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[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

'Bond 22' Pushed To 7 November 2008 Release

_{May release reportedly dropped; back to standard two year break}

[Bryce (003)]

I've been enjoying the fall release dates anyway. Fine by me.

004 will be happy too. It'll be his birthday present in 2008.

[MarcAngeDraco]

I've been enjoying the fall release dates anyway. Fine by me.

Ditto, for me...

[Gobi-1]

One word I'm getting sick of hearing in association with the Bond movies is "delayed" for the last seven years that's all we've heard.

Die Another Day was pushed backed from 2001 to 2002 to celebrate the 40th Anniversary. That wasn't too bad except they didn't go back to the two year schedule. Instead of 2004 Casino Royale was delayed to 2005 and then delayed till 2006.

And now Bond 22 has been delayed as well, but since they're be back to two year intervals I just hope EON sticks with it.

[tdalton]

While it's a shame that Bond 22 won't be a summer release, I can't say that I'm too terribly upset that it's going to be another fall release. As long as they stick with the 2 year intervals, it doesn't really matter to me what time of year the film is released.

[Turn]

As long as they stick with the 2 year intervals, it doesn't really matter to me what time of year the film is released.

That's what I say. We fans who had to suffer through a collective 10 years over the past 16 (6 between LTK and GE and 4 between DAD and CR) due to gaps in the series can actually breathe easier in this way.

Then again, if it's going to mean a quality, and not just a thrown-together, Bond film, I don't mind longer gaps.

Personally, I like Bond being associated with the fall season. It's not just a product, like most other summer releases. That's part of the problem the series suffered when it began declining in popularity in the '80s.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Couldn't they do Aug 1-7? Dang.

[Qwerty]

While it's a shame that Bond 22 won't be a summer release, I can't say that I'm too terribly upset that it's going to be another fall release. As long as they stick with the 2 year intervals, it doesn't really matter to me what time of year the film is released.

Pretty much agreed. At least it's staying in 2008.

[the dark knight]

With respect, all posters are missing the point. There is no precedent to announce the release date of any subsequent Bond film when the current Bond film has yet to be released. No future yet-to-made Bond film has had its release date announced. If I am wrong, please quote me an example. I can't find one.

This isn't an anti-Craig comment even if some people take it to be one; but if Craig's Casino Royale struggles to make enough money/break even/produce profit it's unlikely Bond 22 will be out in 2008. If there's a quick change from Craig to someone like Henry Cavill, perhaps Sony will have enough confidence to stick with the Nov 2008 release date but things rarely run that smooth. Examples being - Casino Royale was scheduled for November 2005, not November 2006. Bond 22 scheduled for summer 2008, now winter 2008. Dates change because circumstances force such change.

The news that Bond 22 - starring Daniel Craig as James Bond - will be out Nov 2008 is not certain, far from it. It won't matter if Steven Spielberg is the director, it won't matter if the screenplay is the best there's ever been, the release date of Craig's second Bond film is entirely dependent on Casino Royale being a success. And if Craig isn't a hit and removed, Eon and Sony will have to do some good public relations spin to explain why they announced Daniel Craig's second Bond film release date.

The announcement of Craig's second Bond film is public relations 'sell' to convince the public he's the right choice, he's great as Bond. But it's just that - a marketing gimmick. Not even Connery, Moore or Brosnan - when at the height of their popularity - had future Bond film release dates announced whilst one of their current Bond films was still in production. Why does Craig get special attention? Answer: it's a marketing gimmick to sell Craig to the public, to give the impression Sony and Eon have great faith in him. But their faith is not enough. The audience will decide if Craig makes a second Bond film - not Eon and Sony.

[Gobi-1]

Pretty much agreed. At least it's staying in 2008.

For now. EON still has plenty of time to push it back some more.

[Double-0-Seven]

While it's a shame that Bond 22 won't be a summer release, I can't say that I'm too terribly upset that it's going to be another fall release. As long as they stick with the 2 year intervals, it doesn't really matter to me what time of year the film is released.

Pretty much agreed. At least it's staying in 2008.

I agree as well. After all, having to wait two years is still much better than having to wait four.

[Tiin007]

My problem isn't the lack of a summer release date; it's having to wait another 6 months. We've waited long enough for CR, and I was hoping that they could compensate for the past 4 years by giving us another Bond film quickly. I console myself by saying that at least the quality of the movie might be better this way.

[DamnCoffee]

If the 007 stage at pinewood wasn't burnt down would the release date still be effected?

[Genrewriter]

I've been enjoying the fall release dates anyway. Fine by me.

004 will be happy too. It'll be his birthday present in 2008.

Same here. I can't complain about a Bond film being released on my birthday.

[Harmsway]

What I would like to see is EON get back to some of the traditions of old. You know, announcing the titles at the end of each film, etc....

I'd definitely freak out if EON included a "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN IN ____________" at the end of CASINO ROYALE.

[Publius]

The audience will decide if Craig makes a second Bond film - not Eon and Sony.

It would have to do fairly poorly by non-Bond standards for that to be the case, and the odds are stacked decisively against that happening. The only reason two of the Bond actors past had such short stints is that they quit, one out of narcissism and bad judgment, the other out of frustration in waiting for an unrelated studio dispute to be resolved and lack of interest.

Anything over mediocre (but less than a smash hit), and they'll stick with Craig while looking at changing the formula back to popcorn-fare (like TND). Anything approaching a respectable hit, even if less than what one of Brosnan's would have made today, and I think it's safe to say we'll see Bond 22 continue on from where Casino Royale left off, no questions asked.

They've taken enough risks so far that dropping Craig like a bad habit at the first sign of trouble would not only make zero sense, but could possibly throw the entire series into an indefinite tailspin.

[stamper]

Recast the role ? Change directions at the drop of a hat ? Thanks god none of you guys are productions executives, the franchise would be killed before any new movies comes out.

Comes to think of it, many guys like you are executive indecisions, reasons why many movies just fails...

[Simon]

I think a release date can only be considered 'reasonably' reliable once the production has started filming. Until then, anything can impact it.

One could, in the meanest of lights, state that the advance announcement of this date is akin to Jinx spin-off PR type comments of a confidence giving nature. But I doubt this one - however, all too speculative to get overjoyed or upset about.

[DaveBond21]

November 2008 is fine with me....I think it feels more like a Bond movie time of year....

[Scottlee]

The audience will decide if Craig makes a second Bond film - not Eon and Sony.

The chances of Craig leaving after one film are pretty much zero. CR would have to stink far worse than I think it's capable of stinking for a sacking to commence. Won't happen.

[Tiin007]

When they had anounced Bond 2.2's release date as May 2, 2008, we had all hoped that CR would conclude with "James Bond will return in ________." But now that it's been delayed until November 7, do you think there is still a chance of us learning Bond 2.2's title at the end of CR?

[Scottlee]

do you think there is still a chance of us learning Bond 2.2's title at the end of CR?

It's possible they might be wanting to announce the next title on the CR credits, I suppose. They surely must already secretly know the Bond 22 title. Yeah, it could happen.

[DaveBond21]

do you think there is still a chance of us learning Bond 2.2's title at the end of CR?



It's possible they might be wanting to announce the next title on the CR credits, I suppose. They surely must already secretly know the Bond 22 title. Yeah, it could happen.

Yes, I guess all they would need to know would be the title. However, they wouldn't commit themselves to a title if they weren't 100% sure.

[Qwerty]

do you think there is still a chance of us learning Bond 2.2's title at the end of CR?

It's possible they might be wanting to announce the next title on the CR credits, I suppose. They surely must already secretly know the Bond 22 title. Yeah, it could happen.

I'd absolutely love that. I imagine it would get a huge round of applause once discussion got going on the forums about it.

[DaveBond21]

I'd absolutely love that. I imagine it would get a huge round of applause once discussion got going on the forums about it.

JAMES BOND WILL RETURN IN "RISICO".


or whatever Bond 22 will be called.


That would get a round of applause in cinemas all over the world...!!!

[Qwerty]

Oh, quite.

[Publius]

Quite frankly, I think it would be a mistake to change the tone so quickly after CR, unless the film just performs absolutely poor.

Well, I said TND "popcorn-fare" as opposed to DAD "popcorn-fare" for a reason, namely because I think TND was a much stronger movie with only modest weaknesses. If it wasn't for the anarchy that apparently surrounded its production, I think there was some fantastic potential to be realized.

So, basically, a "profitable" but mediocre box office performance by CR (say an OHMSS or Octopussy), and I think Bond 22 will "lighten up" to a noticeable but not extreme extent, as in the personal angle could be played down despite there being a meaty plot and depth of character and whatnot. And not just from a desire to please the public more, but also because, well, where do you go after CR? and is there any way to "top" it on its own terms?

Otherwise, I completely agree with you on everything else you said in that post (imagine that). Would've replied sooner, but I don't check the Bond 22 forum enough.

[DaveBond21]

Haven't all the Bond movies had a "personal angle" since LTK?


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[Publius]

Haven't all the Bond movies had a "personal angle" since LTK?

To an extent, yeah, but I don't think it was all that significant in TND or DAD. TWINE was just emotional and an attempt at something of a love story, almost in the vein of CR when you think of it. Aside from LTK and GE, I think the Bond films since OHMSS have been largely devoid of truly "personal" stuff.

[Santa]

Quite frankly, I think it would be a mistake to change the tone so quickly after CR, unless the film just performs absolutely poor.

So, basically, a "profitable" but mediocre box office performance by CR (say an OHMSS or Octopussy), and I think Bond 22 will "lighten up" to a noticeable but not extreme extent, as in the personal angle could be played down despite there being a meaty plot and depth of character and whatnot. And not just from a desire to please the public more, but also because, well, where do you go after CR? and is there any way to "top" it on its own terms?

I would like to see some change in tone, simply because I don't want to see the same film over again in two years. What I'd like to see is remnants of CR, as in the effect the experience had on Bond, so it's there, but for the next film to be more plot driven rather than romance driven. I'd like to see a really strong and almost believable plot - not megalomaniacs taking over the world, but something Bond has a chance to really sink his teeth into so we can see some good spying sequences. In any case it would be natural for Bond to pull back with women after what happened with Vesper, he's not going to jump straight back in to 'true love', it would be far more fitting to the character to become harder and colder and use women for the momentary pleasure he can find in them (it's also how I happen to prefer Bond ). So I hope Bond 22 has a really strong plot - OK, stealing nuclear bombs wouldn't work these days, but the premise behind, say, Thunderball or Goldfinger worked at the time. Let's find something similar for today, as they have done for CR, but larger, and have romance not be a part of it. Go back to Bond girls who are part of the plot, rather than being the plot itself.