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[simone007]

Yet another nail in the boycott coffin =). What's amazing about the film is, it has no big names in it and it still made 490 million.

Well as we all know, names is for tombstones, baby.

It looks like CR will hit $100 million in the UK alone

Those boycotters must feel completely stupid now. I wonder how many jumped ship and actually went to see CR? LOL!

and for any movie earning 100 million in the UK alone is in excellent shape to pass the 1/2 billion mark worldwide.

It's silly how American box office watchers ignore world wide box office sales when in fact, it SAVES many movies and recoup production and marketing costs that american box office receipts can't do alone.

Hurray for Daniel!

[Double-0-Seven]

......i know i've posted a few BO reports today, but i keep
finding good news for CR.

here is an extract from a report from the HollywoodReporter
posted today for the overseas market.

Tied for fourth place for the weekend are Sony Pictures Releasing International's "Casino Royale" and Universal International's "The Holiday," with estimates of $16 million apiece. The 21st installment in the James Bond series played 5,300 screens in 61 territories, while "Holiday" played 3,400 sites in 40 markets.

"Casino" scored a muscular $2.8 million in each of two key holdover markets, the U.K. and Germany, lifting its totals in these territories to $95 million and $43.3 million, respectively. The total international cume for the Agent 007 actioner stands at $338 million, compared with a domestic total of $155 million. Sony expects the film to pass the $500 million worldwide gross mark today.

Sony also said that "Casino" is now its fourth-biggest hit internationally after "The Da Vinci Code" and the two "Spider-Man" movies, and that its overseas cume qualifies the Bond film as the 35th-biggest hit all time internationally, passing the original "Star Wars" ($337 million).

Even more awesome news!

[Mr_Clark]

Yet another nail in the boycott coffin =). What's amazing about the film is, it has no big names in it and it still made 490 million.

Well as we all know, names is for tombstones, baby.

It looks like CR will hit $100 million in the UK alone

Those boycotters must feel completely stupid now. I wonder how many jumped ship and actually went to see CR? LOL!

and for any movie earning 100 million in the UK alone is in excellent shape to pass the 1/2 billion mark worldwide.

It's silly how American box office watchers ignore world wide box office sales when in fact, it SAVES many movies and recoup production and marketing costs that american box office receipts can't do alone.

Hurray for Daniel!

I'm an American, however I don't pay attention to the US Box office. Because what's really important is the world wide box office, especially when you take into consideration the fact that the film is still being released in other countries, this rule also applies towards other films as well.

[Qwerty]

It looks like CR will hit $100 million in the UK alone

The final predicted gross for Casino Royale in the UK was around $98 million I believe.

[ek5a]

Correct me if I'm wrong, CR is all set then to overtake POTC:DMC in UK?

[DLibrasnow]

Doubtful. Unless it has Orlando Bloom, Johnny Depp, Hillary Duff, and Paris Hilton in it, I don't see a Bond taking in $1 billion for quite awhile.

Inflation adjusted a Bond movie already has come close - Thunderball was over $800 million four years ago so its probably touching on $1 billion now.

[dinovelvet]

Correct me if I'm wrong, CR is all set then to overtake POTC:DMC in UK?

Yes - POTC made 98,668,102, CR will overtake that any day now.

[Tiin007]

Doubtful. Unless it has Orlando Bloom, Johnny Depp, Hillary Duff, and Paris Hilton in it, I don't see a Bond taking in $1 billion for quite awhile.

Inflation adjusted a Bond movie already has come close - Thunderball was over $800 million four years ago so its probably touching on $1 billion now.

$919.897 million to be precise.

[Krazy Brit]

For those interested in comparing the box office success of various Bonds adjusted for inflation, here are the U.S.A average ticket prices over the years. Analysing DAD's US Box office in 2002 we divide 160 million by 5.81 = 27,538,720 sweaty bums.

In terms of U.S box office inflation adjusted figures, CR will need to exceed $181,204,777 in order to beat DAD.

2007 Est.$6.58
2005 $6.40
2004 $6.21
2003 $6.03
2002 $5.81
2001 $5.66
2000 $5.39
1999 $5.08
1998 $4.69
1997 $4.59
1996 $4.42
1995 $4.35
1994 $4.18
1993 $4.14
1992 $4.15
1991 $4.21
1990 $4.23
1989 $3.97
1988 $4.11
1987 $3.91
1986 $3.71
1985 $3.55
1984 $3.36
1983 $3.15
1982 $2.94
1981 $2.78
1980 $2.69
1979 $2.51
1978 $2.34
1977 $2.23
1976 $2.13
1975 $2.05
1974 $1.87
1973 $1.77
1972 $1.70
1971 $1.65
1970 $1.55
1969 $1.42
1968 $1.31
1967 $1.20
1966 $1.09
1965 $1.01
1964 $0.93
1963 $0.85
1962 $0.70
1961 $0.69

(Source: Mox Office Mojo)

If anyone is interested, perhaps they could compute the "bums in seats" for the highest grossing Connery and Moore installments in the series for ranking purposes?

[HildebrandRarity]

Doubtful. Unless it has Orlando Bloom, Johnny Depp, Hillary Duff, and Paris Hilton in it, I don't see a Bond taking in $1 billion for quite awhile.

Inflation adjusted a Bond movie already has come close - Thunderball was over $800 million four years ago so its probably touching on $1 billion now.

$919.897 million to be precise.

The mighty Thunderball is still making money for Barbara and Michael via the UE releases and through television royalties around the world.

I saw it at a friends place on a very high quality big screen tv the other night and it looked amazing.

[dodge]

I'm thrilled with the take so far and maybe we're lucky as fans that CR will peak at about a half-billion. Look what happened to Cameron after The Titanic--hasn't made a commercial film since. What we have is a resounding, but not paralyzing, success. And we should still have a crew that's hungry to do better still, not just look after the loot.

[K1Bond007]

$919.897 million to be precise.

Dollars to dollars. But fans in the stands, it's over a billion. 166 million at the current average ticket price is over 1 billion. Even BOM calculates Thunderball's US take as being at 492 million and that figure is only 45% of the worldwide gross.

[HildebrandRarity]

For those interested in comparing the box office success of various Bonds adjusted for inflation, here are the U.S.A average ticket prices over the years. Analysing DAD's US Box office in 2002 we divide 160 million by 5.81 = 27,538,720 sweaty bums.

In terms of U.S box office inflation adjusted figures, CR will need to exceed $181,204,777 in order to beat DAD.

2007 Est.$6.58
2005 $6.40
2004 $6.21
2003 $6.03
2002 $5.81
2001 $5.66
2000 $5.39
1999 $5.08
1998 $4.69
1997 $4.59
1996 $4.42
1995 $4.35
1994 $4.18
1993 $4.14
1992 $4.15
1991 $4.21
1990 $4.23
1989 $3.97
1988 $4.11
1987 $3.91
1986 $3.71
1985 $3.55
1984 $3.36
1983 $3.15
1982 $2.94
1981 $2.78
1980 $2.69
1979 $2.51
1978 $2.34
1977 $2.23
1976 $2.13
1975 $2.05
1974 $1.87
1973 $1.77
1972 $1.70
1971 $1.65
1970 $1.55
1969 $1.42
1968 $1.31
1967 $1.20
1966 $1.09
1965 $1.01
1964 $0.93
1963 $0.85
1962 $0.70
1961 $0.69

(Source: Mox Office Mojo)

If anyone is interested, perhaps they could compute the "bums in seats" for the highest grossing Connery and Moore installments in the series for ranking purposes?

I dont like this methodology. The best measure is the actual number of tickets sold in it's own year.

Happy Feet, for instance, sold a lot of child priced tickets which are much cheaper than adult tickets.

I know Happy Feet should not be compared to any Bond movie but it illustrates the flawed nature of merely dividing up the world wide gross by the ave US ticket price especially considering that ALL of the Bonds grossed the majority of it's box office outside the US dating all the way back to Dr No.

[Publius]

I know Happy Feet should not be compared to any Bond movie but it illustrates the flawed nature of merely dividing up the world wide gross by the ave US ticket price especially considering that ALL of the Bonds grossed the majority of it's box office outside the US dating all the way back to Dr No.

I agree. Yet it works. Multiply any Bond movie's admissions by the average ticket price of its release year as listed by Box Office Mojo, and you get almost the same figure as the actual gross.

Correcting for inflation may be an imperfect science given the numerous ways to adjust, but it's still strictly better than going by nominal figures, as the latter is dependent on two variables (ticket price and ticket sales), while the former at least comes close to controlling for one (ticket price) to make comparisons even remotely worthwhile.

Still, I would agree that going by admissions is better than adjusting for inflation, since it cuts to the chase of focusing on ticket sales without any of the alternative's variability. Ticket prices would probably only be an issue if they were far out of step of general inflation or if they constituted a large portion of people's disposable money.

[HildebrandRarity]

I know Happy Feet should not be compared to any Bond movie but it illustrates the flawed nature of merely dividing up the world wide gross by the ave US ticket price especially considering that ALL of the Bonds grossed the majority of it's box office outside the US dating all the way back to Dr No.

I agree. Yet it works. Multiply any Bond movie's admissions by the average ticket price of its release year as listed by Box Office Mojo, and you get almost the same figure as the actual gross.

Correcting for inflation may be an imperfect science given the numerous ways to adjust, but it's still strictly better than going by nominal figures, as the latter is dependent on two variables (ticket price and ticket sales), while the former at least comes close to controlling for one (ticket price) to make comparisons even remotely worthwhile.

Still, I would agree that going by admissions is better than adjusting for inflation, since it cuts to the chase of focusing on ticket sales without any of the alternative's variability. Ticket prices would probably only be an issue if they were far out of step of general inflation or if they constituted a large portion of people's disposable money.

Good points, Publius.

I'm always weary, however, of comparing one Bond era's (say the Golden Era of the most popular Connery adventures) numbers with another era's 25 years on (Dalton's with LTK being the nadir) or 40 years on (with Pierce's 4th and final costing more to make than the first 10...but certainly not generating even remotly as much as the first 10).

It's like comparing American Motors Corp (which was in the Dow Jones 30 Industrials in 1965) to Microsoft Corporation (currently in the Dow Jones 30). The former no longer exists eventhough it was a promotional partner in THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN and went under an eon ago while the later didnt even come into existance until after the Moore era was over.

All you can do is see where that Bond movie ranked world-wide that year. Thunderball, I believe, was second to the all time family classic The Sound Of Music...Casino Royale is fourth behind some over-rated like da Vinci and Pirates.

C'est la vie.

[English Agent]

BO update

After the weekends estimates, these are the actual figures
calculated, see link below.

The UK figure of around $95,000,0000 is outstanding.
Strong possibility of reaching the magic ton.

http://www.boxoffice...jamesbond21.htm

[Tiin007]

BO update

After the weekends estimates, these are the actual figures
calculated, see link below.

The UK figure of around $95,000,0000 is outstanding.
Strong possibility of reaching the magic ton.

http://www.boxoffice...jamesbond21.htm

[Publius]

Good points, Publius.

I'm always weary, however, of comparing one Bond era's (say the Golden Era of the most popular Connery adventures) numbers with another era's 25 years on (Dalton's with LTK being the nadir) or 40 years on (with Pierce's 4th and final costing more to make than the first 10...but certainly not generating even remotly as much as the first 10).

It's like comparing American Motors Corp (which was in the Dow Jones 30 Industrials in 1965) to Microsoft Corporation (currently in the Dow Jones 30). The former no longer exists eventhough it was a promotional partner in THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN and went under an eon ago while the later didnt even come into existance until after the Moore era was over.

All you can do is see where that Bond movie ranked world-wide that year. Thunderball, I believe, was second to the all time family classic The Sound Of Music...Casino Royale is fourth behind some over-rated like da Vinci and Pirates.

C'est la vie.

Ah, I overlooked that point, and well said. In this regard, I'd say the availability and quality of the home video market over the years is probably the biggest obstacle to worthwhile comparisons between the Bond movies, even outweighing inflation and population growth, and yet there are still numerous other factors to consider.

I think the only safe conclusion to be drawn is that half a billion dollars won't be anything to sneeze at for many a decade, so kudos to CR!

[HildebrandRarity]

I think the only safe conclusion to be drawn is that half a billion dollars won't be anything to sneeze at for many a decade

Damn right, Publius! ;-)

Half a billion dollas AND critical acclaim...when do you see that in movies these days?

Revenge Of The Sith had pretty decent reviews but was not as critically acclimed as CR.

The three Lord Of The Ring movies?

Gladiator had lots of acclaim and about $450 mil worldwide in 2000.

Rare company, i'd say. Add to that that you won't get another Star Wars or LORT or Gladiator II and we've got the best of all worlds.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 03 January 2007 - 01:48 AM.

[Myrddin]

Now Casino Royale is 47 in worldwide box office of everytime!!!

Casino Royale Sony worldwide $491.9
In Usa $154.9 31.5%
Worldwide except Usa $337.0 68.5% 2006

And now we have the film in China and Italy ...

[ek5a]

Another way to see it would be to imagine yourself on a quiz show - say...Who wants to be a Millionaire.

And the the million dollar question is "what's the highest grossing Bond movie ever?"

The answers are Casino Royale, Goldfinger, Die Another Day and Thunderball.

Are you going to ask "Uh..inflation adjusted?"

[JackWade]

Doubtful. Unless it has Orlando Bloom, Johnny Depp, Hillary Duff, and Paris Hilton in it, I don't see a Bond taking in $1 billion for quite awhile.

Inflation adjusted a Bond movie already has come close - Thunderball was over $800 million four years ago so its probably touching on $1 billion now.

Yes, I'm aware. But unadjusted, it's not going to happen for a LONG time.