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[dee-bee-five]

Hello, please forgive the question if it seems like a stupid one, but it has been a debate I have been involved in.

And please forgive me if the topic has been brought up before. If so, can someone direct me to the proper thread then...

Yes, I am noob. Please go easy on the agent in training.

The question is; is this CR a prequel or a reboot?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the producers have stated this is a reboot and that the previous movies have nothing, and will have nothing to do with it.

I know what a prequel is, to me this can't be a prequel as this movie version of CR is set in 2006 and not before 1962, where Dr. No takes place.

Is this then a hybrid of a prequel or an untraditional prequel?

When a film is a classic, as Casino Royale is, words like "prequel" and "reboot" become redundant.

[rafterman]

It's more like Marvel's ultimate line. A way to tell the same basic story without the baggage of the past. They can keep the good parts and not worry about following history. It doesn't mean the originals no longer exist or have less value.

[dee-bee-five]

2)Bond meets Felix Leiter for the "first" time in CR and DN. Leiter's ethnicity notwithstanding, it would not make sense that sometime between CR and DN, Bond lost all memory of Leiter.

Quite easy to fanwank a solution to the meeting-Leiter-for-the-first-time-twice problem: in DR. NO, Bond knows perfectly well who Leiter is ('cause he's met him before, see) but doesn't give anything away until Leiter has introduced himself and thereby signalled that Pussfeller and Quarrel are friends and not foes.

Perhaps "Felix Leiter" is a code-name (which would certainly explain the colour change)...

I am, of course, playing Devil's Advocate...

[00Twelve]

If you think this is a debate, you guys should go over to theforce.net or another Star Wars forum and see how heated and hilarious it gets as folks come up for reasons to fill the plot holes between the prequel and original trilogy.

[Blisster Shoots]

If Casino Royale isn't a reboot, how do you explain M? Who is Judi Dench playing as M? The one who Brosnan's Bond directs M to where her predecessor kept the Cognac in Goldeneye? Or the one who told Bond in Casino Royale "I know it was too early to promote you."

Another issue with M, is the Cold War. In Goldeneye, she calls Bond a relic of the Cold War. In Casino Royale, she states "...I miss the Cold War" and scenes later the statement, ""I know it was too early to promote you."

Again, the car. In Goldfinger, Connery's Bond is given an Aston Martin DB5. Before that happened, Bond was wondering what happened to his Bentley. Here, in Casino Royale, he wins the Aston Martin at a card game.

If this was indeed a prequel, there has to be a reasonable and logical explanation within the context of Bond 21 and the previous 20 Bond films.

Barbara Broccoli may have said what she said, but it sure doesn't look like she's showing it, by way of the story and the script.

Edited by Blisster Shoots, 20 December 2006 - 08:18 PM.