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[Napoleon Solo]

WJR, a Detroit radio station, has been broadcasting its morning show from Beijing and the Beijing auto show this week. The host, Paul W. Smith, described how one of his crew purchased a pirated copy of Casino Royale. It had a professional-looking box and good picture quality. The price: about $1.50. I don't know if that's the actual price paid or an exaggeration but the anecdote is pretty typical about piracy in China.

[NATO Sub]

You are never going to stop piracy, but I think anyone who watches a new Bond film on a pirate DVD is doing themselves a disservice. Missing out on the great experience of seeing an action film on the big screen, with excellent sound and the atmosphere created by other Bond fans watch... no comparison.

[Scottlee]

A Japanese guy came to my door about an hour ago trying to sell me pirate copies of Casino Royale and Borat, to name but two. When I said I wasn't interested he said "What about Panno?". I said "Yer what?", and he repeated the same thing. I told him I didn't know what he was on about. So then he puts CR and Borat back in his bum-bag and pulls out a film with a naked bird on the front. "Oh pørno!" I said. "No thanks". After that he trundled off up the street.

[Rich_19]

LOL, only in England!

[uvhadyrsix]

I don't know about you blokes but i would welcome a copy of Casino Royale as because of my disabilty i haven't been able to sit and watch a movie in a cinema for near on 3 years. Every film i have seen has been on the computer lying down. Just my 2 cents from another view.

[Double-O-Kevin]

i've seen it twice in the theatre, and am going again tonight! yet, i would still probably accept a copy of it, just to own until the official DVD comes out. nothing beats seeing it in the theatre, though.

[Aces High]

I don't know about you blokes but i would welcome a copy of Casino Royale as because of my disabilty i haven't been able to sit and watch a movie in a cinema for near on 3 years. Every film i have seen has been on the computer lying down. Just my 2 cents from another view.

Don't see these people who 'provide' pirates as heroes,they are theives & scum of the earth.I'm sure if you invested a large amount of money into a project you would NOT want someone ripping off your work & then making a large amount of money out of you hard work would you?
Having a disability I'm sure is no laughing matter but look at this way,how would you like to feel cheated of any theropy your entitled to if someone came along & divereted funds to some illigal activity?

The OFFICIAL 'Casino Royale' will be available in 4-5 months,not like the old days when you had to wait a year before you could actually own the film.

[Blunt Instrument]

A Japanese guy came to my door about an hour ago trying to sell me pirate copies of Casino Royale and Borat, to name but two. When I said I wasn't interested he said "What about Panno?". I said "Yer what?", and he repeated the same thing. I told him I didn't know what he was on about. So then he puts CR and Borat back in his bum-bag and pulls out a film with a naked bird on the front. "Oh pørno!" I said. "No thanks". After that he trundled off up the street.

LOL, only in England!

Happens here too... although they don't come door to door...

Just go to a grocery store in a seedy neighborhood here... and you'll see fellas that have their little setup outside the store...

[stamper]

JUST A NOTE, something people should understand :

Any internet copy of CR should be ok and accepted, because no one makes a profit out of it. So, about 1 millions people are going to download a bad cam recording of it (until the DVD comes along). That's not 1 million lost in box office receipts, that's one million more guys aware of that movie, who would not have put a foot in the theater, be it for bond or superman or x man or spiderman or any other flick.

That's more recognition, which might translate into people buying a Bond game, a Bond shirt, a Bond book, whatever.

However, any fake DVD-R with a sleeve, is making profit for someone. Now, that's against those ripp offs Producers should concentrate, anyone downloading either CR soundtrack or the movie is just more power to them.

[Mister Asterix]

JUST A NOTE, something people should understand :

Any internet copy of CR should be ok and accepted, because no one makes a profit out of it. So, about 1 millions people are going to download a bad cam recording of it (until the DVD comes along). That's not 1 million lost in box office receipts, that's one million more guys aware of that movie, who would not have put a foot in the theater, be it for bond or superman or x man or spiderman or any other flick.

[mra]Pardon me but that

[K1Bond007]

JUST A NOTE, something people should understand :

Any internet copy of CR should be ok and accepted, because no one makes a profit out of it. So, about 1 millions people are going to download a bad cam recording of it (until the DVD comes along). That's not 1 million lost in box office receipts, that's one million more guys aware of that movie, who would not have put a foot in the theater, be it for bond or superman or x man or spiderman or any other flick.

That's more recognition, which might translate into people buying a Bond game, a Bond shirt, a Bond book, whatever.

This is incredibly bad logic. You downloading the movie is a loss to the studio because that means you're more likely (and this is definitely the case for the average pirate) not to pay to see the film at all. Give me a ing break. They lose that sale. Plain and simple. If you're willing to download a movie for free then you were willing to see and pay for it in one form or another and that includes seeing it on television.

God, all of this is illegal and anyone who downloads this film is doing a great disservice to it. You do this and still have the nerve to call yourself a fan? No way. I completely disagree. You're clearly not supporting it.

[CM007]

JUST A NOTE, something people should understand :

Any internet copy of CR should be ok and accepted, because no one makes a profit out of it. So, about 1 millions people are going to download a bad cam recording of it (until the DVD comes along). That's not 1 million lost in box office receipts, that's one million more guys aware of that movie, who would not have put a foot in the theater, be it for bond or superman or x man or spiderman or any other flick.

That's more recognition, which might translate into people buying a Bond game, a Bond shirt, a Bond book, whatever.

However, any fake DVD-R with a sleeve, is making profit for someone. Now, that's against those ripp offs Producers should concentrate, anyone downloading either CR soundtrack or the movie is just more power to them.

Piracy is Piracy...

[stamper]

Not when no profit is involved. I own a record company, and most of our catalogue is downloaded online about 200 times a day, day in day out. I don't mind, the more people into our music, the better. Those people would have never bought the thing anyway int he first place. However, I would kill if I caught someone selling boots of my records, I invest enough money in them.
Hell, back in the seventies, I used to tape radio shows. What's the difference ? I taped anything I wanted but could not afford due to limited budget. I bought most of these records as soon as I started working. I bought every bond movie at least 5 to 10 times on video or DVD, and will buy them again in HD or whatever format in the future until I die.
What I think sucks is discovering a movie like CR on a badly recorded cam thought. That just show how stupid the general internet public is.

[Mister Asterix]

Not when no profit is involved.

[mra]Exactly. There is no profit for Sony or Eon and there should be. They are not running a charity here are they? They don

[Matt_13]

Good news! The stuff that was on Youtube is now gone, looks like word got to them afterall.

[Aces High]

Piracy is THEFT simple as that.Its good to see my fellow 007 fans feel in the same way as I do regarding piracy.I thought I was in the minority.I do consider myself a fully fledged 007 fan & I can wait for the official DVD.If I feel the need to see Casino Royale again I'll be going to a cinema.

[Stylo]

Any internet copy of CR should be ok and accepted, because no one makes a profit out of it.

The idea that it is acceptable to copy something as long as you don't make a profit is a very big fallacy that is unfortunately widely believed. However, it has no basis in copyright law at all.

A bit off topic, but the idea that copying is "okay as long as you don't make a profit" is a very big issue in the world of knitting design - there are a lot of people, including knitting yarn shop owners, grrr, who think it's perfectly okay to copy and distribute a pattern designed and produced by someone, as long as they don't make a profit off it. It's incredibly unfair, it takes away a potential source of income, and it is nothing but theft.

[Asim]

Good news! The stuff that was on Youtube is now gone, looks like word got to them afterall.

Brill!

[K1Bond007]

Not when no profit is involved. I own a record company, and most of our catalogue is downloaded online about 200 times a day, day in day out. I don't mind, the more people into our music, the better. Those people would have never bought the thing anyway int he first place.

You don't think you're generalizing "your experience" just a little? There is a world of difference between pirating music and pirating movies. Do a little research into it next time. Try the Yale Economic Review. 200,000 people downloaded Casino Royale.. there's no ing way a rational thinking human being could possibly believe that no one among them would have paid to see it in the theater, or even rent the DVD at the very least. That's complete . There's no way you can spin it with this name recognition crap in relation to a James Bond film. Everybody knows James Bond is. Most people have seen a James Bond film.

It doesn't matter what you think or believe to be honest. It is illegal. It is theft.

[erwin2041]

In Indonesia, you can buy a pirated DVD copy of Casino Royale easily today for Rp7000 (less than US$1). It has been around since November 20th.

One of the interesting aspect of the DVD is in its cover. Although using Casino Royale International Poster as a DVD cover, somehow in the front cover they typed "DAVID CRAIG" as the name of the new James Bond.

I haven't check whether the quality of the picture is good or not. Not interested to buy it of course.

[Bucky]

i've seen it twice in the theatre, and am going again tonight! yet, i would still probably accept a copy of it, just to own until the official DVD comes out. nothing beats seeing it in the theatre, though.

agreed i am going to see it in the theatre as many times as possible but i dont know what i am going to do between when it is no longer in theatres and when it comes out on dvd.

[arturtle]

Can't blame them.For instance countries like China release date is only mid december-late january.Many of them dont have the privilege to enjoy watching it in the cinema early.Pirated dvds are the best substitute to them since its cheap and you get to own a copy even.Oh well, the chinese in China have never been used to watching it in the cinemas.Its a norm there to buy pirated dvds instead of going to watch in the cinemas

[uvhadyrsix]

I am so happy for you all able to go to the Cinema's to see Casino Royale, one day i wish you all are able to go there in my shoes and while you try and sit in the seat and try to concerntrate on the film and not on your back pain and the amount of morphin you will be taking,that get you from the car park to the cinema and don't forget after the film when you try to walk again. And all those great people who knock into you as you make your way home at 40 years of age feeling 70 with a walking stick, you will all wish there was a Pirated Copy so you could atleast enjoy it Lying down in less pain, thats ofcourse if you are the type of people who can stand in another persons shoes. Give me a break theft is theft, so no one has ever given you something for nothing and if they have you were all over them. I imagine standing on your ivory soapbox telling them no i can't accept it thats stealing.

As for not being Loyal to James Bond i am still going to buy the DVD when it comes out like i have always done. My loyality has stretched so far for Bond i lost everything for it,my wife who was sick of hearing about Bond my step kids who hated anything about Bond but stupid me defended it. Like i am now. I only have Bond its keep me going. Its what i breath how is that for a fan.
There are haves and have nots in this world and i know alot of starving have nots who watch a copied film,that's what they consider their social life. Walk in another mans shoes. Then tell me its wrong.

[stamper]

I wasn't discussin weither is legal or not, just putting into perspective the "harm" that is considered done by downloading. Of course it's illegal, it doesn't mean it's bad. Smoking marijuana is illegal, but some clinics do grow marijuana to cure patients, so how worse than any legal pills might this be ?

As for the difference between downloading a movie or a song, I don't see any. it's still getting free some low tech version of something that is for sale everywhere. At my small scale, I'm of course a bit hurt that each year, 25 550 000 downloads are made on the web of songs I own rights to, while we struggle to sell CDs, even beautifully packaged and at low price. (I just multiplied the number of songs we own by the number of downloads a day I see on soulseek to get this number. Each album is probably downloaded 200 times a day. Staggering isn't it ?)

But I won't, ever, pursue any of these guys, as they don't make a profit out of it, they just want some songs on their computers.

I do, however, will legally pursuit anyone doing copies of my records and selling them, they are stealing my profits.

Of course, it's a debate, perhaps for another thread.

[morganhavoc]

in a year or so Hollywood films will be available for legal down loads a few days or even the same day they premiere in theatres. This is not my wild idea, this is a profit stream the studios are going after.

As far as down loading ripped films,usually not worth the trouble, and should be only to preview the film to see if you want to purchase a real copy, if at all.

[Simon]

As above, piracy is piracy, no matter how you cloak it or explain the advantages to the disadvantaged.

The above should be sufficient as the various arguments that say, those downloading it would never otherwise see the film, and those downloading it have, in their eyes, 'seen' it already are irrelevant. Applying these suppositins to profitabilty is going to be impossible. It is Sony's/Eon's property until either paid for through the cinema or DVD.

Done.

[Johnboy007]

Just see the movie in theatres. Surely $5 for a matinee showing (with better picture and far better sound) isn't going to cripple someone's bank account.

[Aces High]

To our member who WOULD consider buying a botleg copy of Casino Royale I assume your seller is only going to charge you for the raw materials?If not ask yourself where is the 'profit' going?..to fund his drug habit,or maybe something worse?
As far as I know I don't think the producers have done something as dishonest,infact what they have done is employ 100's of people,bosted economies of locations that are used ....Ohh & NOT looked at their fan base & thought lets scr*w them..unlike other franchaises & filmstudios I could name.
I'm sorry to hear your disability hold you back from going to the cinema,but I simply cannot except for this you would consider piracy a victimless crime...
Piracy/downloading is theft.
Anyone who steals from the producers of my favorite series of films jeopadies the future of the series & is no friend of mine.

[Thom Paine]

In Indonesia, you can buy a pirated DVD copy of Casino Royale easily today for Rp7000 (less than US$1). It has been around since November 20th.

One of the interesting aspect of the DVD is in its cover. Although using Casino Royale International Poster as a DVD cover, somehow in the front cover they typed "DAVID CRAIG" as the name of the new James Bond.

I haven't check whether the quality of the picture is good or not. Not interested to buy it of course.

The age old debate of copying software and now movies and cd's.

Anyways, to the Indonesia guy.... what's Rp7000 worth in your country? You say it's less than $1 US, but how does that translate to your country? It would seem low for a copy to sell so cheap. How much is a blank DVD?

[erwin2041]

Anyways, to the Indonesia guy.... what's Rp7000 worth in your country? You say it's less than $1 US, but how does that translate to your country? It would seem low for a copy to sell so cheap. How much is a blank DVD?

To give you illustration:
US$1 = +/- Rp9000 - Rp9200

You can buy a blank DVD in Indonesia for Rp3000

If you go to the cinema, usually the ticket price is around Rp17500 - Rp60000.

If you buy the official VCD, the price is around Rp39000 - Rp59000

If you buy the official DVD, the price is around Rp59000 - Rp169000

In other words, the price of pirated DVD in Indonesia is very-very low compared to the official one.

With Rp7000, you can buy Rice + Chicken + a glass of tea in small restaurant.

If you want to buy CheeseBurger + French Fries + Coca Cola Medium Size in McDonald, you can buy it for Rp22500

But for your information also, I believe 70% of Indonesian people still have income less than US$150/month. For them, buying official VCD/DVD or going to the cinema is too expensive. That's why, besides watching television, buying pirated DVD is the prefered choice for them to enjoy entertainment.