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[Qwerty]

Per request.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

I'm going with friend as he was in the book.

[Tiin007]

I donno...something about him made me choose friend. Probably his likeable personality.

[K1Bond007]

I'm torn. I'm a Fleming purist for the most part, but I kind of want to see him turn out to be a super villain, not just a henchman. I'd be fine with ally. It would be a waste if he turned out to be merely another henchman though.

Prior to the film being released (I think - right around then) I stated it'd be neat if he turned out to be the Blofeld of this organization (i.e., the head guy). They really got nothing on him so imagine seeing him cleared in Bond 22 and labeled without much doubt that he's an ally of the service. Bond with his trusting problems now has his doubts, but he goes with it. You can really get into a "Risico" scenario here where Mathis then uses the service to do his work - to put his competitors out of business. Heh. Come on. You gotta admit, that's intriguing. They don't have to wrap that up in Bond 22. I always loved how Fleming set up SPECTRE. Blofeld was #2, Largo was #1, but as we all know Blofeld was the chief. So in Bond 22 Bond goes after the threat behind the threat and he aims for #1 and he takes him out - the Largo-type, but good ol 'Blofeld' gets away. Mathis. This sets up Bond 23.

If I was writer I could probably write a hell of a script for this. I'm probably lucky enough if you guys even understand what I just wrote above.

[sharpshooter]

I voted friend.

Regarding Le Chiffre's line of "Your friend Mathis, is actually my friend Mathis" is just to put doubt into Bond's mind.

M basically states Vesper's reveal has cleared Mathis - but Bond doesnt trust anyone.

I think he will return, and although he will remain an ally of Bond, their relationship will be more interesting.

[JCRendle]

Thanks Qwerty

[Scottlee]

No opinion because I'm just not sure. I need that second viewing.

[DamnCoffee]

He did provide Bond with some very usefull Information, so i chose friend, you never know, it may be revealed that he's as innocent as Vesper is.

[Qwerty]

Thanks Qwerty

No problem.

[Double-0-Seven]

I'm not sure yet. We'll have to wait in see in Bond 22.

[Blonde Bond]

I'm going with the friend option. Although he was suspicious character, when he was interrogating Bond at the hospital. That was just hoax, to fool the audience, that he was really a bad guy. I say it was just usual police business.

Edited by Blonde Bond, 01 January 2007 - 07:10 PM.

[Qwerty]

I nulled my vote as I'm not positive.

[DaveBond21]

I voted "no opinion" because I can't decide, and I think we will have to wait until Bond 22 to find out, which is quite a long wait....

[Monkeyfoahead]

I voted No Opinion. We don't really know if they will implicate him in B22.

[DaveBond21]

I think it's really cool, that it is all up in the air.

[bill007]

"Friend" because, I wouldn't want to see everyone from CR be baddies. If we see him again, I'd like for their uh-hum, relationship, to develope (no, not that way). There has to be someone 007 can at least rely upon in the field, if not fully trust. We shall see.

Well done JCR.

Edited by bill007, 02 January 2007 - 04:44 AM.

[Harmsway]

Hmm. I'm not sure. I'll go with baddie, because I think that's where it'll end up, but he could end up being a good guy.

[DanMan]

Gotta agree with K1Bond007. GG would play the part of uber-villian Mathis to perfection.

[K1Bond007]

Hmm. I'm not sure. I'll go with baddie, because I think that's where it'll end up, but he could end up being a good guy.

I don't think there's any way to know. Right now it's all in the 'gut' and what we may want. I think it's clear they purposefully left it open ended, no doubt so that in the following films we, like Bond, always question his loyalty. That's a good thing too because in other Bond films, Bond never questions anybody's loyalty. He just goes with it. Same for the books and Gardner ran this into the ground. Solid all-around character then at the very end out of left field you find out they're actually bad. Then in true Gardner fashion 15 minutes later they're good again. Gardner, I swear.

[luigi007]

I'd really love him to be the main villain in Bond 22. Giancarlo Giannini is probably the most talented actor in Italy, and I think he could be perfect for the role.
So I hope foe, but I'm afraid he'll turn out to be a friend.

PS sorry for my english

[kaloushilabops]

Foe, Mathis is well connected. He plays it off like he's amusing himself with his prowess on manipulating the local Montenegro police, when he talks about the "tell" during poker to Vesper(why did he do that), when he stands on the balcony of Vesper's room and jokes about the dead men in the trunk. He asks (to me) a strange question to Bond. He says, "why do you think they kept the two of you alive?" Isn't it because Bond and Vesper have the account number and the password. Mr. White needed that information. And Mr. White gets Mathis to give Bond something to drink, insists, to help Bond remember something, the password? Mathis is either being paid or he's interested in the money. I think everyone can be bought at some price. I agree that Mathis did not have Bond's "back."

[Vauxhall]

I've gone for "friend". Think it would be too big a departure from the original novels to transform Mathis, one of Bond's strongest allies, into an enemy at a time when the producers are claiming to be going back to the basics established by Fleming.

[EyesOnly]

I agree with Vauxhall, so I have to go with friend!

[lafemmefantome]

I went with foe, but someone who has "flexible" loyalties depending on the circumstances.

lafemme

[Four Aces]

I went with no opinion. Not enough info from the movie to judge. We'll see what EON has in store for us.

[DaveBond21]

Has it been confirmed that the character is definitely coming back in Bond 22?

I hope so.

[Agent Carter]

I would say friend. I hope that is how the writers keep it. Like the character from the novels. But if he does turn out to be a double agent, I wouldn't care that much.

[Mr.Clark]

I vote friend.

The only reason we suspect him is because:

1) Someone revealed the Tell to Le Chiffre

2) Le Chiffre said that he was dirty.

However, we know that Vesper was turned at some point and Le Chiffre was hardly the most reliable source of information (since he didn't want to compromise his "agent" Vesper, if she'd already been turned).

So we don't know for certain (who really called Vesper when they were having Caviar? Mathis? Or Le Chiffre?), but I'm going with my gut and saying he was actually innocent.

If I'm wrong in 2008, you'll know why they haven't already made me a double oh...

[stamper]

I beg to differ. Upon rewatching the movie, Le chiffre never says he is dirty.

he says "you're friend mathis is actually my friend mathis"

Which is a double entendre, which might just means that the mathis who summoned Vesper by phone is not the real mathis.

Anyone thought of that ???

I say Villers is the mole !

[TheREAL008]

I've gone for "friend". Think it would be too big a departure from the original novels to transform Mathis, one of Bond's strongest allies, into an enemy at a time when the producers are claiming to be going back to the basics established by Fleming.

HOWEVER Benson did muck about with the formula with Draco being an enemy in Never Dream Of Dying. Don't rule anything out.

However as for my vote. I'm going to go with friend. I think somewhere along the lines in 22 Mathis does in fact earn Bond's trust and proves to be a useful ally at the same time.