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[JCRendle]

Am I right in thinking...

Mr. White is not Le Chiffre's boss. Le Chiffre is a banker for terrorists, he "works for" whoever has given him money at the time.

Mr. White seems to be a middleman for whatever organisation he works for - it is not the Lords Resistance Army. - Think Largo in Thunderball.

Is he going to have a major part in Bond 22? He may have a minor role, but I believe it will be about the bigger organisation - not him.

He may not even be called Mr. White - his name is not mentioned in the film.

[the villain's architect]

I thought Bond >>highlight to read:
shoots him at the end just before he delivers his final line?
Or does he just shoot his kneecap and let him "go"?
Haven't read the script but I thought I read it somewhere here.

[Qwerty]

I thought

Spoiler

Mr. White was killed as well,

but I haven't skimmed the script in a while.

[K1Bond007]

He's a middleman and he's dead. Implied from the script 1) because Bond wouldn't let a guy like that just go. Bond is a 00 now. He kills at his own discretion. It'd be retarded to go through all that to have him turn up in Bond 22. He's not a Largo. He's a Count Lippe. Just another grunt in the organization ensuring things work for their benefit - and 2) it's the same confrontation Mollaka and Bond had earlier earlier. You just don't see the end this time, and why should you. You know what's going to happen and it ends with beautiful dialogue. Also 3) Read the final page of CR to see how vengeful Bond comes off and how it perfectly sets the stage for LALD's more revenge-oriented story. If they go the same direction with Bond's attitude (which I believe they are) - it's game over for this guy. No doubt.

[JCRendle]

Ah, all we "know" is he had his kneecaps shot off, but judging by the earlier scene, we assume he dies - hm, I would have thought he would interrogate him for info first.

[K1Bond007]

Ah, all we "know" is he had his kneecaps shot off, but judging by the earlier scene, we assume he dies - hm, I would have thought he would interrogate him for info first.

And how stupid would Bond look in Bond 22 when M finds out that Bond could have killed him? "So lets see 007: you shot this terrorist's kneecaps off then aimed a gun at him, told him your name, then just let him go on his merry way. This proves I shouldn't have promoted you. Now look who's back, dumbass. You're fired." Bond 22 = Nobody Works Forever.

[JimmyBond]

Well, I believe the only way to have White believably get away would be in a sequence I outlined in another thread:

Basically the whole end of Casino Royale would the next films PTS. The gunbarrel (yes, I assume they'll stick it back on the front of the film) will open on Bond talking to White, however before he can kill White, White's bodygaurds open fire on Bond. And basically it'd be a protracted shoot out in White's villa as he makes an escape.

The only way for Bond to believably "let White go" would be if he was busy defending himself from attackers.

[JCRendle]

Not let him go, interrogate, take him back to HQ, call in M Branch or whatever

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Why waste the time to take him back and interrogate him when Bond could just blows his brains across lake como and jack his cell phone for the info?

[the villain's architect]

Bond 22 = Nobody Works Forever.

LOL

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Here's my theory on it. White is no mastermind but he is a representative for whaterever organization, group or persons who have a vested interest in providing aid to various terror groups, insurgencies, rogue goverments etc. Le Chiffre, while he has his own thing going is represented by White. I think White is in a sense Le Chiffre's handler. Le Chiffre is a finacial agent and does work for White's group and the people they support i.e the LRA. While I think there will be some kind of difinative closer to White's character in Bond 22 I doubt the story will focus on him. And I think White is his real name. It's listed in the cast list in the book Bond on set.

[K1Bond007]

Not let him go, interrogate, take him back to HQ, call in M Branch or whatever

It's Bond though. He's a Double-O now which means the choice is his. He also knows that this son of a bitch, yes the title is apt, had kidnapped his love's former boyfriend and forced her to betray her government and Bond himself whom she fell in love with. Given all that. Would Bond seriously let this man live? Think about that. This is vengeful, pissed off, betrayed, Double-OH-ing-Seven. White is dead.

Well it was not to late. Here was a target for him, right to hand. He would take on SMERSH and hunt it down.
[...]
But now he would attack the arm that held the whip and the gun. The business of espionage could be left to the white collar boys. They could spy, and catch the spies. He would go after the threat behind the spies, the threat that made them spy.

[Simon Beavis]

Why waste the time to take him back and interrogate him when Bond could just blows his brains across lake como and jack his cell phone for the info?

Actually, I would think the hard drive of his PC would have more valuable info.

But I like JimmyBond's scenario. White can go back to his superiors and report who's been behind their recent troubles. They can then sign a FRWL style death warrent.

Ultimately, though, the bigger question is who

Spoiler

Mathis

is working for.

K1, Jimmy's scenario is a good way White can escape without Bond looking incompetent. Likewise, if White is captured so he could be taken in for questioning (the hard drive could've been damaged in a shootout with bodygaurds) but freed by henchmen in transit, that's not really Bond's fault either. But isn't it a two-way street? Wouldn't White's bosses be pissed at his failure?

In any case, the probabilities:

Bond "double taps" White, and consequently he doesn't appear in Bond 22 - 25%

Bond captures White, and he gets put in the "diplomatic bag" and is never seen again (so he doesn't appear in Bond 22) - 25%

Bond captures White (or attempts to), but he is freed by his associates (e.g. JimmyBond's scenario) - 25%

Bond captures White, and his bosses now want him dead so he won't talk. So He must cooperate with Bond to ensure his survival in Bond 22 ( Before the end he would doublecross Bond and get capped for good) - 25%

So the chances for him returning in Bond 22 are 50/50.


K1, as a fellow 24 viewer, Was Bond as pissed as Jack Bauer was when he killed Peter Weller last season? (If he was, then White may indeed be toast)?

Edited by Simon Beavis, 23 October 2006 - 10:59 PM.

[JCRendle]

The freed in transit is too close to MI:3

[Vauxhall]

K1, as a fellow 24 viewer, Was Bond as pissed as Jack Bauer was when he killed Peter Weller last season? (If he was, then White may indeed be toast)?

Personally I think the issue of whether Mr White is killed at the end of CASINO ROYALE will be dependant on the orders he received from M before tracking him down. I imagine that it is likely that he won't have gone behind M's back to nail White following his experiences over the course of the movie (but of course I may be wrong!) Indeed, Bond will definitely be pissed, but the matter is whether he can control his emotions for the greater good of the mission.

[Tuxedo]

Ah, all we "know" is he had his kneecaps shot off, but judging by the earlier scene, we assume he dies - hm, I would have thought he would interrogate him for info first.

And how stupid would Bond look in Bond 22 when M finds out that Bond could have killed him? "So lets see 007: you shot this terrorist's kneecaps off then aimed a gun at him, told him your name, then just let him go on his merry way. This proves I shouldn't have promoted you. Now look who's back, dumbass. You're fired." Bond 22 = Nobody Works Forever.

Exactly! Well said, K1Bond007!

[JCRendle]

M "Well done Bond, I guess my talk after the bomber incident payed off. We have interrogated Mr White and, though he remained stubborn, have managed to get some information. Looks like I was right to promote you when I did"

[Marketto007]

Why waste the time to take him back and interrogate him when Bond could just blows his brains across lake como and jack his cell phone for the info?

Agreed

xxx

[killkenny kid]

Ah, all we "know" is he had his kneecaps shot off, but judging by the earlier scene, we assume he dies - hm, I would have thought he would interrogate him for info first.

And how stupid would Bond look in Bond 22 when M finds out that Bond could have killed him? "So lets see 007: you shot this terrorist's kneecaps off then aimed a gun at him, told him your name, then just let him go on his merry way. This proves I shouldn't have promoted you. Now look who's back, dumbass. You're fired." Bond 22 = Nobody Works Forever.

Priceless.

[Matt_13]

LMAO! Hahahahaha thats wicked funny!

[MR. BOND 93]

I'm really sorry, but who in the hell is Mr. White???

EDIT

wait never mind I figured out who he is

heh

Edited by MR. BOND 93, 29 October 2006 - 07:17 AM.