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#1 zencat

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:03 AM

Now that Mr. McClory has passed, how might this effect the Bond franchise? Will Eon bring SPECTRE back? Might the mysterious "organization" from Casino Royale turn out to be SPECTRE? How else might Mr. McClory's passing impact the Bond franchise?

#2 TheSaint

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:05 AM

All interesting questions that, hopefully, will be answered before Bond 22 starts filming.

#3 triviachamp

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:09 AM

I think the big question is: who has McClory's rights? Will they sell them to EON? Can they sell them to EON? Perhaps Kevin inserted a clause in his will saying that whoever sells his rights to EON will lose his inheritance?

EON has not felt confident enough to challenge McClory's claims to Blofeld and SPECTRE and I am not sure if his death will change their minds.

Anyway I am not sure if bringing back SPECTRE is a good idea. Bond has gone past it. Will it be too cliched today? Plus there is now the danger that EON will remake the old Bond movies.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:11 AM

Whether they can use them or not, I'd prefer that SPECTRE and especially Blofeld be left in the past.

#5 JCRendle

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:15 AM

Isn't this thread alittle insensitive so soon after his passing?

#6 PrinceKamalKhan

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:16 AM

Anyway I am not sure if bringing back SPECTRE is a good idea. Bond has gone past it. Will it be too cliched today? Plus there is now the danger that EON will remake the old Bond movies.



EON already has been remaking old Bond movies for some time now-

You Only Live Twice has been remade as The Spy Who Loved Me and Tomorrow Never Dies

Diamonds Are Forever as Die Another Day

Goldfinger as A View to a Kill

The Spy Who Loved Me as Moonraker, etc.

I think bringing SPECTRE back would be a great idea since this is
"Bond Rebooted".

#7 K1Bond007

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:33 AM

I'm gonna have to dig into this. I've always wondered what would happen. If it reverts to anyone would it go to EON Productions who technically owns it too from their initial purchase from Fleming or would it go back to IFP? If it's transferable (which may not be the case) it could go to one of his kids. I would think they would sell, but then again, maybe not - even if they did would EON buy it? They snubbed Casino Royale for years and if they wanted Thunderball bad enough just to get passed all the lawsuits and own it outright you would think they would have offered something to McClory in the past. Maybe they did. I don't know, but they have a lock on pretty much all things James Bond (on screen) and I don't think they'll do it if there is no reason except to avoid any sort of possible future entanglement. EON (i.e., Wilson) already believes that those rights are expired in some regions such as the United States. And then there's always the possibility, which I don't think there is any evidence to suggest, that McClory doesn't even own the rights anymore.

Isn't this thread alittle insensitive so soon after his passing?


No. If you read the news it's been over a week now. At what point is it okay to talk about this considering this is a James Bond forum? I don't see how it's insensitive to talk about it in the first place. It's not like we're dishonoring, bashing him by speaking of what may come of this.

#8 MR. BOND 93

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:38 AM

No more Spectre. Bring on a new organisation!

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:47 AM

McClory probably could have passed the rights on to another party through his will.

Edited by Stax, 30 November 2006 - 05:49 AM.


#10 K1Bond007

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:49 AM

I'm sorry. That was a mean joke. :)


I'm just glad it wasn't me that thought of the joke. :P

#11 Stax

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:49 AM

Yeah, I just went back and deleted it. Bad karma and all. :)

#12 zencat

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 07:36 AM

Isn't this thread alittle insensitive so soon after his passing?

Maybe. But he did pass nine days ago. And why pretend this isn't the first thing that springs to most Bond fans minds? I started this thread so his official passing thread could remain a place for condolences, etc. Sorry if it seems too soon. The mods can delete it if this doesn't seem appropriate.

#13 Blofeld's Cat

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 07:43 AM

Sorry he's dead really.

We fans need another real-life Bond-related villain to dump on now.

#14 K1Bond007

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 07:45 AM

Sorry he's dead really.

We fans need another real-life Bond-related villain to dump on now.


Tamahori, clearly. :) Also sometimes I feel P&W are up there - they kinda bounced back with Casino Royale though.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:06 AM

I feel that EON will try and get the rights (who does own them, always a bit confused over who owns what). Even if they do not intend to use them they will still want to have the control over them.

#16 Vauxhall

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 09:09 AM

I am no expert on the whole EON/McClory rights debacle, or who lays claim to them, but I do know that I wouldn't like to see SPECTRE return in any event. I just think that that particular line of stories has been done to death, and we need a new organisation to pose a threat to Bond's universe in the 21st century. Personally, I would hope that the death of McClory won't have changed too much in the minds of the Bond producers as to the future course of the franchise.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 09:25 AM

Now we will never see "NEVER SAY WARHEAD 2000 AGAIN 3". Shame...

#18 Double-Oh Agent

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 09:31 AM

Now that Mr. McClory has passed, how might this effect the Bond franchise? Will Eon bring SPECTRE back? Might the mysterious "organization" from Casino Royale turn out to be SPECTRE? How else might Mr. McClory's passing impact the Bond franchise?

In the overall scheme of things, I don't think that McClory's death will have all that big an effect on the Bond franchise. I don't think EON is all that interested in reviving Blofeld and SPECTRE. I might be wrong, but I don't see it.

As for me, I don't want to see Blofeld return. He's had his day, I'm afraid (and been parodied to death by Austin Powers). SPECTRE, on the other hand, I'm more ambivalent about its future--even regarding its appearance in Bond 22. My first reaction is to say no to SPECTRE, but I could live with it provided Blofeld doesn't return. Would EON bring SPECTRE back for Bond 22? I think the odds of that happening have gotten better with McClory's death, but I still lean toward the answer being no.

I think the big question is: who has McClory's rights? Will they sell them to EON? Can they sell them to EON? Perhaps Kevin inserted a clause in his will saying that whoever sells his rights to EON will lose his inheritance?

EON has not felt confident enough to challenge McClory's claims to Blofeld and SPECTRE and I am not sure if his death will change their minds.

Anyway I am not sure if bringing back SPECTRE is a good idea. Bond has gone past it. Will it be too cliched today? Plus there is now the danger that EON will remake the old Bond movies.

I agree with you triviachamp about the big question being who holds McClory's rights. My ignorant opinion of the situation would be that McClory's family has his rights provided he passed them on in his will. I don't see why his family couldn't sell his rights if they wanted to and I don't see why they wouldn't sell them to EON--unless McClory was so anti-EON that he ordered them not to.

But in the long run, it makes sense for McClory's family to sell whatever rights they have to EON. McClory's family is unlikely to try to make another Bond film out of the Thunderball scripts and any other production company is unlikely to agree to produce yet another Thunderball remake. After all, if McClory couldn't get a third Thunderball picture made after all these years, why would anyone in the family think they could get one filmed now?

So with that in mind, I don't see why the McClory family wouldn't sell their rights to EON where they can at least get something for them. Otherwise, they might as well be sitting on a stone bench for all the good those rights are doing for them. EON, I'm sure, would be willing to purchase the rights to finally and unequivically resolve the issue--for a reasonable fee*. Such a scenario would give them the entirety of the Bond canon without question or fear of lawsuit. Besides, in the past decade or so, EON has previously obtained the rights to Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again, so why wouldn't they ensure their rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld if given the chance?

* I don't know what a reasonable fee in this case might be. I would reckon $10 million. Even if it's $20 million, EON can certainly afford it. I know if I was in EON's shoes, I would be willing to make such a deal.

#19 Zorin Industries

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 11:50 AM


Now that Mr. McClory has passed, how might this effect the Bond franchise? Will Eon bring SPECTRE back? Might the mysterious "organization" from Casino Royale turn out to be SPECTRE? How else might Mr. McClory's passing impact the Bond franchise?

In the overall scheme of things, I don't think that McClory's death will have all that big an effect on the Bond franchise. I don't think EON is all that interested in reviving Blofeld and SPECTRE. I might be wrong, but I don't see it.

As for me, I don't want to see Blofeld return. He's had his day, I'm afraid (and been parodied to death by Austin Powers). SPECTRE, on the other hand, I'm more ambivalent about its future--even regarding its appearance in Bond 22. My first reaction is to say no to SPECTRE, but I could live with it provided Blofeld doesn't return. Would EON bring SPECTRE back for Bond 22? I think the odds of that happening have gotten better with McClory's death, but I still lean toward the answer being no.

I think the big question is: who has McClory's rights? Will they sell them to EON? Can they sell them to EON? Perhaps Kevin inserted a clause in his will saying that whoever sells his rights to EON will lose his inheritance?

EON has not felt confident enough to challenge McClory's claims to Blofeld and SPECTRE and I am not sure if his death will change their minds.

Anyway I am not sure if bringing back SPECTRE is a good idea. Bond has gone past it. Will it be too cliched today? Plus there is now the danger that EON will remake the old Bond movies.

I agree with you triviachamp about the big question being who holds McClory's rights. My ignorant opinion of the situation would be that McClory's family has his rights provided he passed them on in his will. I don't see why his family couldn't sell his rights if they wanted to and I don't see why they wouldn't sell them to EON--unless McClory was so anti-EON that he ordered them not to.

But in the long run, it makes sense for McClory's family to sell whatever rights they have to EON. McClory's family is unlikely to try to make another Bond film out of the Thunderball scripts and any other production company is unlikely to agree to produce yet another Thunderball remake. After all, if McClory couldn't get a third Thunderball picture made after all these years, why would anyone in the family think they could get one filmed now?

So with that in mind, I don't see why the McClory family wouldn't sell their rights to EON where they can at least get something for them. Otherwise, they might as well be sitting on a stone bench for all the good those rights are doing for them. EON, I'm sure, would be willing to purchase the rights to finally and unequivically resolve the issue--for a reasonable fee*. Such a scenario would give them the entirety of the Bond canon without question or fear of lawsuit. Besides, in the past decade or so, EON has previously obtained the rights to Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again, so why wouldn't they ensure their rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld if given the chance?

* I don't know what a reasonable fee in this case might be. I would reckon $10 million. Even if it's $20 million, EON can certainly afford it. I know if I was in EON's shoes, I would be willing to make such a deal.


Eon have the rights.... They have done for a while....

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 02:16 PM

^^They have the distribution rights to Thunderball. Not the film rights, and therefore not the rights to Blofeld or SPECTRE. A few of us had that debate and did some digging. That's how it stands now. We'll have to see if EON will try to get the rights, and if Kevin's heir will release them for a sum.

#21 marktmurphy

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 02:43 PM

SPECTRE? It's all a bit... 'Dr Evil', isn't it?

No thanks.

#22 DLibrasnow

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 03:34 PM

Isn't this thread alittle insensitive so soon after his passing?



My sentiments exactly.

#23 Mister Asterix

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 03:49 PM


Isn't this thread alittle insensitive so soon after his passing?



My sentiments exactly.



Though not as insensitive as similar threads from before he died speculating his death.

#24 TheREAL008

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:36 PM

I say bring back SPECTRE, but make them more real world and more menacing.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 06:07 PM

^^They have the distribution rights to Thunderball. Not the film rights, and therefore not the rights to Blofeld or SPECTRE. A few of us had that debate and did some digging. That's how it stands now. We'll have to see if EON will try to get the rights, and if Kevin's heir will release them for a sum.



Either way, Kevin McClory really has to resign himself now that he was never let on the Bond party bus for very long and his memory would be better served by his family if they didn't pursue his clutching at 007 straws...

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 07:22 PM

Why not reboot SPECTRE as well, from what has been hinted at for Bond 22, it sounds like they had an organization like SPECTRE in mind already, why not go with a redefined SPECTRE, always in the shadows behind the terrorist groups in the world. Make the leader unseen for a few films, make it a woman with one breast ( Had to throw Blofeld's daughter in there). Anyway what I'm saying is a reworked SPECTRE could be very cool in future films.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:05 PM

My opinion, as I made it more fully here, is that bringing back Blofeld/SPECTRE makes little sense.

We couldn't bring them back in their old, Dr. Evil-esque form. And if we bring them back in a new guise (even one inspired by the Fleming books), why keep the old names? The average person won't make the connection, and most of those who do won't be happy that the connection was made.

#28 The Richmond Spy

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:34 PM

Since they were his rights, we should allow those who knew him best to decide what he would want to do with them. Whatever the result may be.

#29 K1Bond007

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:02 PM

Since they were his rights, we should allow those who knew him best to decide what he would want to do with them. Whatever the result may be.


Well, yeah. No one here is telling anyone what to do. Hell, it's possibly McClory didn't even have the rights anymore. There were deals being made between him and Sony in October 1997. Wouldn't surprise me though it was my belief that whatever transpired eventually reverted back to McClory.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 11:10 PM

Well, yeah. No one here is telling anyone what to do. Hell, it's possibly McClory didn't even have the rights anymore. There were deals being made between him and Sony in October 1997. Wouldn't surprise me though it was my belief that whatever transpired eventually reverted back to McClory.


Well if he didn't have the rights than care to explain the lack of Blofeld in GoldenEye Rogue Agent (I think? Isn't he just no.1?) and SPECTRE from From Russia with Love the game? EON never challenged McClory's claims to Blofeld and SPECTRE so I presume he had some rights.