Jump to content


This is a read only archive of the old forums
The new CBn forums are located at https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/

 
Photo

CR: "blunt instrument", Bond 22: "precise instrument"?


14 replies to this topic

#1 Colossus

Colossus

    Lt. Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPip
  • 1490 posts
  • Location:SPECTRE Island

Posted 26 November 2006 - 10:56 PM

In CR i love how they started him out, Bond was more thuggish and a rough-around-the-edges "blunt instrument" as pointed out by M (the line was highlighted in the trailers), and you definitely saw the psycho aspect of him. You can tell it's intended and a perfect setup for the next one to add the classy blend to him (which we all know) to smooth out and become the "precise instrument" that is inevitable and which M truly wants.

I just can't wait for that character progression, Craig is going to be amazing at finally settling in the mold which will add depth and weight as it's been said here many times before.

#2 bunny

bunny

    Recruit

  • Crew
  • 4 posts

Posted 27 November 2006 - 03:00 AM

I would expect that some of the rough edges would be smoothed off, but Craig's Bond would not be the "precise instrument". Not yet.

I find the Bond that has a couple of rough edges and can make mistakes more interesting.

#3 JimmyBond

JimmyBond

    Commander

  • Executive Officers
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 10559 posts
  • Location:Washington

Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:30 AM

I find the Bond that has a couple of rough edges and can make mistakes more interesting.



Indeed. I'd be very disappointed if they gave us the Bond "we all know and love" so soon, I hope they wait until at least Bond 23 to make Bond the smooth character he is in the earlier films. Besides, I'm sure Craig wants more interesting scripts to play, to give him a "regular" Bond script so soon would be disappointing.

#4 tdalton

tdalton

    Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 11680 posts

Posted 27 November 2006 - 06:03 AM




I find the Bond that has a couple of rough edges and can make mistakes more interesting.



Indeed. I'd be very disappointed if they gave us the Bond "we all know and love" so soon, I hope they wait until at least Bond 23 to make Bond the smooth character he is in the earlier films. Besides, I'm sure Craig wants more interesting scripts to play, to give him a "regular" Bond script so soon would be disappointing.


Agreed. I'd like to see Craig continue his portrayal of Bond from CR on into Bond 22. I thought that he was great, and I don't think that they need to make any major changes. Maybe they could make Bond a little bit more smooth, but I thought it was great the way it was.

#5 K1Bond007

K1Bond007

    Commander RNVR

  • Commanding Officers
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 4932 posts
  • Location:Illinois

Posted 27 November 2006 - 07:18 AM

I think you may be interpreting the "blunt instrument" line improperly here. It's only to say that he's straightforward, uncompromising, and without any sort of consideration to the matter. That's the point of Bond per Ian Fleming. He's an anonymous neutral figure wielded by the British Government - a blunt instrument.

There is no precision here.

He's flawed, but he always should be in my opinion. That's life. When your badass secret agent becomes flawless things get a little boring. There are lessons to always be learned and even when it has been covered and Bond should know better, it doesn't mean he can't fall for it all over again. Love, for instance. In his line of work, it's just not all that possible and Vesper kind of taught him that lesson yet he fell for it again a number of times, most notably and tragically with Tracy. That's an interesting thought to be honest, especially when you think about Casino Royale (the movie) when he discusses leaving the service to take or retain whatever piece of his soul he had left. I hate to be rather melodramatic (although that may not be the right word), but perhaps Bond is looking to be saved, which is why he falls for that trap over and over, but I digress.

#6 bogard

bogard

    Midshipman

  • Crew
  • 98 posts

Posted 27 November 2006 - 08:32 AM

After all that carpet beating stuff, I think his instrument will remain "blunt" for quite some time. :)

#7 Scottlee

Scottlee

    Lt. Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPip
  • 2592 posts
  • Location:Leeds, England

Posted 27 November 2006 - 12:19 PM

I'm much more interested in Bond22 having a decent plot. Although it certainly worked as a film, CR was more about the Bond character than the storyline. The same could almost be said about Dr No. Now if FRWL focused slightly less on Connery and more on producing the most awesome spy story ever seen on screen, I hope something similar will happen for Craig's 2nd film. We've had a Craig experience that we'll never forget. Now let's have a story we'll never forget that stars Craig as Bond.

#8 EWKDSMB

EWKDSMB

    Midshipman

  • Crew
  • 65 posts

Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:30 PM

i believe craig has said he's not finished making mistakes yet .
that in bond 22 he is still sometimes too headstrong or at least that's the idea.
the article in which he says this is on the main page[font=Arial]

#9 bill007

bill007

    Lt. Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPip
  • 2072 posts
  • Location:I'm in my study, at the computer desk.

Posted 30 November 2006 - 02:19 AM

Yes indeed. I absolutely love the fact that the threads here pertain to discussions about the developement of Bond's character and future plot lines. What a breath of fresh air.

A career change from commando to spy is undoubtably going to have a learning curve. As a long-time Bondonian, I'm really going to enjoy this era of the franchise.

Edited by bill007, 30 November 2006 - 02:19 AM.


#10 pedroarmendariz

pedroarmendariz

    Midshipman

  • Crew
  • 61 posts

Posted 03 December 2006 - 10:55 PM

somebody pointed out that when bond lost his big game against le chiffre, it was due to his ego getting the best of him and not thinking clearly. i liked that analysis of the bitter lose. it also explained his eagerness first to buy back in and then his attempt to kill le chiffre right away. bond 22 should be another trial and error movie because it would make the older bond more acceptable to see dc's bond continue struggling in his new role as a 00. you could also have him come close to dying against a villain to show the audience that he learned the art of fooling his enemies like goldfinger into revealing their plans. i would much rather see dc's bond continue to crawl than to see him learn everything between movies. it would continue the more-human theme that some fans liked in cr. brosnan had it right when he tried to make people see bond hurt during a mission instead of just getting a few scratches. :)

#11 RazorBlade

RazorBlade

    Lt. Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPip
  • 1248 posts
  • Location:Austin, TX

Posted 05 December 2006 - 12:08 PM

I'm much more interested in Bond22 having a decent plot. Although it certainly worked as a film, CR was more about the Bond character than the storyline. The same could almost be said about Dr No. Now if FRWL focused slightly less on Connery and more on producing the most awesome spy story ever seen on screen, I hope something similar will happen for Craig's 2nd film. We've had a Craig experience that we'll never forget. Now let's have a story we'll never forget that stars Craig as Bond.


:) :P :P

#12 sharpshooter

sharpshooter

    Commander

  • Executive Officers
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 8996 posts

Posted 05 December 2006 - 12:30 PM

I seek a Bond still learning the ropes ala Royale also. It is far more interesting, character development etc. Him making mistakes is what makes drama. I like Bond's darker side.

#13 stamper

stamper

    Lt. Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPip
  • 2994 posts
  • Location:Under the sea

Posted 05 December 2006 - 01:03 PM

The "Bond we know and love" is dead. Someone should do an orbituary. Because this character that somehow survived 35 years of children movies, isn't, and shouldn't be coming back, hopefully for the next 35 years.

I much prefer the original Bond character (ie the movies 1962-1969), than the travesty it became for three decades. Where Bond could have been played by anyone in a tux, and the movie have been still the same.

It's Saltzman who said Bond is like Tarzan, no one cares, about who plays him. He was dead wrong. Where is Tarzan now ?

#14 00golf

00golf

    Cadet

  • Crew
  • 13 posts

Posted 05 December 2006 - 05:05 PM

I think they can smooth out his character for non violent moments which I think the very last scene was just that. I certainly hope they keep the brutality during fight scenes, if not because of the realism than anything else. It also adds depth of character. One of the best fight scenes was in TSWLM. Bond ws fighting the bald thug, gets the better of him on the roof top, gets the information he needs and a wicked smack sending him to his death, then jumping back into the suave smooth character. To me THAT is a true Bond moment.

They should continue the headstrong Bond as to give him the motivation and making mistakes is human. In Thunderball Bond drops his gun on Largo's rooftop losing his weapon and alerting him to his position. In later movies we never saw any mistake. It puts Bond in peril which I think is essential and he must use brute force to get his way out of danger.

#15 00Twelve

00Twelve

    Commander

  • Veterans
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 7706 posts
  • Location:Kingsport, TN

Posted 05 December 2006 - 05:12 PM

Bond 22: Slightly sharpened instrument.