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[Gri007]

I went to see Casino Royale last night. It was a fantastic film, and very down to earth. The way he found out who Dimitrios was by checking the CCTV and linking the date and time up on mobile phone was good, and was very clever. They are few minor points that I would have changed.

I would have personally had more dialogue in the shower scene, possably have Bond breakdown as well along with Vesper.

I would have had Bond more brusied and battered after he crashed the DBS.

Torture scene was fine, but the thing that took the realism out of it was he seemed to have had made a quick and remarkable recovery in the hospital, I mean after all he had a hell of a crash and then Le Chiffre thrashes his tackle with a rope, and then he ends up shagging Vepser on the hospital floor

Surely it'll be a bit swollen and he'll be walking like Dr Zoidberg from Futurama, and was there need for a wheel chair that looked liked something from Stingray.

Over all it was fantatastic and Craig certainly made it worth to wait for. His performance was terrific. No way could Peirce have pulled this one off. Not in the direction that the film had gone.

Well Done Craig, Wilson and Broccoli, and Mr Campell why not direct more Bond films

[Harmsway]

I would have personally had more dialogue in the shower scene, possably have Bond breakdown as well along with Vesper.

Really? I thought more dialogue would ruin the moment, and having Bond break down would be over the top. Bond doesn't break down, not after killing. He's too tough. You need to hold off on the outward emotion until the very end.

I would have had Bond more brusied and battered after he crashed the DBS.

*More* bruised and battered?!

Torture scene was fine, but the thing that took the realism out of it was he seemed to have had made a quick and remarkable recovery in the hospital, I mean after all he had a hell of a crash and then Le Chiffre thrashes his tackle with a rope, and then he ends up shagging Vepser on the hospital floor

There was supposed to be an understood long amount of recovery time there (hence the wearing of different outfits from the previous scene). It's clearer in the script, when it describes the moments as weeks apart.

[Loomis]

There was supposed to be an understood long amount of recovery time there (hence the wearing of different outfits from the previous scene). It's clearer in the script, when it describes the moments as weeks apart.

Along the lines of which:

Re: the criticism that CR is actually much less of an origin story for Bond that might be assumed from the publicity, with our hero already seeming pretty seasoned, could it be that the PTS is actually set some years before the main body of the film? I know, I know, this is just a theory, and there's nothing in the film to back it up, but would it not be possible to "read" CR as taking place, say, three or four years into Bond's career as a Double-O (in which case M's "too early to promote you" line would still make sense), as opposed to a few months or weeks into it?

[Harmsway]

Re: the criticism that CR is actually much less of an origin story for Bond that might be assumed from the publicity, with our hero already seeming pretty seasoned, could it be that the PTS is actually set some years before the main body of the film? I know, I know, this is just a theory, and there's nothing in the film to back it up, but would it not be possible to "read" CR as taking place, say, three or four years into Bond's career as a Double-O (in which case M's "too early to promote you" line would still make sense), as opposed to a few months or weeks into it?

Sure. If that's how you wanted to see it, why not? I don't have any issues with that reading of CASINO ROYALE, and had actually considered thinking of it that way myself.

[sorking]

Re: the criticism that CR is actually much less of an origin story for Bond that might be assumed from the publicity, with our hero already seeming pretty seasoned, could it be that the PTS is actually set some years before the main body of the film? I know, I know, this is just a theory, and there's nothing in the film to back it up, but would it not be possible to "read" CR as taking place, say, three or four years into Bond's career as a Double-O (in which case M's "too early to promote you" line would still make sense), as opposed to a few months or weeks into it?

It's a valid reading, though not one that works for me. I think he's still within his first year as a double-O.

Not sure that makes it less an origin story, though. The publicity has been a bit messy on these points - sometimes they forget it's a reboot rather than a prequel, and sometimes 'first novel' is confused for 'first mission'. (Wilson and Broccoli know the books cold - as do Purvis and Wade - so it's not like THEY got it wrong.)

Similarly, then, the film's sometimes sold as 'how Bond got his double-O status', when actually that is, as you say, a pre-credits concerned. It's 'how he became the man we know'. It's just that that's a little more deep, and thius harder to market.

It is harder to market a film about 'James Bond's emotional journey'. But history will judge in the end. Long-term, this film's going to be remembered as one of the best (IMHO), and if a few people feel disappointed or criticise in the opening weeks...well, so be it. At least they paid... :-)

[Gri007]

[quote name='Harmsway' date='17 November 2006 - 18:00' post='649075']
[quote name='Gri007' post='649074' date='17 November 2006 - 11:57']

[quote]Torture scene was fine, but the thing that took the realism out of it was he seemed to have had made a quick and remarkable recovery in the hospital, I mean after all he had a hell of a crash and then Le Chiffre thrashes his tackle with a rope, and then he ends up shagging Vepser on the hospital floor [/quote]
There was supposed to be an understood long amount of recovery time there (hence the wearing of different outfits from the previous scene). It's clearer in the script, when it describes the moments as weeks apart.
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It would have made it clearer if it had said '2 weeks later' and Bond looking a little better