A different theory
#1
Posted 19 November 2006 - 11:18 PM
Is it just me, or does M say the phrase 'blunt instrument' as though it's in quotes? As though it has been used before? But it hasn't, in the films. It is, of course, as well all know, Fleming's description of James Bond: "a blunt instrument wielded by a government department". Seeing as M heads that department, it seems a little odd, doesn't it? She's wielding him. So this got me thinking... about codename theory. Is it not simply, and quite brilliantly, that this 'new' Bond, this 'rookie' Bond, has actually *replaced* all the ones we saw before? Ie this M is the same M who was BrosnanBond's boss in the last film. But now BrosnanBond has retired, and he has been replaced... by Ian Fleming's James Bond. Hence, slightly sardonically:
'Perhaps this is too much for a 'blunt instrument' to understand...'
A codename theory we can live with? Which explains Judi Dench's presence in the timeline? Or not?
#2
Posted 20 November 2006 - 01:53 AM
#3
Posted 20 November 2006 - 02:13 AM
#4
Posted 20 November 2006 - 10:03 AM
#5
Posted 20 November 2006 - 10:09 AM
'Perhaps this is too much for a blunt instrument to understand...'
Is it just me, or does M say the phrase 'blunt instrument' as though it's in quotes? As though it has been used before? But it hasn't, in the films. ?
I'm afraid I don't understand what you're getting at in your original post at all. Sorry, but it's probably just me being thick.
But as for the lines I've selected... Miranda referred to Bond as a "blunt instrument" in DAD, didn't she? Or have I imagined that? I must admit, it's ages since I watched DAD,
Edited by dee-bee-five, 20 November 2006 - 10:10 AM.
#6
Posted 20 November 2006 - 10:16 AM
Miranda referred to Bond as a "blunt instrument" in DAD, didn't she? Or have I imagined that? I must admit, it's ages since I watched DAD,
I also remember this... and sadly, I thought the line in CR was a reference to DAD... Must immerse myself more in Fleming's Bond!
#7
Posted 20 November 2006 - 12:03 PM
Oh, read this instead!
http://debrief.comma...showtopic=25267
#8
Posted 20 November 2006 - 05:11 PM
Seems I haven't explained myself too well. My idea was simply that the 'codename theory' is in operation, but that previous actors have played MovieBond and now M has got a new recruit: Ian Fleming's James Bond. He's new to this sort of adventure, and she's heard of his reputation and needs to keep him under control and teach him the rules. That explains how she can be both Brosnan and Craig's superior, and at the same time...
Oh, read this instead!
http://debrief.comma...showtopic=25267
lol, it's back.
#9
Posted 21 November 2006 - 12:47 PM
#10
Posted 21 November 2006 - 01:02 PM
'Perhaps this is too much for a blunt instrument to understand...'
Is it just me, or does M say the phrase 'blunt instrument' as though it's in quotes? As though it has been used before? But it hasn't, in the films. It is, of course, as well all know, Fleming's description of James Bond: "a blunt instrument wielded by a government department". Seeing as M heads that department, it seems a little odd, doesn't it? She's wielding him. So this got me thinking... about codename theory. Is it not simply, and quite brilliantly, that this 'new' Bond, this 'rookie' Bond, has actually *replaced* all the ones we saw before? Ie this M is the same M who was BrosnanBond's boss in the last film. But now BrosnanBond has retired, and he has been replaced... by Ian Fleming's James Bond. Hence, slightly sardonically:
'Perhaps this is too much for a 'blunt instrument' to understand...'
A codename theory we can live with? Which explains Judi Dench's presence in the timeline? Or not?
Works for me.
Note, though, that Craig's Bond says "I wouldn't dream of it" at one point (when Vesper implores him not to go back to the game), and he says it in a very Brosnanesque way - the Brosmeister says the same words to Q in GOLDENEYE when told that he doesn't have a licence to break the traffic laws.
Could CASINO ROYALE be a straight sequel to DIE ANOTHER DAY? Given that Craig looks considerably older than he really is, it would be possible to view him as Brosnan's Bond, and the Bond of GOLDENEYE - DIE ANOTHER DAY has seemingly yet to meet Felix Leiter. 9/11 is referred to in both DAD and CR, anchoring both films in the same "timeline".
There's nothing to say that the B&W PTS of CR necessarily occurs just a few weeks or months before the main body of the film - who's to say that it isn't supposed to be set years earlier? Indeed, the black and white photography surely speaks of the distant, rather than recent, past. The Prague setting suggests the Cold War era.
Now, we know from the GOLDENEYE PTS that Bond has been a Double-O since at least the mid-'80s, which admittedly renders M's "too early to promote you" line a little bizarre (I mean, if he's been a Double-O for almost 20 years!), but it may be that M is still bristling over how rapidly Bond was moved up the ladder "back in the day". It's true that Bond mentions the short life expectancy of Double-Os, but it could be that he's doing so mockingly, drawing attention to his remarkable prowess and amazing achievement in having survived for so long against all expectations.
But, yes, I think the codename theory works well enough, and I imagine that quite a few "casual cinemagoers" will have walked out of CR assuming "James Bond" to be a secret service identity. Or perhaps Craig's character just happens also to be named James Bond - weirder coincidences have happened.
#11
Posted 21 November 2006 - 01:34 PM
James Bond is ONE MAN and ONE MAN ONLY. End of discussion.
#12
Posted 21 November 2006 - 01:35 PM
You do have a point, though, because this is clearly set in 2006 - we see it marked as such at several points. So if this is a straight sequel to DAD, does that mean the scene in which Vesper buys him a dinner jacket is Bond finally wearing *real* Brioni, rather than the knock-offs he is apparently sporting in DAD? And as he apparently isn't even fitted for it, it would seem he has swapped an invisible car for an invisible tailor.
Your theory could help you round the breaking and entering scene, too: such a long-standing agent would have much less trouble. And perhaps he even had a fling with M at some point? There seems to be something going on between them...
Nah. He's Fleming's Bond.
#13
Posted 21 November 2006 - 03:48 PM
#14
Posted 21 November 2006 - 03:51 PM
Any codename theory is inherently and intrinsically faulty and stupid. I refuse to even consider it for a second.
James Bond is ONE MAN and ONE MAN ONLY. End of discussion.
Amen to that.
#15
Posted 21 November 2006 - 04:08 PM
'Perhaps this is too much for a blunt instrument to understand...'
Is it just me, or does M say the phrase 'blunt instrument' as though it's in quotes? As though it has been used before? But it hasn't, in the films. It is, of course, as well all know, Fleming's description of James Bond: "a blunt instrument wielded by a government department". Seeing as M heads that department, it seems a little odd, doesn't it? She's wielding him. So this got me thinking... about codename theory. Is it not simply, and quite brilliantly, that this 'new' Bond, this 'rookie' Bond, has actually *replaced* all the ones we saw before? Ie this M is the same M who was BrosnanBond's boss in the last film. But now BrosnanBond has retired, and he has been replaced... by Ian Fleming's James Bond. Hence, slightly sardonically:
'Perhaps this is too much for a 'blunt instrument' to understand...'
A codename theory we can live with? Which explains Judi Dench's presence in the timeline? Or not?
My brain is bleeding.
#16
Posted 21 November 2006 - 04:15 PM
#17
Posted 21 November 2006 - 04:17 PM
Do Sherlock Holmes fans lie awake at night wondering how Holmes can somehow be William Gillette, Ellie Norwood, Arthur Wotner (with a young actor called Ian Fleming playing Watson... honest!), Basil Rathbone, Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee, Robert Powell, John Neville, Robert Stephens, Fritz Weaver, Peter Cook, Nicol Williamson, John Cleese, Christopher Plummer, Roger Moore, Tom Baker, Jeremy Brett, Ian Richardson, Clive Merrison, Richard Roxbrough, Rupert Everett, and many, many, many, many, many others ALL AT THE SAME TIME?
The sad thing is, if they're also anal Bond fans, they probably do...!
Personally, I'd rather just enjoy the films.
Edited by dee-bee-five, 21 November 2006 - 04:18 PM.