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[DaveBond21]

I was just thinking, that this is the Bond movie with the fewest conquests. He only sleeps with Vesper. I know that this is an important part of the plot.

In other Bond movies, he normally has 2 or 3 conquests.

In FRWL and AVTAK, he sleeps with 4 women!!

[Santa]

I have to admit, I do prefer him to have more than one. Womanising is an essential part of Bond's character.

[DaveBond21]

Me too, santajosep.


I think we may begin to see this more in Bond 22. I like the small scenes like the PTS in TLD, and the Danish teacher in TND, to show that Bond has the odd fling which have no bearing on the plot whatsoever!!

[Santa]

Exactly. I'm not too keen on the terrible bimbo one-nighter/heavy love of his life scenarios. I think the in-betweens are far more suited to the plot of a good spy thriller.

[Agent 0015]

I was watching the making of TLD on the UE disc. And one of the first things they said about changing Bond was making him less of a womanizer and more serious.

Edited by Agent 0015, 11 January 2007 - 11:46 PM.

[Athena007]

Well, he did seduce Solange as well. Maybe not a conquest... but definitely womanizing.

[Santa]

That was how things were at that time, but the world has changed again. I think we're a little less uptight about it now.

[DaveBond21]

I was watching the making of TLD on the UE disc. And one of the first things they said about changing Bond was making him less of a womanizer and more serious.

Yes, and of course, TLD was made at the height of AIDS.

Well, he did seduce Solange as well. Maybe not a conquest... but definitely womanizing.

And yes, Athena, you are quite right to point out that he would have slept with Solange, if he hadn't had to leave so quickly.

[triviachamp]

DAF are forever was a one woman Bond. Plenty gets thrown out before anything can happen.

Personal I hate it when they write some dumb bimbo just for Bond to have sex with.

[Turn]

I think a different way of reading the Bond seducing Solange scene was to show Bond getting confidence in his being able to seduce a woman to win her to his side or at least get the information he needs out of her, something that would be a big part of the character in other films. And this was one of his first big missions.

I said in another thread I'd have liked if he'd tried to seduce Valenka to try to either annoy LeChiffre or try to win her to his side to add a little womanizing. I know CR was supposed to be a love story, but it didn't stop Lazenby's Bond from seducing at least 3 women at Piz Gloria in OHMSS.

[DaveBond21]

I think a different way of reading the Bond seducing Solange scene was to show Bond getting confidence in his being able to seduce a woman to win her to his side or at least get the information he needs out of her, something that would be a big part of the character in other films. And this was one of his first big missions.

Nice idea, Turn, you could be right there. I think it worked, Solange looked impressed...

[Qwerty]

Didn't even think about that until this thread. You're right about it usually being two or three.

[JCRendle]

How do we know he hadn't slept with Solange before we cut back to them?

[brittany]

How do we know he hadn't slept with Solange before we cut back to them?

Well, guess if that happened, the word 'quickie' would become 'bondie'

But on a serious note: Solange says: '... I am also afraid that you WOULD sleep with me in order to get to him..'
IF something had happened - wouldn't she have said: you HAVE slept with me....???

Brittany

Edited by brittany, 12 January 2007 - 10:29 AM.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I was watching the making of TLD on the UE disc. And one of the first things they said about changing Bond was making him less of a womanizer and more serious.

Yes, well, we all know that in the PCS he only dropped in for a drink.

So Kara was his only conquest.

[*Gala*]

I think a different way of reading the Bond seducing Solange scene was to show Bond getting confidence in his being able to seduce a woman to win her to his side or at least get the information he needs out of her, something that would be a big part of the character in other films. And this was one of his first big missions.

I said in another thread I'd have liked if he'd tried to seduce Valenka to try to either annoy LeChiffre or try to win her to his side to add a little womanizing. I know CR was supposed to be a love story, but it didn't stop Lazenby's Bond from seducing at least 3 women at Piz Gloria in OHMSS.

I like your thinking. Personally, I think that Solange does count though I would have liked to see Valenka bond with Bond too. As for OHMSS, I kinda do agree, but I was kinda disappointed the womanizing was put to such a high degree in that one. Somehow I just thought it wasn't the right movie for it, but oh well. A Valenka scene would have been good.

[DamnCoffee]

another Campbell-Bond tradition: only beds one girl

[stamper]

One can't understand the magic of a Bimbo, unless you've bed one.

I'm telling you... Plenty O'Toole was the best Bond girl in DAF, by miles, she should have had the main woman role.

[Vauxhall]

another Campbell-Bond tradition: only beds one girl

Good point! Doubt that Bond and Caroline ever made it as far as a bed in GOLDENEYE!

[Emma]

Don't mind a womanizing Bond. But I could certainly live without Bond portrayed as a letch or a lubricious 15 year old boy who has to 'get some.' It's one of the reasons I'm not keen on Connery as Bond. The entire portrayal looked like something which might have been created by Hugh Heffner.


If we are going to have Bond be a womanizer. Let it be in the vein as Casanova. A man who was famous as a lover because he loved women and he loved pleasuring them. Not as someone who needs to mark notches on his bed posts.

[Four Aces]

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If we are going to have Bond be a womanizer. Let it be in the vein as Casanova. A man who was famous as a lover because he loved women and he loved pleasuring them. Not as someone who needs to mark notches on his bed posts.

That is so very true! Which is the point I have been trying to make, and to what I think was the genesis of Vesper's question to him during the train scene. Hence I choose "worthwhile pursuit" as the correct answer.

Oh, and pretty funny on the Hugh Hefner comment

[PrinceKamalKhan]

I like your thinking. Personally, I think that Solange does count though I would have liked to see Valenka bond with Bond too. As for OHMSS, I kinda do agree, but I was kinda disappointed the womanizing was put to such a high degree in that one. Somehow I just thought it wasn't the right movie for it, but oh well.

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service the novel his only female conquest at Piz Gloria is Ruby but I guess the filmmakers felt they had to make him more like Connery.

One can't understand the magic of a Bimbo, unless you've bed one.

I'm telling you... Plenty O'Toole was the best Bond girl in DAF, by miles, she should have had the main woman role.

I thought that when I first saw DAF as a kid on TV. Mainly because I disliked Tiffany's haircut and I've generally preferred Bond girls with long tresses(Naomi, Solitaire, Magda, Fiona, etc.). However, after repeated viewings, I came to really enjoy Jill St. John's funny and underrated performance in that one and now she's my favorite DAF girl.

[darkpath]

If we are going to have Bond be a womanizer. Let it be in the vein as Casanova. A man who was famous as a lover because he loved women and he loved pleasuring them. Not as someone who needs to mark notches on his bed posts.

I concur heartily. Anything else makes Bond look like he should be on a psychiatrist's couch rather than serving in MI6/SIS.

[DaveBond21]

another Campbell-Bond tradition: only beds one girl

Good point! Doubt that Bond and Caroline ever made it as far as a bed in GOLDENEYE

Well, it never matters where it happened, Caroline is a Bond conquest, and so he beds two women in Goldeneye.

[dodge]

Don't mind a womanizing Bond. But I could certainly live without Bond portrayed as a letch or a lubricious 15 year old boy who has to 'get some.' It's one of the reasons I'm not keen on Connery as Bond. The entire portrayal looked like something which might have been created by Hugh Heffner.


If we are going to have Bond be a womanizer. Let it be in the vein as Casanova. A man who was famous as a lover because he loved women and he loved pleasuring them. Not as someone who needs to mark notches on his bed posts.

Ditto. And this is one of the points that needs to be worked out thoughtfully in the Craig Bond films to come. He's been betrayed in CR and, yes, he will lose Tracey. BUT: Moore, in his Bond films, clearly relished the company of women. Laz certainly did in that mountain retreat. In fact, of the screen Bonds so far, Connery was the only real sexual predator--and even he had his more tender moments. Craig's Bond can't recover too quickly. But it would be wrong to transform him into a glum sexual avenger. Let's lighten up a little bit and give the man a break in bed.

[Mister Asterix]

Well, he did seduce Solange as well. Maybe not a conquest... but definitely womanizing.

[mra]It was there for the taking, but one supposes a proper conquest isn

[dodge]

I like your thinking. Personally, I think that Solange does count though I would have liked to see Valenka bond with Bond too. As for OHMSS, I kinda do agree, but I was kinda disappointed the womanizing was put to such a high degree in that one. Somehow I just thought it wasn't the right movie for it, but oh well.

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service the novel his only female conquest at Piz Gloria is Ruby but I guess the filmmakers felt they had to make him more like Connery.

One can't understand the magic of a Bimbo, unless you've bed one.

I'm telling you... Plenty O'Toole was the best Bond girl in DAF, by miles, she should have had the main woman role.

I thought that when I first saw DAF as a kid on TV. Mainly because I disliked Tiffany's haircut and I've generally preferred Bond girls with long tresses(Naomi, Solitaire, Magda, Fiona, etc.). However, after repeated viewings, I came to really enjoy Jill St. John's funny and underrated performance in that one and now she's my favorite DAF girl.

I wish I could agree. But wow. I thought she was runny and under-fated: I wish she, not Plenty, had ended in the pool. But in fairness to Jill, who's no dummy, her lines sounded as if they'd been written for Frank Sinatra. Gorgeous brainy lady and at her best a fine actress.

[witgob]

An earlier post suggests Bond needed to gain confidence by seducing Solange. I don't think confidence was ever his problem.
Judging by remarks about Bond's early life, he probably became aware of his (I hesitated to use the word) power pretty early on.
In the script, he did bed Solange, and they didn't stop to get fully undressed.

[Publius]

But on a serious note: Solange says: '... I am also afraid that you WOULD sleep with me in order to get to him..'
IF something had happened - wouldn't she have said: you HAVE slept with me....???

Possible, but it makes just as much sense if she had already slept with him. She'd just be speaking about his intentions going into it. Then there's the fact her English ain't the best.

As for seducing Solange to gain confidence, I don't buy it. Bond is already an established womanizer, and I think his use of Solange is meant to show both that and his anything-goes approach when it comes to the mission.

And not only is DAF indisputably a one-woman Bond movie, TLD and GE are also arguable. Even with TSWLM, we only see Moore's Bond post-coitus in the PTS, and the rest is all about Anya.

[JCRendle]

If we are going to have Bond be a womanizer. Let it be in the vein as Casanova. A man who was famous as a lover because he loved women and he loved pleasuring them. Not as someone who needs to mark notches on his bed posts.