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What the bloody hell was going on?


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#1 Evil Doctor Cheese Returns

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:27 AM

Just saw CR tonight...but I have to ask....what the bloody hell was going on?

I have read the book ages ago and thought I was paying attention but...

At what point did Vesper decide to screw Bond over? From the start? Or after she saved his life at the torture session? And if the later then how does the account number thing come into play?

My brain hurts!

I did - on the other hand - completely understand the start with the bombers which alot of reviewers were confused by.

Absolutely loved it BTW but am completely amused at how much I enjoyed it without - in hindsight - having aclue what was going on. Vesper's betrayal was definitely not as spoonfed as Elektra King's that's for sure!

Help an idiot or offer your support by backing me up on how thouroughly baffling and 24 esque the plot was!!!

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#2 Vauxhall

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:33 AM

Vesper was working for Mr White and the organisation behind him all along, following their capture of her former French-Algerian lover. I assume that Mr White's organisation always intended to end up with the money from the poker game - especially after the death of Obanno. The extent of her relationship and co-operation with Le Chiffre is slightly problematic for me, but this may be dependant on the circumstances behind Mathis' apparent betrayal.

#3 MooreisMore

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:40 AM

Me and a friend are certain Mathis wasn't a traitor. Bond got it wrong.

#4 Evil Doctor Cheese Returns

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:52 AM

It just felt for me that she was distracting Bond during the poker game and may have told Le Chiffre that Bond new his tell...which is surely completely against the plan to get Bond to win them the money. Unless the idea of using the account code to ship the money elsewhere was a back up plan thought up when Vesper was being tortured. Either way she was always going to give the money to Mr White and was always on his side because Mr White had control over/ had captive her algerian boyfriend.

That sounds like a sensible plan.

Then M chucks in the confusing bit at the end about Vesper doing it so that Bond can live...letting Bond live.

Now I've gone cross-eyed again!

G x

Ahhh okay so she was going to help them all along but instead of letting them beat the password out of Bond, Vesper helps Bond live and keep is tackle intact by saying she'll get the password out of him in her own way and then give the money to Gettler. In the casino she always wanted Le Chiffre to win whether she gave away his tell or not. She didn't let Bond have the extra money because she wanted Le Chiffre to win too I suppose?

I'll run my theories past a second viewing and see if they hold up!

Still I suppose some of the alligences questions about Mathis and Vesper will be answered in Bond 22?

If anyone has anything else to add or has any other theories or just agrees that the whole thing was damn confusing however much you enjoyed it then please... be my guest...

G x

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:54 AM

Then M chucks in the confusing bit at the end about Vesper doing it so that Bond can live...letting Bond live.


That bit is kinda weird, probably just thrown in there to make Vesper not seem like a total bitch.

Which makes Bond's response even more suprising o_0.

#6 Evil Doctor Cheese Returns

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:57 AM

Me and a friend are certain Mathis wasn't a traitor. Bond got it wrong.


I suppose that could be true and Vesper was just using "Mathis" as a cover story for being called in by Mr White or Le Chiffre?

I hope they carry on the Mathis storyline in the next one.

G x

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 03:00 AM

I'm not sure if Le Chiffre(he is just a banker, I don't think he had huge ties with anyone but was central their organisation) knew that Vesper was working for Mr. White and the organisation which he works for, I don't think he was even aware of it.
I think Vesper was just a trump card for Mr. White and The associates he works for as if Le Chiffre wins they get their money and if Bond wins...they get their money with Vesper Screwing Bond over after the game.
It was Win-Win for White and The organisation(Guess we'll have to refer to the org. as that til we get a name).
If it wasn't for Felix, Bond wouldn't have gotten back into the game. Vesper was reluntant to buy Bond back in, remember.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 01:09 PM

A problem which just occured to me is this, the big difference between the book and the film is that the British want Le Chiffre for information (in the book they just wanted him out of the way, if I remember correct. So why don't the Secret Service just kidnap him? He's not well protected (as events showed)and it's a lot more straight forward and practical.....of course if they did that they probably wouldn't have a movie but at least there's less fuss! :)

#9 JimmyBond

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 01:11 PM

That was one bit I always had trouble with in the script, why not just leave it as the book?

In any event, I suppose they needed him to go to MI6 willingly, otherwise they were afraid he wouldnt talk.

#10 Evil Doctor Cheese Returns

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 01:37 PM

That was one bit I always had trouble with in the script, why not just leave it as the book?

In any event, I suppose they needed him to go to MI6 willingly, otherwise they were afraid he wouldnt talk.


I think the "wanting him alive" is probably to ramp up the threat of the organisation and gives Mr White a reason to kill him during the torture...if left alive he'd blab for his own safety I suppose.

I want to have all of this information sorted out before I take my parents to see it today and they start asking "what was going on?" lol!

G x

#11 TheREAL008

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 12:54 AM

Me and a friend are certain Mathis wasn't a traitor. Bond got it wrong.


SURE DID. And I think with 22 we might see the strain of trust beteween Mathis and Bond.

BLOODY good picture by the way :)

Edited by TheREAL008, 18 November 2006 - 12:54 AM.


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Posted 18 November 2006 - 03:52 AM

Not convinced. Le Chiffre believed Mathis was his "friend," there was no reason for him to lie about that to Bond when Bond was gonna die (at that point). So why would he think that if it wasn't true? If it was because Mathis was so good at setting him up, wouldn't that be known to MI:6? It almost has to be that way, that Mathis was bad...

Or someone could convince me. :)