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[bill007]

(This may be re-directed to SPOILERS, but....)

When 007 is 'caught' in M's residence (London flat due to elevator?), as the head of MI6, wouldn't this place her in a compromised position?

I mean, would you want a rookie double-OO knowing where YOU lived? Would she simply relocate? Or, could this come into play with Bond22? Or, am I reaching too deep into the 'what if' cookie jar?

[Mr Woodpigeon]

Lots of goodies at the bottom of the What If Cookie Jar. It could come in handy in the future with Bond knowing where she lives. Never know, she may be in trouble one day

[Monkeyfoahead]

I like the what if cookie jar. So many good memories. Too bad they took the cookie jar.

[bill007]

No they didn't Monkeyfoahead. It's right over there, next to the expresso machine.

Edited by bill007, 02 December 2006 - 06:46 AM.

[Monkeyfoahead]

Oh, good. Finally my cookie dreams can be fufilled, BTW, nothing can compromise M's House, it probably has top-noch security and heavily armed guards

[bill007]

Bollocks! A rookie double-00 got in there.

[Monkeyfoahead]

Maybe he told them that M wanted him there, and showed proper credentials. He must have contacts, how else would he know her name, username, and password to the MI6 secure website?

[bill007]

Double-Bollocks, dude. You don't see your boss at home without an invitation. Flat rule (pun). It would take M's word to get in there.

It's like that other thread I saw, "Why did Bond go up to Le Chiffre's hotel room?" It is just an idio-synchrousy in the film. lol.

[K1Bond007]

Maybe he told them that M wanted him there, and showed proper credentials. He must have contacts, how else would he know her name, username, and password to the MI6 secure website?

Considering nobody knows her name, I'm sure she's able to live an anonymous life to a certain extent so I don't think he had to show credentials to do .. whatever. He just had to know her name. Knowing the username and password.. that's the trick. I think that was just a good ol fashioned Bondian joke. As a 00 he probably has his own account which he could have used to get the same information. I would think. But in any case it turns into a joke.. "well how the hell does he know these things" -- you can't tell me you didn't smirk, chuckle or laugh at that scene.

It's like that other thread I saw, "Why did Bond go up to Le Chiffre's hotel room?" It is just an idio-synchrousy in the film. lol.

To spy. He had a listening device. He wanted to be close. There's not a whole lot to it. Curiosity, perhaps.

[swaz]

Come on Bond is not the average rookie!

[bill007]

swaz- You're absolutley right. 007 is not average, by far. But, my point is, none-the-less, if you were a 00-Minister, and an agent broke into your residence, would you feel safe staying there?

[K1Bond007]

swaz- You're absolutley right. 007 is not average, by far. But, my point is, none-the-less, if you were a 00-Minister, and an agent broke into your residence, would you feel safe staying there?

Depends if it's 007 or 006. Am I right?

[bill007]

006 or 009. It makes no bloody difference. A Double-00 broke into THE MI6 top-dog house. He is now wondering about the globe with this in his knowledge.

Now suppose, in a different tract, 007 got captured. "Where is your leader?" BOOM!!! "She lives at #606 Hyde Park Avenue."

Of course, I forgot. Even a bollocks whippin' coulnd't get 007 to reveal anythang. My bad.

Edited by bill007, 02 December 2006 - 07:40 AM.

[Blonde Bond]

I mean, would you want a rookie double-OO knowing where YOU lived? Would she simply relocate? Or, could this come into play with Bond22? Or, am I reaching too deep into the 'what if' cookie jar?

Well, now she knows, that he knows, where she lives. If she ever needed him, she could just inform 007 to get to her apartment for some good mushu. You know, in Bond 22, James Bond will have an affair with M.

[bill007]

I mean, would you want a rookie double-OO knowing where YOU lived? Would she simply relocate? Or, could this come into play with Bond22? Or, am I reaching too deep into the 'what if' cookie jar?

Well, now she knows, that he knows, where she lives. If she ever needed him, she could just inform 007 to get to her apartment for some good mushu. You know, in Bond 22, James Bond will have an affair with M.

LMAO! I could just see the text message on Bond's Sony Erricson phone..."For James. Booty call. M."

[Blofeld's Cat]

Oh, good. Finally my cookie dreams can be fufilled, BTW, nothing can compromise M's House, it probably has top-noch security and heavily armed guards

Have not seen the movie yet, but do you see such security on the screen. Unless the guy she's in bed with IS the security.

Bollocks! A rookie double-00 got in there.

But, but, but, he's James Bond.

[bill007]

Touche' Bloefeld's CAt. Touche'. And I'm gonna love watching this rookie Bond mature over the next few films. IMHO, Craig's series is going to have a long-lasting impact for the franchise.

[Loomis]

Really, this is a very silly scene. It's the only part of CASINO ROYALE I have an issue with. It's where the film, as I believe the expression goes, "jumps the shark".

Even if you accept, as I do not, that M's residence would not necessarily be a pretty tall order to access, M would surely go ballistic over the fact that her home had been invaded by a relatively untested and unknown new Double-O who's in her bad books anyway!!!!!!!! He breaks into embassies and massacres people at the drop of a hat, and now he's broken into her flat - what, precisely, would it take for alarm bells to start ringing in M's head about this guy? What if he'd planned to kidnap or kill her? But M doesn't even mention the fact that he's broken into her place until quite some way into the conversation - it's as though she's only just noticed what he's done! (And it's a lazy cheat that the filmmakers don't even bother to tell us how he did it - I guess we're just supposed to accept it because, hey, he's James Bond, but bear in mind that this is just a short while into what is supposed to a BOND BEGINS origin story.)

Also, why does this scene have to be at M's home in order to work? Why doesn't Bond just confront her in her office - he could break in there, and it'd seem more believable, since it'd be easy to accept that he'd be au fait with the building anyway. Or, heck, why not just have a regular meeting with her there? Not every scene in the film has to showcase Bond's maverick ingenuity, surely? As it stands, though, it's a sticking-out-like-a-sore-thumb scene that tears even the most basic credibility to shreds, every bit as much as, say, the glacier surfing CGI rot in DAD, and it's a shame because most of the other things in CR are so superb.

[bill007]

Point well made, Loomis.

[napier007]

I think Bond was intent on keeping a low profile given what happened in Africa, so he couldn't show up at the office; he'd wait until all the fuss blew over. As for breaking into M's place, I don't have a problem with it. I think it worked well. He's been promoted to Double-o status because he's the best of the best, he knows it, and M knows it as well. He's not a loose cannon, he's a known quantity after years in the SAS or SBS or whatever special military branch he came out of, he'd have been thoroughly vetted, psychologically and otherwise, before he got his Double-O status.
He's not a choir boy, he's never going to play by the rules. M knows this; it's why he was selected. He has to operate alone using his wits when he's on assignment. Sure, they could choose choir boys who always play by the rules to be Double-O's, but they won't be as successful.
Simply put, he knows how good he is, and how rare he is, as does M. Despite M breaking his balls, there's no chance of this incident harming his career. Hell, that breaking and entering stunt is pretty much expected from a Double-O.

[Loomis]

Good points there, napier007, and welcome to CBn.

[Monkeyfoahead]

This brings up an interesting point, If Judi Dench's M is named Barbara Maudsley, then what was M's name when it was a guy?

[Major Tallon]

The male M's name was Admiral Sir Miles Messervy.

There's a nice twist on the GoldenEye formula at the end of the M's house scene. In GE, after giving Bond a harsh talking to, Bond is about to leave when M displays a softer personal touch. "And Bond . . . come back alive." Here, we're set up to expect the same thing, only the new M stays in character. "And Bond . . . Don't ever break into my house again." She's telling him she's the boss.

[Monkeyfoahead]

Oh, ok. I thought that they might have just given M a sex change instead of replacing him/her.

[Monkeyfoahead]

I am reading Win Lose Or Die now, and Bond went to M's house again. I don't seem to recall M getting very mad with 007.

[Skudor]

It's a flat/apartment. With normal security. Probably not even an armed guard as it's meant to be secret. Bond somehow found out where she lives and broke in using his uber-Bond skills. Nothing too much to worry about there. Except for M when Bond gets brainwashed into killing her.

[bond_girl_double07]

In the novels and the earlier films, Bond is a frequent guest at Quarterdeck (Sir Miles' residence). He is, though, always invited. I think the problem I had with this scene isn't that he was able to find out where she lived and break in, but that he would be inconsiderate enough to actually do it. It did show off Bond's earlier younger (less polished) side though, but if I were M, he wouldn't have just gotten yelled at.

I have always been surprised in both the novels and the films that M doesn't have more security for his/her private life. For such an important fixture, you'd think he/she would have the equivelent of the secret service to watch out for personal safety.

but then Colonel Sun wouldn't have worked as a novel