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Was Fleming an anti-semite?


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#31 Byron

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 12:58 AM

Hold on hold on, now you are attacking the Turks. Than what about the Indians in South and North America ? Or the slave system in Africa ? The west is responsible from most of the crimes in the world. Stop being imperialistic.

Ah. It's only okay to censure Western culture, then, is that it? There was never an Ottoman Turk Empire, eh? No on ever practiced slavery before the rise of Western culture, you would have us believe? How about human sacrifice, infant sacrifice, cannibalism, skinning people alive, burning them alive, drowning them, stoning them to death, crucifixion, mutilation? Personally, I know of no culture that can hold itself blameless. Including the West.

Well ofcourse we have problems like every other nation has. But the concepts of "capitalism" and "imperialism" are related with the West. I am no enemy of the west, just dont blame the east the Muslim world etc. for some problems. We are all humans lets work for eternal peace.


Yes let's work for peace.

But capitalism and imperialism are related to the West? You mean they're our cousins? On a slighty more serious note, it's a strange idea that seems to be rooted in feeling victimized by the West. How can a culture that won and got everything it wanted, as the Muslim Turks did, feel victimized? Why should Europeans regret fighting back when Ottoman Turks came to invade their lands? The Armenians struggled for their identity for centuries and resisted being absorbed into the Turkish culture. Can you blame them for working with the Russians? May not have been the smartest thing to do or even the most moral but they wanted something for themselves as a people and as individuals that they weren't going to get from the Turks.

While we're at it, let's restore the Hagia Sophia to the Greek Church with apologies for destroying the art work when the Muslims took over.


Excellent post Razorblade. You know your history.

#32 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 01:16 AM

He was not PC but he was a great writer. Just accept the times when you read LALD and enjoy yourself. He's not a role model but a man who provided entertainment...

#33 RazorBlade

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 05:21 AM

Thanks Bryon, I know just enough history to get me in trouble! I would hate it if YOLT thought I was picking on him or "The East" in general but I am serious about returning Hagia Sophia to the Christians. It was a church for centuries and was defiled when the conquoring Turks destroyed the priceless art work inside before turning it into a Mosque. Why do only Christians or Westerners have to say they are sorry for the past? One of the traits that all humans have in common is that we have all screwed up. Admiting it gives you a degree of power over what you have done and gives you the chance to restore the balance.

Right now Turkey is having trouble getting into the EU. Even though I live in the USA and I am only indirectly affected, I still feel that letting Turkey join the EU is a Win-Win sitch for everyone. What a magnamious (sp?) gesture it would be to give Hagia Sophia back to say, the Greek Church, with funds to restore it. Might smooth out a few ruffles and get the workin's goin' again. And Tarl Cabot you are correct-o-mondo, sir.

Edited by RazorBlade, 26 December 2006 - 05:26 AM.