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[Double-Oh Agent]

Peter Hunt came right out and said he wanted to stick to the novel, so as far as the movie was concerned Bond and Blofeld had never met. You could almost say YOLT and OHMSS are two "parallel" movies as opposed to successive movies (notice how when Bond is emptying out his desk the only film not represented with a prop is YOLT). It's not a plot hole for OHMSS. It's only a plot hole for the series as a whole.

The film Goldfinger isn't referenced in that scene either. Just Honey's knife from Dr. No, Grant's watch from From Russia With Love, and Bond's rebreather from Thunderball.

[dinovelvet]

Peter Hunt came right out and said he wanted to stick to the novel, so as far as the movie was concerned Bond and Blofeld had never met. You could almost say YOLT and OHMSS are two "parallel" movies as opposed to successive movies (notice how when Bond is emptying out his desk the only film not represented with a prop is YOLT). It's not a plot hole for OHMSS. It's only a plot hole for the series as a whole.

The film Goldfinger isn't referenced in that scene either. Just Honey's knife from Dr. No, Grant's watch from From Russia With Love, and Bond's rebreather from Thunderball.

GF was referenced earlier where Bond walks past the janitor who is whistling the GF theme tune. There isn't really a 'gadget' from GF that Bond could randomly pull out of his desk...although it would be funny if he still had that gold bar lying around.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Peter Hunt came right out and said he wanted to stick to the novel, so as far as the movie was concerned Bond and Blofeld had never met. You could almost say YOLT and OHMSS are two "parallel" movies as opposed to successive movies (notice how when Bond is emptying out his desk the only film not represented with a prop is YOLT). It's not a plot hole for OHMSS. It's only a plot hole for the series as a whole.

The film Goldfinger isn't referenced in that scene either. Just Honey's knife from Dr. No, Grant's watch from From Russia With Love, and Bond's rebreather from Thunderball.

GF was referenced earlier where Bond walks past the janitor who is whistling the GF theme tune. There isn't really a 'gadget' from GF that Bond could randomly pull out of his desk...although it would be funny if he still had that gold bar lying around.

I know it was referenced by the janitor's whistle, but the earlier post was about the items found in Bond's desk and in that instance there was nothing for Goldfinger. Besides, in Bond world, how would the janitor know that song he is whistling is actually about 007's enemy Goldfinger? It's just an in-joke, not an actual direct reference as is the desk items. It's much like the James Bond Theme flute playing by Vijay in Octopussy.

By the way, if EON had used an item from Goldfinger, the most logical item, I would think, would be Oddjob's bowler hat. Imagine that hanging on Bond's office hat rack.

[Mr. Du Pont]

You're getting to hung up on this prop point. It was only an aside, not the main thrust of the post.

[DaveBond21]

Interesting question.


George Baker was quite a well known actor on British TV at the time, so for some of us, it was obviously George Baker's voice, because he was better known than Lazenby at the time.


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[Arch Stanton]

Interesting question.


George Baker was quite a well known actor on British TV at the time, so for some of us, it was obviously George Baker's voice, because he was better known than Lazenby at the time.


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ANYONE was better known than Lazenby at the time. So nothings changed...

[Lazenby880]

The 'Making Of' documentary showed that Lazenby would have handled the disguise scenes rather well. However, I cannot say that the use of Baker's voice disturbs me particularly. They did it lots of times during the 1960s, and the dubbing is skilfully executed.

[DaveBond21]

Interesting question.


George Baker was quite a well known actor on British TV at the time, so for some of us, it was obviously George Baker's voice, because he was better known than Lazenby at the time.


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ANYONE was better known than Lazenby at the time. So nothings changed...

LOL, well that is true.

[RazorBlade]

Why did Eon have Laz in the 1st place?

[Double-Oh Agent]

Because he was good looking, a chick magnet, athletic, moved and acted like James Bond, and he was terrific in the fight scenes. In short, he was the best option of all the candidates at the time--certainly of the final five.

[Hass]

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is my favourite Bond film, so I'm obviously happy enough with Lazenby's performance, but...

I'd actually prefer it if the rest of Lazenby's dialogue was dubbed as well.

The charges that Lazenby is "too wooden" only apply to the delivery of his lines. He moves well and handles the action better than any other Bond.

There are some parts of the film where Lazenby pulls the dialogue off (he was improving all the time) and he nails the final scene.

But half the time he is quite stilted and it does detract from the film. Take his first scene with Draco. Draco is dubbed and comes off full of life in this scene. Bond is not dubbed and it sounds like he's reading his lines off a cue card.

I have a little dream where Daniel Craig dubs Lazenby's voice in OHMSS - I can hear how he would deliver the lines in my head already.

People often say OHMSS would be univerally recognised as the best Bond film if Connery starred in it. I say the same would apply if Lazenby's voice was dubbed by Dalton or Craig.

Of course, it's only a dream.

Cheers.

[bond_girl_double07]

The charges that Lazenby is "too wooden" only apply to the delivery of his lines. He moves well and handles the action better than any other Bond.

Uhhh wha?



Connery? Craig?

Whoa!


Welcome to the forum, by the way, Hass

[Hass]

Maybe my sentence structure could be better.

Connery and Craig move better than Lazenby. The 'better than any other Bond part' is for action - and by action I mean fight scenes (the FRWL train-fight notwithstanding).

Lazenby did move well, but obviously he didn't have that panther-like quality that made Connery so dangerous (and sexy).

By the way, I've lurked on the forum for a while, but I finally got tired of not being able to add my opinion. So now that I've joined I've got a whole lot of stored up opinion just waiting to be unleashed

Cheers.

[bond_girl_double07]

Have you seen Casino Royale yet, Hass? If not, I'm wondering if your opinion will be changed by Craig..

[Hass]

Have you seen Casino Royale yet, Hass? If not, I'm wondering if your opinion will be changed by Craig..

Not yet, as it doesn't come out in Australia until the 7th of December.

But I have watched most of the clips on the web (more than is probably healthy, but I couldn't help myself) and I've got to say that I like what I see.

Obviously I'll be able to give a more informed opinion on the merits of Craig's action ability in two weeks time.

Cheers.

[bond_girl_double07]

Have you seen Casino Royale yet, Hass? If not, I'm wondering if your opinion will be changed by Craig..

Not yet, as it doesn't come out in Australia until the 7th of December.

But I have watched most of the clips on the web (more than is probably healthy, but I couldn't help myself) and I've got to say that I like what I see.

Obviously I'll be able to give a more informed opinion on the merits of Craig's action ability in two weeks time.

Cheers.

Let us know

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Those who saw "the making of" will know that George was dubbed during his disguise as Hillary "Hilly" Bray. Do you think Peter Hunt made the right choice here, or should they have kept Lazenby's voice? When Lazenby attempted the voice in the "making of" I personally didn't think it was that bad...

I remember when I first saw On Her Majesty's Secret Service many years ago, it annoyed me that his "voice" all of a sudden changed. It was hard enough to get used to this "new Bond" actor in a very important entry in the series with having to hear another voice. In retrospect, it's too bad that On Her Majesty's Secret Service didn't feature a more experienced Bond actor like Dalton or Craig. Lazenby would have fared better in a more action oriented entry like You Only Live Twice or Tomorrow Never Dies.

[FlemingBond]

They should have kept Lazenby's voice. Given that both characters are English, and Blofeld has not met Sir Hillary, why would Bond change his voice anyway?

[moorebond82]

Well they hired lazenby to play bond well let him play bond and that means speaking the lines. And as far as OHMSS being perfect if connery would have been in it i don't buy that. Connery was greying at the time and was starting to pudge a little bit i think it would have been worse for wear if sean starred in it at that point.

Edited by moorebond82, 18 December 2006 - 10:42 AM.

[Keir]

I couldn't tell it was dubbed! I was curious as I wanted to see how well I would pick up his Antipodean lilt...

[Hitokiri]

I couldn't tell it was dubbed! I was curious as I wanted to see how well I would pick up his Antipodean lilt...

I didn't realize it was dubbed untill later. I just thought he sounded different in that segment because it was an older film.

[Agent Carter]

Those who saw "the making of" will know that George was dubbed during his disguise as Hillary "Hilly" Bray. Do you think Peter Hunt made the right choice here, or should they have kept Lazenby's voice? When Lazenby attempted the voice in the "making of" I personally didn't think it was that bad...

I agree. They should have kept it in. More Lazenby the better.
He DID do a good job of imitating "Sir Hillary".

[dodge]

True confession time: I'd seen OHMSS a half dozen times before I joined the forum. And the thought had never crossed my mind that Lazenby's voice had been dubbed. I reviewed the film over the weekend, armed with my new knowledge. The purist in me agreed with most that Laz' voice should have been kept--especially since, by most accounts, his impersonation was dead-on. But as I watched this time I really was stunned by how seamlessly they pulled it off. I still wouldn't have known if I hadn't been told! And
I gave props to Lazenby: far from being a stick of wood as an actor, he'd transformed himself physically into Sir Hillary Bray. An uncanny bit of mimicry. I wish he'd stayed around.

[RazorBlade]

I confess to being a Connery snob for years and years. I was a Daltonite too, wandering the desert dressed in animal skins eating locuts and honey shouting to all who would hear. Then I had to get a job. So while I still think Sir Sean is the standard by which all others are judged, and that because he was a movie star (in the most postive sense) playing the role, I have come to appreicate the other actors as well. I gotta say, I have lotsa luv for the Laz. I mean, you gotta luv Laz. If there were a JB TV series I would call it, "I Love Laz". But seriously, Dubbing? Do tell.