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[DamnCoffee]

Who do you think is the worst ever bond villain - mine is koskov of TLD
- the character is weak and his acting is terrible, koskov is the weakest character in the dalton era and he didn't even get a death which every bond villain deserves

[Pam Bouvier]

I didn't care for Elliot Carver: Acts like a baby and has Paris killed, when all he really knew was she had slept with Bond BEFORE they were married BFD.
Also, acts like a baby when, after having the c**** beat out of Bond, surprise, surprise, there's pay back duh!

Give me true evil..like Grant, Kleb, Sanchez, of course BLOFELD, NOT a crybaby!

[Thunderfinger]

The villains in DAD were all dreadful in the wrong way.Just as bad as Jaws in Moonraker.

[Qwerty]

Koskov and Whitaker in The Living Daylights.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I didn't mind Koscov because he was a bit of a shaister and a weasel and that was *new* at the time for a Bond villian. I didn't like Carver, Renard,or Gustav Graves...but 006 was awesome and they shoulda kept him alive or more films.

[Qwerty]

More and more it seems like everyone dislikes Graves. I'm wondering if it's solely based on Stephen's performance or the negativity that often seems to float around Die Another Day.

[Tarl_Cabot]

More and more it seems like everyone dislikes Graves. I'm wondering if it's solely based on Stephen's performance or the negativity that often seems to float around Die Another Day.

Graves is lame mostly because of the science fiction behind him...I liked the sword fight scene alot though.

[Qwerty]

Yes, that's probably my pick as well. One of the best scenes in the film. Really wasn't too fond of the final fight between him and Bond.

And I was rooting for Frost in the other fight, so...

[The Dove]

My choice would have to be Kristatos.. he was just too much of a nice guy villain to me.. Gustav Graves wasn't bad, but too much over the top, especially that end fight with Bond.

[Monkeyfoahead]

Graves and the linking between him and Zao in DAD was hard to figure out. They should have gone into more detail, So I think that they were both the worst bond villans ever.

[Tarl_Cabot]

My choice would have to be Kristatos.. he was just too much of a nice guy villain to me.. Gustav Graves wasn't bad, but too much over the top, especially that end fight with Bond.

What??? A FYEO fan dissing Kristatos....

[Spurrier]

Could anyone take the midget in TMWTGG seriously?

[K1Bond007]

Whitaker (TLD, although I still love the film regardless) and Graves (DAD).

[saltnpepper]

DAF villains including Gray's Blofeld lacked of personality.

[Vanish]

1) Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever - To paraphrase a critic on the subject, he seems like he'd feel more comfortable puttering around in his garden than posing a thread to the world, or even 007 himself.

2) Kristatos - Julian Glover is a fine actor, but this might be the single most underwritten villain role in the series. He's just not given any chance to shine, and is just sort of "there."

3) Renard in TWINE - The second most underwritten villain in the series. There's just nothing unique about either Carlyle's performance or the role itself - He's a standard issue baddie.

Any of those three would be my choice for the weakest villain in the series.

[Loomis]

Renard. Bad writing, bad performance. Makes Graves look like Goldfinger.

[DamnCoffee]

Makes Graves look like Goldfinger.

what, Fat and old

[Scottlee]

There are loads of Bond villains you could cite as being silly, miscast, out of place, or just plain ridiculous. Just depends on your tastes really.

My choice, maybe only for today, is the tanker captain in TSWLM. Not only does he not have a name, but when he dies he does this tacky line "You're too late Bond!..." and then rolls over and becomes still. lol

[DaveBond21]

Who do you think is the worst ever bond villain - mine is koskov of TLD
- the character is weak and his acting is terrible, koskov is the weakest character in the dalton era and he didn't even get a death which every bond villain deserves

Koskov does die. He is dead by the end of the movie. Pushkin orders his remains to be sent back in a diplomatic bag.


My least favourite baddies are:-

Graves (DAD) - Hugh Grant-a-like!!

Blofeld (DAF) - Blofeld in drag, nooooo!!!!!

Whitaker (TLD) - even harder to watch him now that we have seen him as Wade in GE and TND!!!

[Andrew]

1. Gray's Blofeld
2. Gustave Graves
3. Renard
4. Whitaker (this just shows that the film didn't even need a good villian to be one of the best)

[The Richmond Spy]

Here's my rankings (1 being the weakest):

1) TLD's
2) Renard ("Not from him".....I still wonder who the Cigar Girl was talking about...could it have been that wimp Renard?)
3) FYEO's


Honorable mentions: DAF's & DAD's

[Double-Oh Agent]

I don't know that I would call him the worst ever Bond villain, but I would say that Robert Carlyle's Renard was probably the one villain who was the most underdeveloped/undercut by the film/script.

He's made out to be some really tough S.O.B. who's one of the world's deadliest terrorists who also happens to have a bullet in the brain that causes him to feel no pain. And yet by the end of film he's basically just a lovesick puppy who's doing one final deed for the woman he loves. It totally undercuts his evilness and makes him a more sympathetic character. As a result, it shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bond villains (or henchmen) should never be in love.

It just makes you wonder what Renard's character might have been (and probably improved people's perceptions of The World Is Not Enough as well).

[MarcAngeDraco]

Koskov does die. He is dead by the end of the movie. Pushkin orders his remains to be sent back in a diplomatic bag.

Interesting, I never interpreted it that way...

[pgram]

With the exception of Sanchez, who was excellent, the last Bonds have villains each time worse than their predecessor.

Koskov and Whitacker were really misconceived and badly written. It is a pity because they had the potential to be really menacing. The acting was bad as well, but I think it has to do with the way the characters were written, and not the actors (Krabbe was really menacing in No Mercy)
OO6- if that wasn't a cheessy idea I don't know what is (once more, not Bean's fault). But having 006 as a villain is so obvious an idea as having, say, Blofeld's relatives, or Bond's parents or sons or a villainous M and so on. Completely wrong. And why would they have to be friends, just because they are both 00s? And, if the point was that the villain is Bond's equal, they should have to avoid personal armies and hidden bases (if they had just watched TMWTGG just once they would know what it means to be Bond's equal). GE would be a far better film with Ouroumov as the main villain.
And of course the last three. I won't say much more about them since the films they appeared in (especially DAD) are way beyond criticism. But I still want to know: Whose idea was it that Robert Carlyle could look menacing? And to have a one to one fight in the end? I could beat the guy with one hand and still write text messages on my phone with the other. What was the matter with these guys- producers, writers, directors, casting directors? Doesn't the name Oddjob ring a bell to them?

[dee-bee-five]

More and more it seems like everyone dislikes Graves. .

Not "everyone". I liked Graves and Toby Stephens' portrayal. The idea that he had modelled himself on Bond, but only succeeded in absorbing the more dislikeable aspects of the character was quite neat.

And it amuses me that many posters complain about the allegedly under-developed villains of the Brosnan films because the prevailing mood amongst fans seems to be to diss every aspect of the Brosnan era. But is anyone seriouslysuggesting that Mr. Big/Kananga or Stromberg or Drax are more fully-developed characters than Carver or Renard or Graves? The former are all pantomime villains, in my opinion, though none the less entertaining for that.

Koskov and Whitacker were really misconceived and badly written. The acting was bad as well, but I think it has to do with the way the characters were written.

I couldn't disagree more about Koskov. He was a departure from the norm and all the better for it. His sudden turning on Kara when he delivers her and Bond to the Russians at the airbase is all the more chilling because of the patina of charm and affability that has gone before - and twice as effective as Stromberg sitting in a chair pushing buttons.

[secret_007]

Gustav Graves the weakest bond villain ever. This guy cant even fight and he is so weak.

[DamnCoffee]

I wasn't that keen on Blofeld in DAF now that was a weak Villain

[I Like Sharks]

Gustav Graves the weakest bond villain ever. This guy cant even fight and he is so weak.

The ending...possibly. The sword fight...definatly not

[DLibrasnow]

Renard in TWINE

[Quest]

What really kills a Bond villian is hammy acting. If the actor is able to walk the tightrope and make you believe he is like this, regardless of his lack of presence & character - example Renard or Koskov - at least you believe in them as characters.

I thought Graves, Zorin & Carver - even though good actors played these parts - were awful. Very hammy. You never believed this wasn't some actor "going over the top - it's a Bond movie - it should be HUGE!"

Ugh....