Poll on the involvement of Mathis in 'Casino Royale'
Posted 31 December 2006 - 07:18 AM
Posted 31 December 2006 - 07:42 AM
Prior to the film being released (I think - right around then) I stated it'd be neat if he turned out to be the Blofeld of this organization (i.e., the head guy). They really got nothing on him so imagine seeing him cleared in Bond 22 and labeled without much doubt that he's an ally of the service. Bond with his trusting problems now has his doubts, but he goes with it. You can really get into a "Risico" scenario here where Mathis then uses the service to do his work - to put his competitors out of business. Heh. Come on. You gotta admit, that's intriguing. They don't have to wrap that up in Bond 22. I always loved how Fleming set up SPECTRE. Blofeld was #2, Largo was #1, but as we all know Blofeld was the chief. So in Bond 22 Bond goes after the threat behind the threat and he aims for #1 and he takes him out - the Largo-type, but good ol 'Blofeld' gets away. Mathis. This sets up Bond 23.
If I was writer I could probably write a hell of a script for this. I'm probably lucky enough if you guys even understand what I just wrote above.
Posted 31 December 2006 - 08:31 AM
Regarding Le Chiffre's line of "Your friend Mathis, is actually my friend Mathis" is just to put doubt into Bond's mind.
M basically states Vesper's reveal has cleared Mathis - but Bond doesnt trust anyone.
I think he will return, and although he will remain an ally of Bond, their relationship will be more interesting.
Posted 31 December 2006 - 12:39 PM
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Edited by Blonde Bond, 01 January 2007 - 07:10 PM.
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 04:43 AM
Well done JCR.
Edited by bill007, 02 January 2007 - 04:44 AM.
Posted 02 January 2007 - 04:45 AM
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 06:13 AM
Hmm. I'm not sure. I'll go with baddie, because I think that's where it'll end up, but he could end up being a good guy.
I don't think there's any way to know. Right now it's all in the 'gut' and what we may want. I think it's clear they purposefully left it open ended, no doubt so that in the following films we, like Bond, always question his loyalty. That's a good thing too because in other Bond films, Bond never questions anybody's loyalty. He just goes with it. Same for the books and Gardner ran this into the ground. Solid all-around character then at the very end out of left field you find out they're actually bad. Then in true Gardner fashion 15 minutes later they're good again. Gardner, I swear.
Posted 10 January 2007 - 01:23 PM
So I hope foe, but I'm afraid he'll turn out to be a friend.
PS sorry for my english
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:01 AM
I hope so.
Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:25 AM
Posted 10 March 2007 - 10:53 PM
The only reason we suspect him is because:
1) Someone revealed the Tell to Le Chiffre
2) Le Chiffre said that he was dirty.
However, we know that Vesper was turned at some point and Le Chiffre was hardly the most reliable source of information (since he didn't want to compromise his "agent" Vesper, if she'd already been turned).
So we don't know for certain (who really called Vesper when they were having Caviar? Mathis? Or Le Chiffre?), but I'm going with my gut and saying he was actually innocent.
If I'm wrong in 2008, you'll know why they haven't already made me a double oh...
Posted 24 March 2007 - 02:09 PM
he says "you're friend mathis is actually my friend mathis"
Which is a double entendre, which might just means that the mathis who summoned Vesper by phone is not the real mathis.
Anyone thought of that ???
I say Villers is the mole !
Posted 24 March 2007 - 06:45 PM
I've gone for "friend". Think it would be too big a departure from the original novels to transform Mathis, one of Bond's strongest allies, into an enemy at a time when the producers are claiming to be going back to the basics established by Fleming.
HOWEVER Benson did muck about with the formula with Draco being an enemy in Never Dream Of Dying. Don't rule anything out.
However as for my vote. I'm going to go with friend. I think somewhere along the lines in 22 Mathis does in fact earn Bond's trust and proves to be a useful ally at the same time.