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[MR. BOND 93]

Was the car scene at the end supposed to be longer? Becuase I remember I read some review from a private screening saying that the ending car chase reminded them of Batman begins with Bond not caring about his car and just ramming it into other cars without giving a damn... It might of been a phony review though.

And I hope we see an extended cut of Bond fighting Fisher in the bathroom in the PTS.

[erniecureo]

We also didn't see anything of the station arrival in Montenegro.
There were scenes shot on a station platform (in Prague, I think) and we saw those pictures of them arrivig (Vesper in black coat and hat).

All we get is a scan of the Mill Collonade, and the next scenes is the briefing in the car...

Yes, there was dialogue between Bond and Vesper as they walked toward the limousine (this was the first shot I was (almost) in as an extra). A whole day, and a hundred people...and it's a 2-second overhead shot!

[Problem Eliminator]

I would welcome a three-hour-plus version of the film, because I think the main flaw is that a lot doesn't have time to develop: the pre-credits makes very little sense and is never explained - just a few more seconds would make it gel - and of course Vesper and Bond's love for each other happens very fast. If they added some of this stuff back in to a longer cut, we could be looking at the best Bond film ever made.

Precisely. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I also find it interesting that one of the deleted scenes was featured prominently on the "international B" style print advertising only to be absent from the film- Bond and Vesper's naked swim!

[kneelbeforezod]

Where is that striking shot in the trailer, of Craig's face in close up, while sparks from bullet ricochets go off in the background? That shot always intrigued me in the trailer.

[Vauxhall]

Where is that striking shot in the trailer, of Craig's face in close up, while sparks from bullet ricochets go off in the background? That shot always intrigued me in the trailer.

Yeah, I looked for that shot both times I saw the movie but still no luck. It should have been in the Venice sequence, but not exactly sure where.

[DLibrasnow]

Not much of a deleted scene, but during Bonds first conversation with M, I'd love to see the fashion buyer quip that was in the script.

Oooh yes! I was looking forward to that one.

Please explain for those of us who decided not to read the script ahead of time.

[Vauxhall]

The original dialogue had M complaining that Bond revealed his real name to everyone, thus making it difficult to keep it out of the press. He responded by saying that perhaps he should have stuck to his cover of "Mr Sandy Bizet - fashion buyer" to try and fool them.

[marktmurphy]

Where is that striking shot in the trailer, of Craig's face in close up, while sparks from bullet ricochets go off in the background? That shot always intrigued me in the trailer.

Oh of course- I forgot about that.

[stamper]

What about the last shot of the teaser, with craig alone at the table ? woah hahahaha

[Cody]

I think they actually did cut a bit of Solange acting like she's orgasming out.

Not in the cut I saw.

I think it was in the Moviefone Unscripted interview that Martin Campbell said they cut out a moment where (as Caterina Murino has mentioned), Solange has an orgasm just from Bond's first touch.

A test screening review mentioned that Mollaka spit at Bond before Bond shot him. That wasn't in the theatrical version. Nor was the full-on shot of Craig's hiney that was apparently in at some point.

[Qwerty]

Nor was the full-on shot of Craig's hiney that was apparently in at some point.

What?

[Vauxhall]

Nor was the full-on shot of Craig's hiney that was apparently in at some point.

What?

His perfectly formed... backside. I assume it would have been visible in either the torture scenes or the naked swimming.

[stamper]

A test screening review mentioned that Mollaka spit at Bond before Bond shot him. That wasn't in the theatrical version. Nor was the full-on shot of Craig's hiney that was apparently in at some point.

I actually think they did good by cutting this bit. It's a bit like in all the old movies, where the villain reach for his hidden gun to give an excuse for the hero to kill.

I much prefer the way Bond acts, which comes out of nowhere and help define is character right away.

[DamnCoffee]

On the first TV spot there is a shot of Bond looking out of the window in a tux, i dont think that was included.

[Angel]

The original dialogue had M complaining that Bond revealed his real name to everyone, thus making it difficult to keep it out of the press. He responded by saying that perhaps he should have stuck to his cover of "Mr Sandy Bizet - fashion buyer" to try and fool them.

Hee! I really want to read this now. Can the original script still be found somewhere online?

ETA: Just did a little further reading and realized that this question was probably a complete faux pas. Apologies!

Edited by Angel, 24 November 2006 - 09:34 PM.

[Gri007]

I think the torn card thing might have been a little more confusing. It sounds rather complicated on the official Sony website.

There's a shot in the trailer of a seaplane moving along the water with a speedboat following/next to it. Any ideas where that fits in?

That is as soon as Bond leaves M's flat. We are then taken to the Bahamas and it appears then, just before we see Bond walking out of the plane, with his sunglasses on

We also didn't see anything of the station arrival in Montenegro.
There were scenes shot on a station platform (in Prague, I think) and we saw those pictures of them arrivig (Vesper in black coat and hat).

All we get is a scan of the Mill Collonade, and the next scenes is the briefing in the car...

Yes, there was dialogue between Bond and Vesper as they walked toward the limousine (this was the first shot I was (almost) in as an extra). A whole day, and a hundred people...and it's a 2-second overhead shot!

I did notice you Ernie. fantastic acting. You couldn't have opened the car door more perfectly

[lafemmefantome]

Does anyone have a bit more detail on the deleted scene of Bond going to the hospital? I would like to have seen more instead of him just waking up but then that's me.

Any additional details would be appreciated.

lafemmefantome

[Gag Halfrunt]

A small geeky note of trivia which demonstrates the editing that took place in that section of the movie is that the location name "Montenegro" is flashed up as the train passes through a tree-lined valley, and then we see the train pass through the station "Chur Ost" which in fact would be in Switzerland.

Even more geeky note of trivia: the "Chur Ost" station must be a location in the Czech Republic dressed for the film. What's more, there's no reason why someone would go from London to Montenegro via Switzerland. Of course, geographical logic takes tenth place behind the desire to evoke the glamour and style of the luxury trains that still existed when Ian Fleming wrote the original novel.

I also noticed that the script manages to avoid naming the town in Montenegro where the casino is. I wonder how many viewers will think that "Montenegro" is the town.

Does anyone have a bit more detail on the deleted scene of Bond going to the hospital? I would like to have seen more instead of him just waking up but then that's me.

They filmed a scene where an ambulance arrives at the hospital and Bond, on a stretcher, is carried out of the ambulance and into the hospital. There might be a longer scene inside the hospital as well.

[deth]

They filmed a scene where an ambulance arrives at the hospital and Bond, on a stretcher, is carried out of the ambulance and into the hospital. There might be a longer scene inside the hospital as well.

I wish this had been included in the final cut. It wouldn't have added that much more time would it?

[sorking]

They filmed a scene where an ambulance arrives at the hospital and Bond, on a stretcher, is carried out of the ambulance and into the hospital. There might be a longer scene inside the hospital as well.

I wish this had been included in the final cut. It wouldn't have added that much more time would it?

I'm all in favour of the DVD including an 'extended edition' - but not if the inserts are going to be arbitrary.

The editing of a film is its final re-write, and pace and tone do take priority. That 'tailor' line is too, too self-aware. Nice idea, wrong film. It has no place in ANY version of CR.

Similarly, seeing the arrival at the hospital would have been a huge storytelling mistake. As currently cut, we take the journey WITH Bond. His confusion and helplessness becomes ours. Seeing Bond stretchered around...well, it's coverage. It's the kid of thing you shoot because it's in the script, or just in case you need it. But that doesn't make it a valid inclusion.

I'd happily sacrifice some of the film's pace for an alternate, longer edit. Just so long as scenes like this remain separate, placed on the bonus disc. The team did, in many cases, make exactly the right decisions.

Duration isn't the only reason for cutting...

[Vauxhall]

Even more geeky note of trivia: the "Chur Ost" station must be a location in the Czech Republic dressed for the film. What's more, there's no reason why someone would go from London to Montenegro via Switzerland. Of course, geographical logic takes tenth place behind the desire to evoke the glamour and style of the luxury trains that still existed when Ian Fleming wrote the original novel.

Yes, I believe that it was indeed a station in the Czech Republic dressed up, as the "Chur Ost" station in Switzerland hasn't been built yet. Also, according to the script draft, Bond doesn't get the train from London. He is dropped off by helicopter at a station in the Swiss Alps, where he boards the train, 'replaces' Mr Bliss from the poker syndicate, and then Vesper joins the train later (perhaps at Trieste I think).

[Gag Halfrunt]

Yes, I believe that it was indeed a station in the Czech Republic dressed up, as the "Chur Ost" station in Switzerland hasn't been built yet.

The train used in the film belongs to Czech Railways, so without getting too technical it more or less has to be filmed in the Czech Republic. And when you're making a Bond film with hundreds of crew it's cheaper to make a few signs than to go to Switzerland. (This is also why the Miami airport terminal is actually Prague.)

[marktmurphy]

I'm not convinced that the shot of Dryden walking across the lobby from the trailer is in there. There's a similar shot of him walking past some staircases, but I don't think that ground floor shot is there.

[Vauxhall]

I'm not convinced that the shot of Dryden walking across the lobby from the trailer is in there. There's a similar shot of him walking past some staircases, but I don't think that ground floor shot is there.

Yes indeed. That shot, and a brief exchange of words between the building's security guard and Dryden, has been cut. The action moves directly from Dryden standing outside his car to him in the elevator.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Bond and Vesper's naked swim

How could they delete that scene ???? That's impossible: it appears in the International poster and in the trailers & Tv spots.

[Matt_13]

Have we already mentioned Bond and Vespers discussion about the taxes? That was going to be a pretty funny scene IMO.

"It's so comforting, as a citizen, to know that you care about my taxes."
"Do secret agents pay taxes?"
"As unfair as that may seem.

Vesper smiles to herself.

"What's that in response to?"
"Picturing you filling out your tax form. Does one deduct for bullets and poison darts?"
"Under standard business expenses."

LOL this could've been a great scene.

[Angel]

Have we already mentioned Bond and Vespers discussion about the taxes? That was going to be a pretty funny scene IMO.

"It's so comforting, as a citizen, to know that you care about my taxes."
"Do secret agents pay taxes?"
"As unfair as that may seem.

Vesper smiles to herself.

"What's that in response to?"
"Picturing you filling out your tax form. Does one deduct for bullets and poison darts?"
"Under standard business expenses."

LOL this could've been a great scene.

Hahah! Indeed! That could be great. Do you know if that bit actually got filmed? I hope so; I'd love to see what Craig and Green could do with it, either in an extended cut of the film which leaves that bit in the scene, or in a DVD extra clip!

Edited by Angel, 02 December 2006 - 11:06 PM.

[Qwerty]

Have we already mentioned Bond and Vespers discussion about the taxes? That was going to be a pretty funny scene IMO.

"It's so comforting, as a citizen, to know that you care about my taxes."
"Do secret agents pay taxes?"
"As unfair as that may seem.

Vesper smiles to herself.

"What's that in response to?"
"Picturing you filling out your tax form. Does one deduct for bullets and poison darts?"
"Under standard business expenses."

LOL this could've been a great scene.

Yeah, I'd like to see how it works with the other scenes in the film.

[Matt_13]

Have we already mentioned the change in name of the hotel in the Bahamas from the "One and Only Club" to the "Ocean Club"? Not a big deal, just an interesting change. There was also a shot in the trailers of Bond pistol whipping a guy at the embassy which I didn't see in the final cut. Also I was surprised to see how the end of the Parkour chase was changed. Originally there was going to be a brief exchange of dialogue between Bond and the Bomb maker:

"What's your name? I'm never there when they die, I don't get to know the names. I want to know who died here today."

"The names Bond. What's yours?"

"Mollaka."

"See that? You already had your answer." Then Bond smokes him and shoots the gas tanks. The dialogue would have been sort of repeated in the last scene of the movie, which was handled in a less surprising fasion in the script (We see it through a telescopic site to start, and when Bond calls Mr.White, he answers "Who's this?" and we see the crossaires go from his head to his knee which of couse gets shot. Then on the steps, Bond flips closed the cell phone and says: "The names Bond. James, Bond. What's yours?" as a type of throwback to Madagascar).

[Byron]

Yes, I believe that it was indeed a station in the Czech Republic dressed up, as the "Chur Ost" station in Switzerland hasn't been built yet.

The train used in the film belongs to Czech Railways, so without getting too technical it more or less has to be filmed in the Czech Republic. And when you're making a Bond film with hundreds of crew it's cheaper to make a few signs than to go to Switzerland. (This is also why the Miami airport terminal is actually Prague.)

The train featured looks like a French TGV high speed train. Is it not?
This bothered me because as far as i know there are no TGV type trains operating in Montenegro or any of the former Yugoslavia. The poster above is quite right the train was travelling through Switzerland and not Montenegro as the subtitle indicated.

Also agree - to get to Montenegro from Switzerland by train wouldn't make sense. Having to go through Italy, Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia would take far too long.