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[VeteransAbroad]

I really loved this adaption of "Casino Royale" and didn't mind a lot of the unnecessary rewrites like the playing of Texas Hold'em.

I was quasi-OK with the way the screenwriters felt it would be politically incorrect to show how Bond really got his first two kills: sniping a Japanese code breaker through a New York City skyscraper window and then killing a fellow agent from Norway who was also working for the Germans (Bond got his 00 status in World War Two).

It was certainly OK that Bond actually kills bad guys in this adaptation, where, in the novel, he just watches people die around him the entire time.

I am really OK with the depiction of Venice water being so deep that a house can sink into a canal and a man would still get to dive deep into clear swimming pool water to rescue someone (Venice water is dirty and black and would even murkier if plaster had just crumbled into it).

[Editor's note: I am wrong about the following because I've been told that Vesper went to bed after the shower scene and had plenty of dresses with her]

But I like the idea of living the Bond lifestyle of travelling around Europe doing business and bringing along both a suit and a tuxedo. I sometimes bring a woman friend along whom I've bought an evening gown for (next week I will go to Karlovy Vary and Kotek to hang around the locales where the movie was shot and I will wear a tuxedo).

And one thing that you DON'T do above all other don'ts while travelling...is let anything happen to your suit that cannot be quickly solved by an iron and/or some soda water.

I bring along extra ties and shirts in case I was stupid enough to order spaghetti with tomato sauce at a meal (stupid idea for a professional on the road). But an extra suit would add too much weight to luggage that would presumably also include "gadgets" like product samples, etc. An extra tuxedo would be superfluous. Nobody brings along extra tuxedoes (although Bond did have a spare in this movie).

For my partner to get under the shower and cry with the evening gown I bought her...would be way too much. It would ruin the whole point of taking her. It would ruin the "mission" if her presence at a ball were meant to impress business contacts. She could not continue the mission with a soaking dress.

Then again, I don't often kill people in the stairwell and ask my partner to help.

The original script called for her crying in her underwear after slipping out of her dress.

Here is an article about the subject:

http://www.theglobea...PEntertainment/

[Editor's Note: I now realize that Vesper had several dresses and did not return to the card room after the killings of the Africans.

You don't need to set me straight on this point anymore!]

For that matter, I guess a man who has to kill a lot on missions would need to take along special cleaning fluids, portable dry-cleaning apparati, extra shirts and bow ties and underwear because of the blood factor. I only have to worry about the spaghetti sauce.

Don't get me wrong: I was thought the general idea of having someone crying in a dress under the shower is great drama and Green did a good job of making me believe a man could fall in love with her (but not specifically me). I just want Barbara Broccoli to run things and not the actresses she hires. And speaking of whom she hires for the next movie, it wouldn't be hard to find a good actress with a little meat on her bones like the original Bond Women (Claudine and Ursula).

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 29 November 2006 - 11:59 AM.

[Odyssey]

Interesting post, VeteransAbroad - and I must say I rather envy your pan-European trotting. Personally, I can't really comment on whether these script changes happened or not, but I'm not entirely certain that Green has either Victorian or feminist views when it comes to nudity. If you are a fan of the lovely Miss Green, I do recommend that you rent "The Dreamers", in which film Green spends most of her time utterly naked and open to the camera from every aspect you could imagine. Oh, and it is a pretty good movie besides that!

[VeteransAbroad]

Thanx for the tip on "The Dreamers". I thought Green acted very well and the romance was believable as in the book. But I did hear that she did not want to be typecast by the Bond Girl role and refused to do that shower scene in her underwear as a direct result. I am OK with this...considering how great a job she did with the movie as a whole. I just want Barbara Broccoli, if she reads this, to make decisions herself in the future and not let actresses decide for themselves on such matters. I personally had no desire to see Green without her clothes because I am attracted to heavier women like Claudine Augur and Ursula Andress from the first Bond movies. What bothered me was that I know what it is like to go back to the hotel room for a one hour break in a business conference. The last thing you do is destroy your clothing and make it impossible to return to the action.*

Still, someone like Green in an evening gown would be an elegant addition to a business dinner. She was cast well considering most men's tastes.

* Example: In September I went with a woman to a conference at the Vienna Hilton (250 Euros per night). The evening gown that I'd bought for the woman had cost me 120 Euros but it earned her and I an invitation by an American CEO to stay an extra two nights and attend a ball that we hadn't been originally invited to. Our mission was succeeding. When we returned to the hotel room on breaks, the outer clothes would come off to give us the feeling of actually taking a break as we checked email or she lay down for twenty minutes, used the washroom or whatever. But we kept our underwear on.

So it would have been entirely believable if Vesper had pulled her evening gown over her head, thrown it on the floor and then entered the shower with her underwear on while she sat down and cried.

I have heard that the screenwriters wrote the scene this way but Green changed things at the last second. The screenwriters were more realistic on the matter. But I am beating a dead horse here. ;-)

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 29 November 2006 - 12:02 PM.

[Roebuck]

Two points in reply.

Bond had a spare tuxedo. He had brought one with him in addition to the one Vesper got him.

Secondly, I

[littlenellie]

who did you hear this from ?

[VeteransAbroad]

Yes, I knew he had a spare. The script made sure we knew that.

But the script made it seem like she did not have a spare evening gown anywhere near as nice as the one she had on. Can someone tell me if she wore the same gown minutes after she had gotten it drenched?

In the book, she only had one gown that she got in Paris before coming out to the Dieppe coast.

My point is that the scriptwriters probably had it right the first time, that women do remove their dresses when they go back to their rooms to feel less restricted, and a traumatized woman would especially want to feel less restricted. Green, apparently, made everyone's decision for them when she flatly refused to do the scene unless fully dressed. We shouldn't develop a habit of having the Bond Women rewrite the scripts. ;-)

The scene otherwise went down very well and one could imagine a traumatized woman doing what she did if the day was over and there was an opportunity to buy a new dress in the morning of have that one dried out on the terrace overnight. Most scripts would have this option to accomodate the act of crying in the shower in an evening gown.

But this script could not accomodate that well. It was 30 minutes before she is supposed to return to an important mission in that very dress (or sure, maybe she had another that she was seen wearing later).

But this topic is akin to complaining about the swimming pool water under the collapsed house in Venice...you can't let such considerations spoil what was otherwise an excellent movie.

[Roebuck]

And let's not forget, he

[spynovelfan]

Where did you hear Green refused to be seen in her underwear?

I think it's more likely that a traumatised woman would walk into the shower wearing her gown that semi-strip, myself, but I can see both happening. I think this is more dramatic, though, as it is that Bond joins her, also clothed. It's the juxtaposition of it that works - the fact that she is beyond caring about the glamour at that point. I think the image of a beautiful woman wearing a gown in a shower is very 'Bond'. Presumably she had another gown somewhere, or bought one in the hotel. I mean, where did she get Bond's tux from? I just presumed there was a Brioni boutique in the hotel. What's much more unlikely is that she could get a tux made for Craig that fitted him that perfectly just by her looking at him. And even if she could it is not, as Bond says, 'tailor-made', as he hasn't been fitted for it.

But this is a Bond film - credibility has never been the series' strong point. Wearing a tux under a scuba suit is pretty implausible too, as are thousands of other things that we've seen.

(Incidentally, I am slightly creeped out by your tales of buying female companions dresses to wear to accompany you on 'missions' and your ability to have sex between meetings. Really - we don't need to know! )

[VeteransAbroad]

There are dozens of references all over the Internet to how Green decided to rewrite the script with the shower scene. Here is just one example that doesn't go into detail about the argument:

http://www.scifi.com...c...8928&type=0

But the Canadian Globe and Mail says there may have been another reason:

http://www.theglobea...PEntertainment/

This is not a big deal to me.

1) I agree that a traumatized woman might get under a shower in an evening gown. But it is more likely she'd remove the dress to be better able to breathe and be less restricted, while not caring about removing her underwear.

2) I agree that she actually would have brought her own evening gown in addition to the one Bond gave her.

Now, moving on to the more interesting comment:

If you've posted over 4000 times here, then your attitude is bound to prevail here and, as a newbie, I will have to accomodate it well and good.

But to say, even with a smiley face, that you're "slightly" creeped out by behavior that James Bond does himself...implies that James Bond is only allowed to be a "fantasy figure" where women should be creeped out by guys who may have used him as a role model and the real men that one finds in European casinos.

Tons of men structure their lives at least partly around the model that Sean Connery established. I went into US Army Intelligence and learned Russian because of "From Russia With Love." Since the fall of the Soviet Union, I would refuse to actually spy on Russia because I would not want to lose the privilege of continuing to go to Russia.

For that and other reasons, the business world can actually allow more of a Bond lifestyle for a man than the actual spy world.

I am in Moscow every two months on business, not spy missions. This fact doesn't take too much away from the fun.

In fact, if I had remained in the "intelligence" business, my life would have been mostly hanging out with eggheads in air-conditioned basements listening to incessant cell phone interceptions.

So having established that business conferences are more realistic as a place to live the "Bond-lifestyle", the fact of the matter is that the men you see with beautiful women in casinos...have often purchased the evening gown the woman is wearing. Many women these days don't have an evening gown in their wardrobe and don't necessarily have the budget to buy one.

I don't even want to find out that there might be people who have posted thousands of comments here who would be creeped out by the average 15-20 year age differences in the Bond relationships either, if they noticed this happening in real life. Similarly, it would be annoying to learn that Bond will not be hooking up with any East European women in the next films because British and American ideologues have branded women from those countries as being "exploited mail order brides." ;-)

Bond regularly slept with Russian women. More scenes in "Montenegro" would logically include Serbian or Bosnian women. The "reboot" shouldn't do away with this concept out of ideological reasons (and I am not saying that I've heard anything about this).

Now, regarding the comment that couples don't generally have sex in the hour interval between business conference meetings...

it is great to say with a smiley face that this is too much information...but I mentioned this because this is a James Bond forum where I thought such a topic would logically be OK. If, however, you have 4000+ posts to your name and tell me that, in fact, it isn't cool to mention real life parameters in this regard, then I consider myself chastened and advised. ;-)

Really good comments on any forum are generally made by men who aren't concerned with getting dates from the women on the forum. However, if the atmosphere here is one where a man should want to be discrete as if he is at dinner with a woman he may want to have an affair with, then I would agree that it would be crass to discuss when and where it is appropriate to have a tryst. ;-)

I will read more of past forum posts to see what the parameters are for discussing Bond's love life in relation to real life situations.

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 05:03 PM.

[marktmurphy]

Why would a woman who's supposed to be in such a massive state of shock that she smashes a wine glass and sits under a cold shower sobbing suddenly think to herself 'Oh hang- never mind all this being upset stuff, I should really take care of my dress'? A sudden moment of rationality during an irrational act?

[spynovelfan]

First of all, welcome to CBN.

Secondly, it was just my opinion. Nothing to do with how much meaningless gibberish either of us have typed on the internet. I'm sure you're a lovely guy, but I want to discuss the Bond films and books and for me, the idea of buying a woman a cocktail dress for the night is creepy. For me. I don't really see how it's relevant to discussion of Bond, but that's just me. Feel free. It was just my honest reaction - perhaps I'm the only one. Whichever, don't let me stop you.

Thirdly, how do you know 'feminist Green' was lying? Seems presumptuous of you, especially as she was naked for almost the entirety of THE DREAMERS and her logic makes perfect sense, as you yourself have admitted.

[VeteransAbroad]

A Google search can flesh out the facts or at least what was being said on the topic.

I thought the scene was great however, and it worked if one assumed she had an extra dress in her bag.

Then also, we were supposed to suspend disbelief: Bond's face is all cut up and bloody in the same scene but his face is perfect 20 minutes later when he sits back down at the card table.

I just noted very appropriately, that in real life as in this particular situation, people mind their ability to continue to function (in dry clothes) when they only have an hour to go back to their hotel rooms.

I otherwise loved the movie "Casino Royale" because it matched real life where spaghetti sauce is the equivalent of blood. ;-)

I find real life experiences terribly relevant and the logistics of purchasing evening gowns for women is about as appropriate a point as possible for discussion of this scene.

As in the book, it was 1 or 2AM when this break in the card game occurs. The boutique in the lobby would not be open at that hour.

Not every beautiful woman has an evening gown or a high salary, although I did mention that there are some great evening gowns available in Austria for only 120 Euros that can transform a woman.

In business, it can be very important to have a wonderful "significant other" attending a conference for the social functions. That might cost money that the other person doesn't have, but it is well worth it. Bond, in the film, felt it worth it to make sure Vesper had the best dress possible.

In the book, Vesper goes to great trouble to finagle a great evening gown from friends in Paris that she could not afford to pay for herself on her government salary.

That reality never changed from 1953, when the book was written, to 2006 when 99% of the people in casinos are not spies but ordinary businesspeople.

The movie goes to great pains to make sure that Vesper appears as financially solvent as Bond and even more so as she obnoxiously decides the fate of the world when she denies him the extra 5Million that the CIA has to then cover for him. [This young British accountant still basically decides that the Americans will get to interrogate a suspect instead of MI6.]

I just realized that the scene where she denies him the extra 5Million is the biggest "fault" in the script. ;-)

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 01:35 PM.

[Mercator]

She should have been naked, as in the original book.

[VeteransAbroad]

You mean the suicide?

"Only the black hair showed above the sheet...Bond fell on his knees beside her and drew back the sheet. She was asleep. She must be."

No mention of whether she was naked or not there. This was 1953.

I don't think there was any kind of crying scene in the book, was there?

By the way, I just checked what I wrote earlier and it was "Couples tend to take their suits and dresses off when they return for an hour to their rooms, but they keep their underwear on while checking email and things, because tense business meetings don't lend themselves to quickie sex in the intervals."

If that doesn't fit a James Bond forum, I don't know what anyone could post a lot about here. ;-)

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 01:16 PM.

[stromberg]

For the record: Vesper has a spare evening gown. It's the one Bond gives to her, prior to discovering that she, obviously, wasn't happy with his choice of suit, either. The dress she's wearing on the first night and in the shower scene isn't that dress - it's her own.

Subsequently, she's wearing the black dress given to her by Bond on the following night.

I pointed it out in another thread: I doubt that any woman who visits a high class casino on two consecutive nights will wear the same dress on both nights.

[VeteransAbroad]

Thanx for pointing that out. In that case, the scene fit perfectly and Green was right. If she shows up at the card game 30 minutes later in a different dress, then it makes sense. It had a great effect to see her in the shower with a dress on.

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 01:24 PM.

[Harmsway]

But the script made it seem like she did not have a spare evening gown anywhere near as nice as the one she had on. Can someone tell me if she wore the same gown minutes after she had gotten it drenched?

She wore a different gown - it was a black dress in a very different style.

But what do you mean, "minutes" after it was drenched? She went to sleep after that shower thing and wasn't back in dress wear until the evening of the next day.

[Seannery]

VeteransAbroad you have an interesting sensibility--where do you come from?

[VeteransAbroad]

Wait a minute...do you mean I was wrong about the two of them having to return to the tables immediately after the shower scene?

If so, this thread is mostly bunk.

But I was sure that the two Africans were killed in the one hour break and Le Chiffre and his girlfriend were back at the tables soon after with the girlfriend wearing the same thing she had on previously.

Even so, if Vesper is wearing a different dress after the shower scene, much of this thread is meaningless as well. I loved the idea of two traumatized people in the shower and Bond putting the warm water on. That was a nice touch as well.

Where this thread has not been meaningless is that I sense that there are regular posters to a James Bond forum who believe that men and women should only date when financially equal (thus the sensibility that it is wrong for a man to pay for the hotel room, all the meals, and the clothes of a woman he brings on a trip).

In fact, the use of the word "creepy" at all on any forum is well-known among Americans on other forums to be a word that some people use to keep men in line regarding what ideologues regard as "male chauvinist thought patterns".

Ian Fleming's male chauvinist James Bond was not "creepy."

At the end of the book "Casino Royale" Bond says "The bitch is dead now." Fleming was no feminist apologist.

I am from New York where there is a significant battle going on these days for control of the language in this regard.

There has never been an American "James Bond" because, for complex political reasons, American women audiences don't want to see a sophisticated American male sleeping with foreign women. It is OK if the playboy (like Austen Powers) is British, but not American.

I'd like to be shown to be wrong by a few examples. But Superman and Batman and Spiderman all operate within the USA and date wholesome American women.

Indiana Jones, in "Raiders of the Lost Ark," met up with a particularly obnoxious American woman in Tibet who was also with him in Egypt.

Americans can be so geo-centric that American males who date European women are considered in the American press to be those who cannot get an American woman. I've been asked by American women why I'd ever consider a German or Czech girlfriend, and the Czech would be labelled a "mail order bride" no matter how brilliant and independent she might be, simply because she happened to come from a former Soviet satellite. It isn't hard to see why this propaganda is perpetuated by both the right and the left back there. Bush just signed a law making it illegal for American men to chat with foreign women on the Internet. I kid you not.

In the Bourne movies, does Bourne sleep with any Russian or Eastern European women? I haven't seen all the films, but it is an interesting question considering American politics is against an American male doing that since the Cold War ended.

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 02:18 PM.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I was quasi-OK with the way the screenwriters felt it would be politically incorrect to show how Bond really got his first two kills: sniping a Japanese code breaker through a New York City skyscraper window and then killing a fellow agent from Norway who was also working for the Germans (Bond got his 00 status in World War Two).

Actually the kills were fairly similar to the book, one messy - one clean. I don't think it had much to do with politically correctness just the fact that I don't think there are as many Japanese cipher clerks or Norwegian Nazis these days.

For my woman to get under the shower and cry with the evening gown I bought her...would be way too much! It would ruin the whole point of taking her. It would ruin the "mission" if her presence at a ball were meant to impress business contacts. She could not continue the mission with a soaking dress.

It would be realistic however, if she removed the dress and cried in her underwear in the shower.


Question: Did Vesper have an extra evening gown packed or did she appear in the following scene with the one and only evening gown dry and looking great? If so, was the following scene supposed to be a few minutes later? I think yes.


Don't get me wrong: I was OK with suspending credibility in the shower scene and Green did a good job of making me believe a man could fall in love with her (but not specifically me). I just want Barbara Broccoli to run things and not the actresses she hires. And speaking of that, it wouldn't be hard to find a good actress with a little meat on her bones like the original Bond Girls.

Personally I didn't have any credibility issues with her getting in the shower with the evening gown - she was freaked out and not thinking clearly. There's no reason she'd strip down to her underwear and then suddenly forget to continue undressing.

And secondly, she didn't go back to the poker game that night - she went to sleep and went back the next day. So it really isn't that big of a deal.

[Bon-san]

Wait a minute...do you mean I was wrong about the two of them having to return to the tables immediately after the shower scene?

If so, this thread is mostly bunk.

But I was sure that the two Africans were killed in the one hour break and Le Chiffre and his girlfriend were back at the tables soon after with the girlfriend wearing the same thing she had on previously.

Even so, if Vesper is wearing a different dress after the shower scene, much of this thread is meaningless as well. I loved the idea of two traumatized people in the shower and Bond putting the warm water on. That was a nice touch as well.

Where this thread has not been meaningless is that I sense that there are regular posters to a James Bond forum who believe that men and women should only date when financially equal (thus the sensibility that it is wrong for a man to pay for the hotel room, all the meals, and the clothes of a woman he brings on a trip).

In fact, the use of the word "creepy" at all on any forum is well-known among Americans on other forums to be a word that women use to keep men in line regarding what ideologues regard as "male chauvinist thought patterns".

Ian Fleming's male chauvinist James Bond was not "creepy."

I am from New York where there is a significant battle going on these days for control of the language in this regard.

There has never been an American "James Bond" because, for complex political reasons, American women audiences don't want to see a sophisticated American male sleeping with foreign women. It is OK if the playboy (like Austen Powers) is British, but not American.

I'd like to be shown to be wrong by a few examples. But Superman and Batman and Spiderman all operate within the USA and date wholesome American women.

Indiana Jones, in "Raiders of the Lost Ark," met up with a particularly obnoxious American woman in Tibet who was also with him in Egypt.

Americans can be so geo-centric that American males who date European women are considered in the American press to be those who cannot get an American woman. I've been asked by American women why I'd ever consider a German or Czech girlfriend. It isn't hard to see why this propaganda is perpetuated by both the right and the left back there. Bush just signed a law making it illegal for American men to chat with foreign women on the Internet. I kid you not.

I don't really know where to start in responding to this post. So many interesting and/or outrageous statements!

Perhaps I'll think on it a bit.

Welcome to CBn, VeteransAbroad.

[00Twelve]

Didn't have any credibility issues at all. Sure, it could have been different, but it wouldn't have changed the scene for me in the slightest.

[VeteransAbroad]

Did she really go to sleep after that? I was sure the Africans attacked during a one hour break. I am going to have to see the film again and in English. ;-)

[Seannery]

I don't like PC either--I asked where you are from because it seemed english may be your second language and something got lost in the translation. But I guess not then. I think you are going on tangents with your personal dating habits(and i'm not judging them at all) that don't really connect back to Bond and CR in any solid manner. At least I don't see it. About Eva and the script i'd have to hear something from a couple of reputable sources and just not internet stories--which are not always reliable.

[VeteransAbroad]

I am glad to see someone here openly say that political correctness is nonsense on a Bond forum.

I was connecting business habits and the logistics of people going back to their hotel rooms for an hour break. It was my thread and I decided that was relevant regardless of the fact that I now agree that the shower scene was done correctly and Green was right.

I agree completely that media reports on anything cannot necessarily be trusted. Google searches can bring up dozens of falsehoods that germinated from one falsehood somewhere else. Still, let's not all decide that the reports about Eva's motivation to change the scene were wrong.

I think I made a very good point that 99% of the men whom you'll find in European casinos or 5 star hotels are not spies in 2006, but businessmen. I was also saying that the women with them are not always their financial equals nor should we be judging each other on whether they should be.

Craig is 12 years older than Green. Nothing unrealistic or unfair about that.

Does the forum ever bring things into real life? Anyone spending New Year's in Monte Carlo?

By the way, what would Bond do for New Years in Europe? ;-)

In fact, let's move the thread onto the topic of where to go during the New Year's break where one will find a "Casino Royale" atmosphere.

The Monte Carlo parties cost 500 Euros per person to attend.

That, in addition to a three night minimum stay at 450 Euros per night in the local hotels.

I don't want to spend that much to get the CR feeling. ;-)

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 29 November 2006 - 12:25 PM.

[annita]

some points.
- Vesper in the shower in her expensive gown was more shocking than her stripping down, it showed how the shock of seeing people being killed for the first time, not only that but helping in killing them had affected her.Also that was an excellent juxtaposition for Bond to sit in the shower with her fully clothed to console her.

- after Bond killed the African warlord he spent sometime getting hold of himself,he was shaken him self, he goes back to the table where Le Chiffre taunts him about changing his shirt, the next scene is the Shower scene,which happens after the game is concluded for the night, so Vesper never goes back to the Casino,and we never see that dress again.

-Vesper was not a Bond girl,she was not in his plans, she was an accountant that was send to keep her eye on the money, so I doubt she was ready for what happened in front of her so I can't imagine how you expect her to take the killing of two people so easily by changing her gown and going back to the poker game.

-As a woman speaking, if I am invited to a two days high stakes Poker game in an high class Hotel, I will be damn sure to bring with me not 2 gowns, but a third one too! haven't you figured out what women have too much luggage when they travel yet?

[VeteransAbroad]

Thanx. I've been shown to be wrong about my criticism there.

Is there any way to edit the title of my thread like I can edit a comment?

Annita finally proved to me that Vesper did not go back to the card room after the killings.

The "lost in translation" part comes from my being a big fan of the book where none of this happens and where Vesper borrows a dress in Paris.

-------------------------------------------

By the way, in the book, Vesper actually puts Bond into harm's way, significantly by making sure Felix and Mathis are not standing behind Bond when the bad guys puts the rifle/cane into his coccyx and tells Bond to withdraw his bet. She then leads Bond into chasing the car and nearly getting killed.

The betrayal is much greater in the book. So you get: "Pass this along. 3030 was a double agent working for Redland. Yes, I said WAS dammit. The bitch is dead now."

This new "reboot" is going to make the emotions more along the lines of getting revenge against the syndicate for the loss of his great love.

This will be an interesting "reboot".

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 03:14 PM.

[VeteransAbroad]

I admire people who travel with a fair amount of luggage. ;-)

The businessmen with the mini-me suitcases wear one suit on the plane or train to and back and everywhere they go. In real life, that tends to show.

Which reminds me that I've not seen Bond pulling suitcases up and down train station stairwells such as the big one in Leipzig (one of the few gorgeous train stations in Germany that wasn't completely destroyed in WW2).

I guess the films have to skip the logistics. ;-)


The theatres in Germany and Russia are packed for CR with no seat remaining empty for the showings.

As noted above, some German businessmen just invited me to play Texas Holdem with their wives this coming Friday on the evening after I meet them.

This time I'll go alone. I don't think I'll need anyone to put the heart jumper cables on me after I get poisoned.

Edited by VeteransAbroad, 27 November 2006 - 08:10 PM.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]I would not be surprised if after that scene Bond: a) Undressed Vesper and put her to bed. b) Called to the desk and had her dress sent out to be cleaned. I don

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

Did she really go to sleep after that? I was sure the Africans attacked during a one hour break. I am going to have to see the film again and in English. ;-)

They did. There was a break - the Africans attacked - Bond went back to the room to change and returned the game - Vesper found Mathis and then went back to the room and got in the shower where she remained until Bond finished the game for the night.