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[License To Kill]

Quite possible, crheath!

[shady ginzo]

I personally think Alec at least planned for Bond to escape. ultimatly he doesn't want bond dead, thet are friends, hpwever much alec disapproves of Bond's "queen and country" principles.

the scene as it transpires points only to one plan alec could have had in mind; that he knew bond would not join his scheme of betrayal (as he mentioned in the later scene where the two meet again) but despite this did not want to kill a man he saw as a peer, their rivalry was intense, but up to this point, friendly.

I believe alec intentionally planned for Bond to have a means of escape, and by instructing James to "blow them all to hell" was encouraging him to play into this plan. therefore alec would need to fake his death with the blank shot (which you can suppose to be a high tech, un-lethal variety) so as to be able to disappear.

why did the russians play along with this plan? well I'd imagine it was the price of Trevelyns defection (a valuable one) and up to the point where alec is "killed" they had not choice to play along, after that, bond's escape is down to bond's ingenuity, but granted by a parting gift from Alec.

9 years later Alec's oppinions of bond are only changed by Bond's actions. Mission above the Friend, as Bond raises his gun to kill alec. only then does Alec try to kill bond in the helicopter.

[MR. BOND 93]

Yeah the whole GoldenEye plot was ed up.

Why would a guy be mad at his partner for not saving his life when he knew that he wasn't going to die? There's no point!

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

Towards the end of the PTS in Goldeneye, we see Alec Trevelyan get shot in the head by Ourmouve. How the hell did he live? Was the shot a blank? This has been bothering me for a while so please someone enlighten me on the situation, thanks.

Matt

To this day it makes absolutely no sense to me and that's why I can't rate Goldeneye too high because of it's ilogical and incoherent script.And I don't get why Alec would be 'mad' at Bond for doing what he did after presumably seeing his friend shot dead.

I'm right there with you guys.

[Gri007]

What I would have liked was Dalton to play Bond in the PTS. It would make sense, seeing that Archangle took place 9 years before the present date. I should imagine the story was set in 1995, there fore making Archangle in 1986, when Dalton was crowned as 007. Roger Moore would have just skimmed the date I think. But hving Roger Moore play Bond in PTS would be wrong.

Wow, with in 9 years James Bond has a face lift

[Willowhugger]

Yeah the whole GoldenEye plot was ed up.

Why would a guy be mad at his partner for not saving his life when he knew that he wasn't going to die? There's no point!

Because his whole plot is to probably disable the bomb after Bond escapes. However, instead, James changes the timer and blows off his face and probably ruins his defection.

[Major Tallon]

Except for his urging Bond to "Finish the job, James. Blow them all to hell." In other words, don't wait, blow the charges now. So why is he angry that Bond actually halved the time to three minutes? I enjoy many things about GE, but this aspect of the plot, and it's the key to Alec's entire motivation, just makes no sense. Add the other obvious plotting problems, and it's no wonder we're all scratching our heads more than a decade after the movie was released.

[AgentPB]

I personally think Alec at least planned for Bond to escape. ultimatly he doesn't want bond dead, thet are friends, hpwever much alec disapproves of Bond's "queen and country" principles.

the scene as it transpires points only to one plan alec could have had in mind; that he knew bond would not join his scheme of betrayal (as he mentioned in the later scene where the two meet again) but despite this did not want to kill a man he saw as a peer, their rivalry was intense, but up to this point, friendly.

I believe alec intentionally planned for Bond to have a means of escape, and by instructing James to "blow them all to hell" was encouraging him to play into this plan. therefore alec would need to fake his death with the blank shot (which you can suppose to be a high tech, un-lethal variety) so as to be able to disappear.

why did the russians play along with this plan? well I'd imagine it was the price of Trevelyns defection (a valuable one) and up to the point where alec is "killed" they had not choice to play along, after that, bond's escape is down to bond's ingenuity, but granted by a parting gift from Alec.

9 years later Alec's oppinions of bond are only changed by Bond's actions. Mission above the Friend, as Bond raises his gun to kill alec. only then does Alec try to kill bond in the helicopter.

I agree. Alec only tried to kill Bond after Bond became the aggressor.

[Willowhugger]

Except for his urging Bond to "Finish the job, James. Blow them all to hell." In other words, don't wait, blow the charges now. So why is he angry that Bond actually halved the time to three minutes? I enjoy many things about GE, but this aspect of the plot, and it's the key to Alec's entire motivation, just makes no sense. Add the other obvious plotting problems, and it's no wonder we're all scratching our heads more than a decade after the movie was released.

Yes, Alec should have realized that Bond would have done that but he couldn't resist the urge to ham up his "death scene" with Oramov. Recall that these particular two 00s aren't what you would call the most stoic people on Earth.

If you want the whole motivation behind Alec. It's that he's a greedy and power hungry narcissist that wants to be richer than God. Sean Bean's performance lends nuiance that there could be 10,000 reasons why he defected and wants to destroy England from the low pay to being abused as a soldier of Her Majesty to all the people he's killed for a country that murdered his parents to the fact he's deformed.

In the end, he's a disgruntled Postal Employee who refuses to get over it.

I liked Brosnen's movies though because they don't spell things out. No, we'll probably never know the EXACT thought processes of Elektra or Alec in their movies but we don't have to. All that matters is both are an olive short of a martini.

[capungo]

VERY well said Willowhugger. Trevylan already had his goal of screwing the world over for money by the time the PTS came about, nothing resulting from Bonds "treachery" really played into that. Truth was he was friends w/ James and wanted to have a chance, no matter how improbable, that Bond would choose his friend over the mission. I think that by the time Bond let Alec "die" in the PTS, Alec wouldn't care if Bond had died or not. Oh, and for the people saying Bond was surrendering, note that after he had his hands up, he started walking in some other direction, NOT the sign that he was surrendering.

Edited by capungo, 11 December 2006 - 12:52 AM.