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[supernova]

Clever, intelligent, discerning Vesper is so smitten by her Algerian lover that she will unhesitatingly betray her country and her friends. So what kind of man is the boyfriend going to be? For me the man is going to have to be really something to make me believe that Vesper would behave in the way she did because of him. Please don't just make up numbers and put a Dimitros type in the role of Vesper's boyfriend! We got to be persuaded EON!

[PrinceKamalKhan]

But doesn't Vesper only become a traitor because she thinks Mr. White's Organization will kill him, like in the book where she becomes a double agent because she thinks the Soviets will kill her RAF pilot boyfriend? It may have been out of compassion more than love.

[supernova]

But doesn't Vesper only become a traitor because she thinks Mr. White's Organization will kill him, like in the book where she becomes a double agent because she thinks the Soviets will kill her RAF pilot boyfriend? It may have been out of compassion more than love.

Well there's compassion and compassion. After all she was working for the Ministry, so one would assume loyalty would be an essential part of her being. Supporting her boyfriend by trying to save his life, clever, discerning Vesper would definitely realise how many other lives she would be putting at risk. She herself reminds Bond that if he loses at the Casino, '... our Government will be financing terrorism'.

In CR she is potrayed as a powerful, determined woman with an incisive intellect - so how can we be expected to believe that all of a sudden she is a vacuous, dumb bimbo who risked everything for just an ordinary guy! My point is that the guy needs to be something really special to believe that Vesper would sacrifice everything else that is important in her life - for him.

[Four Aces]

... so how can we be expected to believe that all of a sudden she is a vacuous, dumb bimbo who risked everything for just an ordinary guy!...

Because she is human, and therefore has human weaknesses.

As for the boyfriend, who cares? Hopefully he's dead, him and the stupid love knot thing

4A

[supernova]

In the same way alot of thought was put into finding the right woman to play Vesper to ensure we would believe that her connection with Bond would radically change his life, it seems important to be persuaded that Vesper's boyfriend could inspire her with such a degree of loyalty that she would be lie, cheat and commit treason to save his life.

From what I understand the boyfriend is going to be an integral part of Bond 22 - so his story seems to be just starting!

[HildebrandRarity]

it seems important to be persuaded that Vesper's boyfriend could inspire her with such a degree of loyalty that she would be lie, cheat and commit treason to save his life.

From what I understand the boyfriend is going to be an integral part of Bond 22 - so his story seems to be just starting!

I dont think Vesper's boyfriend will have anything to do with Bond 22 which I expect to about "The Threat Behind The Threat" and I believe the producer's will make the movie as stand alone as they have always done and only develope Daniel Craig's James Bond character arc.

So I think you're reading too much into something that isn't.

[Pam Bouvier]

... so how can we be expected to believe that all of a sudden she is a vacuous, dumb bimbo who risked everything for just an ordinary guy!...

Because she is human, and therefore has human weaknesses.

As for the boyfriend, who cares? Hopefully he's dead, him and the stupid love knot thing

4A

And 4A, I had you pegged as a romantic !
Do have to agree with you, to a point: As much of a romantic as I am, the fact is, no man is worth betraying your country. Period. You go to MI6, the CIA...whatever and let them deal with it.
That said, I also think, if the ex is revealed, he should be someone women will believe Vesper would risk all for.
The real twist could be that he was conning her and was part of the ememy team all along! Otherwise, why would he still be alive??

[tdalton]

... so how can we be expected to believe that all of a sudden she is a vacuous, dumb bimbo who risked everything for just an ordinary guy!...

Because she is human, and therefore has human weaknesses.

As for the boyfriend, who cares? Hopefully he's dead, him and the stupid love knot thing

4A

And 4A, I had you pegged as a romantic !
Do have to agree with you, to a point: As much of a romantic as I am, the fact is, no man is worth betraying your country. Period. You go to MI6, the CIA...whatever and let them deal with it.
That said, I also think, if the ex is revealed, he should be someone women will believe Vesper would risk all for.
The real twist could be that he was conning her and was part of the ememy team all along! Otherwise, why would he still be alive??

Now that would be a great twist. I think that having him be a part of the organization all along would set up the potential for Fleming's YOLT storyline very, very well.

[supernova]

I can't imagine the screen writers not using Vesper's boyfriend in Bond 22's plot development as the possibilities are just too intriguing and irrestible - we will be witnessing Bond meeting his romantic rival! Wow!

I rather hope we find out more negative things about Vesper - that she was in deeper than first believed - because as it stands Bond's memories of her are too sentimental - he's not mad and embittered enough.

[Scottlee]

I'm really not that bothered if they have Vesper's boyfriend in the next Bond movie. It just seems like something they could cock up a lot easier than they could make work. I also detest this idea of Vesper coming back on a video tape, although I think that rumour might already have been quashed.

[Four Aces]

... so how can we be expected to believe that all of a sudden she is a vacuous, dumb bimbo who risked everything for just an ordinary guy!...

Because she is human, and therefore has human weaknesses.

As for the boyfriend, who cares? Hopefully he's dead, him and the stupid love knot thing

4A

And 4A, I had you pegged as a romantic !
Do have to agree with you, to a point: As much of a romantic as I am, the fact is, no man is worth betraying your country. Period. You go to MI6, the CIA...whatever and let them deal with it.
That said, I also think, if the ex is revealed, he should be someone women will believe Vesper would risk all for.
The real twist could be that he was conning her and was part of the ememy team all along! Otherwise, why would he still be alive??

Well this part of the plot didn't really make sense to me. If she was doing this betrayal for her beloved boyfriend, then why did she so readily drop panties for Bond?

[Nimsworth]

Well this part of the plot didn't really make sense to me. If she was doing this betrayal for her beloved boyfriend, then why did she so readily drop panties for Bond?

1. Cause he's her type (Not single)
2. He's James Bond

[Four Aces]

Well this part of the plot didn't really make sense to me. If she was doing this betrayal for her beloved boyfriend, then why did she so readily drop panties for Bond?

1. Cause he's her type (Not single)
2. He's James Bond

1. Actually, she is single.
2. Ah! That would explain it

[Cro Cop]

I personally like the idea of Vesper's boyfriend being a mirror image of Bond. What I have gotten out of the situation is that the boyfriend is somehow a part of the organization, and was using his girlfriend.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Leave Vesper

[Scottlee]

I personally like the idea of Vesper's boyfriend being a mirror image of Bond.

Oh god no! Welcome to the forums, let me say that first. As for the idea though, ugh. How many times have we had to watch a villain taunting a hero by saying "You and me, we're the saaaaaame!"

[Judo chop]

I personally like the idea of Vesper's boyfriend being a mirror image of Bond.

Oh god no! Welcome to the forums, let me say that first. As for the idea though, ugh. How many times have we had to watch a villain taunting a hero by saying "You and me, we're the saaaaaame!"

Well, I understand your concern, but I think this would be a vastly different case than the usual "you and I are not so unalike, Mr. Bond" cliche. A vilian saying that is akin to saying "we are both men of action". Or "we both do what needs to be done, even if it means killing". The common thread in that relationship is the single mindedness to what they percive are their duties.

However, this would be a relationship whose common thread is love for the same woman. I'd be curious to see Bond meet up with Vesper's ex for THIS reason, though I agree, not for the previous reason.

[Dr.Mirakle32]

If somone is gonna play him, it's gotta be Oded Fehr.

[RazorBlade]

Let's see when was the last time I heard a villain say "We're the same" and buy it? BLUE VELVET when Dennis Hopper was huffing NOX and whispering, "You're just like me!" to Kyle McLaughlin.

As for Vesper's boyfriend, either he couldn't match up to JB, and who could?, or he's dead. I figure dead becasue Vesper was in contact with the org and since she failed to help Le Chiffre win the money I reckon they (the org) whacked him (the boyfriend who couldn't measure up to Bond anyway). That's what I think.

And as my favorite film maker David Lynch says, "It's a beautiful thing."

[DaveBond21]

Maybe he will appear and be killed in the PTS?

[Vauxhall]

Maybe he will appear and be killed in the PTS?

Possible, but I think it would be more effective to keep him alive for a large portion of the movie (or indeed, not track him down until later in the film), as it would provide Bond with memories of Vesper throughout. Killing him early on would arguably be a significant step in putting his demons to rest.

I'd quite like to see Alexander Siddig feature as her boyfriend - he's a phenomenal actor, but possibly a bit old for the role.