own one if someone payed me , im not that stoopid )

being a mondeo , the salesman's choice , bond has cornered the market on 12k per year salesmen in polyester suits driving to work and up the motorway pretending to be on secret service missions in a haze of schoolboy fantasy heh.

oh .. and i expect daniel craig to surpass connery as the best bond in the oncoming movies as he develops his take on the smooth killing machine !

i love you all ... JD !