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[SeanValen00V]

It would be great if they followed a book closely, but taking small things out of the books, is ok if the film is good, like Living Daylights, or if the film could of benefited more, like TND could of done with a extra 20 minutes of Carver and Bond, because there's so much action, you need more time to settle in to some characters.

[Blue Eyes]

I also think the "switch blades" were used in...Cold?

From what I understand, the company who made the switchblades for DAD came up with the idea, offered to make them and they were then incorporated into the script.

[Mr. Kidd]

Thanks for starting this thread,Zencat. I was Big time into the Gardner novels in the eighties and nineties and read each several times over. When I first saw AVTAK I had this nagging feeling that I had seen some
of these scenes and visual images in Bond material before, but did not
immediately make the connection until I want back and read LR & FSS
and it hit me that EON borrowed items almost directly. Same with the
Bond/Caber fight from LR and Bond/Necros fight from TLD! Why not
just start adopting the Gardner novels for film?

[James Boldman]

I just realized that the walking stick gun carried by Zukovsky may be based on the walking stick gun carried by David Dragonpol (NSF).

[kevrichardson]

Fro what i have been told on this thread and how gather else where . They (EON) can use the Gardner continuation novel a source material . Plus i would guess that Purvis and Wade have read them.

[zencat]

Originally posted by James Boldman
I just realized that the walking stick gun carried by Zukovsky may be based on the walking stick gun carried by David Dragonpol (NSF).

Hey! Nice find! I'll add this to my list.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by zencat
Gardner talks a lot about this game he had to cut. It's too bad. It was supossed to be a highlight of the book--like the golf game in Goldfinger. Wouldn't it be great if they released a "restored" edition of ROH with the original game sequence intact? Yeah, like that will happen...

Yes i read this also . I guess once 9/11 is just a long bad memory , the skyjacking in "For Special Services" ( the best of any thing Garnder wrote) might make it into a Bond film .

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by James Boldman
the walking stick gun carried by Zukovsky may be based on the walking stick gun carried by David Dragonpol.

Isn't that a gadget originally from Casino Royale?

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Roebuck

Isn't that a gadget originally from Casino Royale?

Yes it is from "Casino Royale" . Just before the final card-battle between Bond and LeChiffre . One of the Buglars walks up behind him(Bond) and warns him to withdraw from playing . It's a nice scene in the book . Very early Fleming , still works well for fiction .

[kevrichardson]

Zencat i have a silly question . Why not just use some of the Gardner countiuation novels ? Especially since Purvis and Wade lack some degree of originality when it comes to James Bond screenplays . The first five novels ,plus a few of the later one would work rather nicely .

[zencat]

I agree. I have no idea why they haven't adapted the continuation novels.

[DLibrasnow]

This is such a great thread. I remember watching "A View to a Kill" at the movie theater and thinking they should have given Gardner a credit. Something along the lines of "Screenplay by Richard Maibaum and Micael G. Wilson,
Based on original elements by John Gardner"

I think the most obvious lift is the villains con at the racecourse in LR and the villains con at the racecourse in AVTAK.

[DLibrasnow]

I decided to put together a comprehensive list compiled from all the points made in this thread:

LICENSE RENEWED (1981):
Book: James Bond gets his first glimpse of villain industrialist Anton Murik at England

[zencat]

Thanks DLibrasnow. I just did the same thing in an all new thread. But I like this here so I deleated my new thread and renamed this one (I didn't like saying that Eon was"ripping off" the books).

[DLibrasnow]

OOoooops...
Great minds think alike

[zencat]

Somewhere I did a several point comparison between Benson's The Facts of Death and TWINE, but now I can't find it. I would have liked to include it.

[DLibrasnow]

I think I found your comparison between Benson and TWINE...The thread title is Deja Vu and it was started by Jacques Nexus.

[zencat]

Got it. Added it. Thanks.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Brilliant stuff, Darren.

When zencat incorporates his stuff from the other thread this list will be very comprehensive indeed.

Do I detect an underlying (previously hidden but glaringly revealed) trend in this list?

[zencat]

Originally posted by Blofeld's Cat
When zencat incorporates his stuff from the other thread this list will be very comprehensive indeed.

That is the comprehensive list. My stuff is already in there.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Originally posted by zencat

That is the comprehensive list. My stuff is already in there.

Sorry, my mistake.

Sometimes related comments in diference threads are hard to follow in proper chronological order.

Wonder if one could write a coherent enough Bond script or story that includes all in the list.

Call it "Dr. Bondstein's Monster."

[Blofeld's Cat]

[quote]Originally posted by DLibrasnow
DEATH IS FOREVER (1992)
I found no similarities here, but isn

[zencat]

It's like this book never made it into Eon's collection. Same is true of NSF (the next year), except for the walking stick idea used in TWINE. But that really came from CR.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by zencat
It's like this book never made it into Eon's collection. Same is true of NSF (the next year), except for the walking stick idea used in TWINE. But that really came from CR.

I left that in the list because there's no evidence they didn't use that element from NSF.

[General Koskov]

WLOD involves Bond having a shootout in the rock of Gibralter, TLD has the chase on the rock of Gibraltar.

In both COLD and TWINE a girl gets Stockholm Syndrome and falls in love with an ugly, evil man. (Sukie Tempesta and Elektra King are the equivalents.)

In both LR and DAD, the villain executes his nefarious plot from a large aeroplane, out of which people fall.

In both Icebreaker and TWINE there is a mock attack on the villainess-to-be while she skis (and Bond uses a gadget to help both times).

[zencat]

Originally posted by General Koskov
WLOD involves Bond having a shootout in the rock of Gibralter, TLD has the chase on the rock of Gibraltar.

Trouble with this one is WLOD came out after TLD. Maybe we should start a thread about how Gardner stole from Eon? For the record, I like the Gardner Gibralter action much better because he goes INSIDE the rock. I had no idea there's a whole small world inside there.

Originally posted by General Koskov
In both COLD and TWINE a girl gets Stockholm Syndrome and falls in love with an ugly, evil man.  (Sukie Tempesta and Elektra King are the equivalents.)

But this one is great!

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by zencat

Trouble with this one is WLOD came out after TLD. Maybe we should start a thread about how Gardner stole from Eon? For the record, I like the Gardner Gibralter action much better because he goes INSIDE the rock. I had no idea there's a whole small world inside there.

But this one is great!

Any way we can add that one (about the Stockholm Syndrome) to the list?

I agree that Gardner did the Gibralter bit better

[Cesari]

you forget:
The original title chosen by Raymond Benson for The facts of death was: The world is not enough.
The title of The world is not enough is...

[zencat]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
Any way we can add that one (about the Stockholm Syndrome) to the list?

I added it, and I moved the whole master list to the #1 post so people can find it easily. I also zapped all my periodic "updates" so this thread is now all master list and discussion. I can also keep adding to the top master list as we go.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by zencat

I added it, and I moved the whole master list to the #1 post so people can find it easily. I also zapped all my periodic "updates" so this thread is now all master list and discussion. I can also keep adding to the top master list as we go.

That's pretty sweet...Quite compelling evidence really.