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[SecretAgentFan]

Okay, the title of this thread will enrage some of you - but it is only meant to stress one thing: I love all Bond films - and even the lesser ones are hugely entertaining to me.

I waited with this review in order to let all the hype and expectations settle a little for me. I watched CR again last night. And I must say: I think it is a wonderful and exciting movie, truer to the Fleming spirit than all the other Bond films - even OHMSS which IMO is only true to Fleming

[MarcAngeDraco]

[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='654946' date='23 November 2006 - 09:03']
And there is also one line of dialogue that really made me cringe and the audiences with which I saw CR laugh out loud: Vesper tells Bond that he is more of a man with his little finger than most other men. Eva Green plays this scene even crying like a little girl. A bad misjudgement, IMO. Only Bond

[jake speed]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

[Mr Woodpigeon]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

Old romantics!

[dinovelvet]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

Well, obviously, government agents who chase bombers around construction sites, foil terrorist attacks at airports, play $10 million poker games, flip an Aston Martin seven times and get their balls beaten. Duh!

[jake speed]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

Well, obviously, government agents who chase bombers around construction sites, foil terrorist attacks at airports, play $10 million poker games, flip an Aston Martin seven times and get their balls beaten. Duh!

Hurrah for a gritty back to basics approach!

[Dr. Noah]

It's a perfectly natural reply when your girlfriend says "You've got your amour back up." What's the big deal?

[yolt13]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

At the risk of sounding sarcastic, even the grittier Fleming Bond doesn't live in the real world. More importantly, though, the armour line is a response to something Vesper says about Bond having put his armour back on to keep her from getting close to him. He didn't pull the term out of the air, he used it in response to her comment. I would say many people in real life do that sort of thing.

As for the "little finger" line, how can anyone not like this? For Vesper's part, she knows what she has just done to the man she loves and the emotion overwhelms her. It might be an odd phrasing ("your smile and your little finger"), but it's not difficult to imagine a passionate woman in this situation saying something along those lines. Bond's retort (which could only come after her comment) represents him at his coolest and most virile, a line which belies both his own self-confidence and his unerring knack for saying the most disarming thing to a member of the opposite sex. For me, this was one of the pivotal moments that sealed it for me that this was an actor really living the character James Bond, not playing the caricature essayed by Moore, Brosnan, and the rest.

I think these moments tend to bother us male fans because, no matter how much we say we want character development and realism, we are uncomfortable when the romantic elements go beyond the superficial in a James Bond movie. Certainly many have reacted that way to similar exchanges in OHMSS, but you can't have it both ways. Either CASINO ROYALE has these "mushy" moments (which, to anyone who's ever had any drama in their personal life, aren't unbelievable in the least) or it becomes either a soulless exercise in violence or a cartoonish fantasy.

[kneelbeforezod]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

Well, obviously, government agents who chase bombers around construction sites, foil terrorist attacks at airports, play $10 million poker games, flip an Aston Martin seven times and get their balls beaten. Duh!

Hurrah for a gritty back to basics approach!

That's it, keep on wilfully misunderstanding what the intention of the producers was with this film, so that you can keep on criticising it.

Edited by kneelbeforezod, 24 November 2006 - 04:21 AM.

[Seannery]

SecretAgentFan splendid point that one can enjoy the more realistic Bonds and also the the more fantastical ones.

[SecretAgentFan]

Thanks, Seannery. While I like CR I do think it has become overrated on this board. I predict that in a few years opinions will be more realistic about it. I was also totally psyched and hyped into CR but after seeing it twice I still like it, even love it. But it does NOT take away any love for the previous.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='654946' date='23 November 2006 - 14:03']
And there is also one line of dialogue that really made me cringe and the audiences with which I saw CR laugh out loud: Vesper tells Bond that he is more of a man with his little finger than most other men. Eva Green plays this scene even crying like a little girl. A bad misjudgement, IMO. Only Bond

Edited by Roger Moore's Bad Facelift, 25 November 2006 - 06:50 PM.

[Adrian Carlisle]

The 'armour' line was the worst one. Who on earth talks like that in real-life?

I said something like that once...and I meant it. And when the girl heard it, she closed her eyes and a tear rolled down her cheek.

Sometimes it's good to buck the trends of our cynical world.