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[SeanSean]

After seeing CR it seems to me that "Vodka martini, shaken not stirred" won't be uttered again in a Bond movie. They had their chance to introduce the line and they didn't.

How could they possibly bring it back after DC made up his own drink and dismissed the bartender who asked if he wanted it shaken or stirred?

[stromberg]

The drink Bond ordered is the classic Bond Martini, as created in the book (and not an ordinary Vodka Martini, as people are led to believe by the movies).

When he orders the Vodka Martini (without all the fuss) after he just lost and Vesper explained that he won't get any more money, he just needs a drink, now.

Edited by stromberg, 24 November 2006 - 09:29 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

^^ Agreed, If i lost millions in a game of poker i would be that pissed off that i wouldn't give a rats what i was drinking.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

After seeing CR it seems to me that "Vodka martini, shaken not stirred" won't be uttered again in a Bond movie. They had their chance to introduce the line and they didn't.

Is there a rule somewhere that Daniel can't just order a vodka martini from now on?? He obviously displayed his preference for them shaken with the Vesper recipe...

Just calm down, honestly.

[stromberg]

For the record: Roger Moore never ordered a "Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred".

[delfloria]

I know this sound funny but I'm not sure Brosnan ever said it either. And Connery said it only once.

[JimmyBond]

I know this sound funny but I'm not sure Brosnan ever said it either. And Connery said it only once.

Brosnan said it twice, in GoldenEye and in The World is not Enough. In Tomorrow Never Dies Paris orders him one, and in Die Another Day, he orders one with plenty of ice.

[Dr. Noah]

For the record: Roger Moore never ordered a "Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred".

Barbara Bach did it for him, didn't she?

[stromberg]

For the record: Roger Moore never ordered a "Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred".

Barbara Bach did it for him, didn't she?

Yup.

[Doubl07]

Just because he lost a game of poker and he "doesn't give a damn" this time doesn't mean he won't proclaim his preference of shaken martinis in the future.

Edited by Doubl07, 24 November 2006 - 11:57 PM.

[Fro]

The drink Bond ordered is the classic Bond Martini, as created in the book (and not an ordinary Vodka Martini, as people are led to believe by the movies).

I believe he swears to never drink another of that recipe again at the end of CR. As far as martinis go, he mainly drinks gin and vodka ones in the rest of the novels, and he certainly doesn't order another Vesper. The Bond of the novels drinks all sorts of alcohol, not just champagne and martinis. Lots of whiskey/bourbon and local beverages.

CR is pretty loyal to the book in spirit of what 007 drinks, at least comparing the lists for the book and movie on this site http://007.atomicmartinis.com/.

Edited by Fro, 25 November 2006 - 12:14 AM.

[Double-O-Kevin]

I believe that the reason they didn't include "shaken, not stirred" is because it is an iconic Bond phrase. Throughout the movie, until the end, James Bond is not the iconic figure we "all know and love." Therefore, familiarities don't make themselves appear until the end. This is why "Bond, James Bond" was saved for the end. I honestly would not have wanted them to throw it in there just for the sake of having it. Ease it in.

I think that DC will utter it in Bond 22, and I think that it will make it that much cooler. Now that he is truly Bond, the phrase will sound better, IMO.

[bill007]

Well, according to Fleming, 007 does like his drinks c-o-l-d. Shaking the martini is only way to get there. Cold vodka is almost mentholated, refreshing. Cool vodka is like rubbing alchohol.

I agree with Double-O-Kevin, we'll get back there soon enough.

[DanMan]

Honestly, I really hope we don't get the whole "shaken not stirred" thing again for a while. I'd prefer he just drank whatever was good depending on which location he traveled to, like in the novels.

[FlemingBond]

I thought the "i don't give a damn" was supposed to get a big laugh, but i saw the movie with a small crowd, and it didn't, and it didn't seem so funny. It seemed serious in a cool way. Maybe not what they intended, but i liked the moment more serious.
Yes the "Vesper" drink in the CR novel is where 'shaken not stirred' comes from, but in subsequent books he doesn't just drink vodka martinis like in the movies.

[Tuxedo]

Well, to me the drink has a big stage in CR.

[Skudor]

I would quite enjoy it if, in future films, he continues to order the Vesper and other martinis - in detail. Occasionally a straight Vodka Martini, but also more interesting drinks. I think it is truer to the character than the simple Vodka Martini, shaken not stirred orders of the past.

[RevolveR]

For the record: Roger Moore never ordered a "Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred".

Barbara Bach did it for him, didn't she?

Yup.

As a side note, Roger intentionally never ordered one because he is quoted saying "that was Sean's thing" and didn't want to copy it. It wasn't until Dalton did it that it became a staple in Bond films.

As far as the Vesper (which is a real drink that Fleming tried and decided to name a character after after it, for those who don't know), I doubt that Bond orders another one in light of what happens to that romance...

Edited by RevolveR, 30 November 2006 - 05:37 PM.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I doubt that Bond orders another one in light of what happens to that romance...

Agreed - it'll just be vodka martinis and other drinks from now on...

[Blofeld's Cat]

For the record: Roger Moore never ordered a "Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred".

Barbara Bach did it for him, didn't she?

Yup.

And Manuella in Moonraker.

[Damien Hunt]

I thought the "i don't give a damn" was supposed to get a big laugh, but i saw the movie with a small crowd, and it didn't, and it didn't seem so funny. It seemed serious in a cool way. Maybe not what they intended, but i liked the moment more serious.
Yes the "Vesper" drink in the CR novel is where 'shaken not stirred' comes from, but in subsequent books he doesn't just drink vodka martinis like in the movies.

Bond has never JUST drank Champagn and Martini's in the movies either. All of the Bonds drank other wines and drinks. Connery drank Mouton Rothschild in Diamonds are forever, Brosnan drank Bourbon with M in Goldeneye just to name a few. I think the whole martini angle in CR was just another character builder that they put in to show the development of who Bond will become.

[Captain Grimes]

I may have misheard, but in CR, just before the "Do I like like I give a damn" line, doesn't Bond ask for a dry martini rather than a vodka martini? Since he didn't specifically ask for vodka, what he probably got was gin, assuming that the bartender at the casino was a good one.

Silly point to make, I know.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

No, I'm pretty sure he asked for a vodka martini.

When he asks for the Vesper he says.

A dry martini. Wait. 3 measures Gordon's, 1 Vodka etc etc

[vosne]

It seems to me that his response to "shaken or stirred?" is one of several references to a lack of sophistication that he will overcome in subsequent films. Another is his off-the-rack tuxedo which was cleverly pointed out as different from the taiored one Vesper provides.
I'll bet he asks for his vodka martini shaken in the next film.

[Captain Grimes]

No, I'm pretty sure he asked for a vodka martini.

Ah, you're probably right.

It seems to me that his response to "shaken or stirred?" is one of several references to a lack of sophistication that he will overcome in subsequent films.

Interesting point. His ordering of the Vesper, however, seemed pretty sophisticated. Maybe his sophistication--like that of the rest of us--comes in fits and starts?

Edited by Captain Grimes, 01 December 2006 - 07:03 PM.

[bill007]

I agree that we shouldn't see the Vesper again. The Bitch is dead, and so to should the drink be. It was a bit part in the novel and film.

[Judo chop]

Craig should order "A medium-dry martini. Shaken, not stirred."

But, not specifying "vodka" this first time around, the bartender delivers a gin martini (as any good bartender would) and Bond discovers that the gin is now 'bruised' from the shaking.

Bond takes a sip, grimmaces in distaste, and says, "Terrible. I think I'll call this a Brosnan."

[pedroarmendariz]

i don't know if it might help to shed some light into this question or not, but when i saw the movie with my brother who's not a big fan as me, he mentioned something that made me feel like some kind of idiot in the realm of bond. the second vesper that bond drank was the one spiked by le chiffre's girlfriend, my brother explained out of nowhere that since bond ordered the drink without any interest to either way of preparing it, he'll think twice and order it shaken next time to see if his drink has been spiked or not. i don't know if it could help him see if the drink has been spiked or not if you shake the martini, i don't have much experience in alcoholic drinks. the theory sounded quite convincing though at the time and i believe it. i also agree that like the tuxedo, the famous line, and the self control of his emotions and instincts, the drink was being slowly introduced to dc's bond so expect him to fall in line and act like the bond that we've know for more than forty years. i hope the action remains the same though because i thoroughly enjoyed seeing bond kick butt without civility. he's a 00 agent and manners can sometimes be dispense with when your life's on the line.the other clue that helps the slow ease into the well-known bond is his preference in married women over single ones. eon has hinted at bond bedding married as well as single women and paris carver was a slight proof of that, but in cr, bond straight out tells us that he prefers the married ones over the singles. hope this long winded post clears some of the air surroundig this topic.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

my brother explained out of nowhere that since bond ordered the drink without any interest to either way of preparing it, he'll think twice and order it shaken next time to see if his drink has been spiked or not. i don't know if it could help him see if the drink has been spiked or not if you shake the martini, i don't have much experience in alcoholic drinks. the theory sounded quite convincing though at the time and i believe it.

How on earth would it help him see if the drink was poisoned or not?? What was his theory exactly?

[LoganRyder]

Ok, when Bond orders the Vesper, he clearly knows his alcohol, but based on his pleasantly surprised reaction to the fact that the drink is good, he has not ordered it before, and so was most likely using it much as he was using the "in character" Vesper, as a distraction and to make him seem more intimidating, cultured etc, and keep the other players from doing as well.

In specifying it be shaken he clearly emphasizes his preference for that method, and he just doesnt care later because he lost a huge hand.

Lastly for all those arguing Bond in this film is too unsophisticated by citing the tailored suit example you are all just dead wrong. He was not angry that it was tailored, he was surprised she could figure out his measurements. Nothing was EVER said about HIS tux not being tailored, just that it was probably less expensive than the 10,000 dollar one he ends up wearing. The fact that he owns one in the first place says a little something as it is.

And when Vesper mentions the cut of his suit and it being "worn with disdain," it doesnt mean that he doesnt like wearing a suit in the sense that he'd rather be in a T Shirt. It means exactly what she explains it as, having to rub elbows with ppl who actually came from money when he did not was difficult for him.