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#271 Dr. Noah

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:14 PM

Well i've discussed the reboot or restart point already in the above quoted point and elsewhere--it's crystal clear to me...


Yeah. A change in style doesn't count. Killing off all the original characters and turning the hero into the main villain -- against a new hero they made up -- doesn't count. Having the hero running for his life from a goverrnment agency then working for them in the next film without a complaint, or even a mention that they were just trying to kill him, doesn't count. Throwing out the storyline from the previous film and starting over again -- twice -- doesn't count.

Crystal clear.

#272 Seannery

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:29 PM


Well i've discussed the reboot or restart point already in the above quoted point and elsewhere--it's crystal clear to me...


Yeah. A change in style doesn't count. Killing off all the original characters and turning the hero into the main villain -- against a new hero they made up -- doesn't count. Having the hero running for his life from a goverrnment agency then working for them in the next film without a complaint, or even a mention that they were just trying to kill him, doesn't count. Throwing out the storyline from the previous film and starting over again -- twice -- doesn't count.

Crystal clear.



Dude I said I wasn't talking about the TV transition to the films(just the films) so we are talking about different things. I've countered all the other points stated already more than once--I see no need to go over them again. Disagree if you like--i'm sure we won't convince one another so lets just agree to disagree.

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:34 PM

what if when they brought judi dench back as M they decided to change her character to make her a traitor similar to what they did to the jim phelps character in the first mission impossible movie. if i remember correctly peter graves was offered the role of phelps in the film version but turned it down.

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 04:05 PM

I actually like the way each one varies so wildly. Its a consequence I think of how Cruise apparently gets his directors on board - he basically asks them to pitch "their" version of a MI story. Ironically for someone who is claerly controlling, Cruise does seem to allow his director collaborators some auteurist control over each film, far more than any Bond. MI1 is a de Palma Hitchcock pastiche, MI2 is a Woo-out, 3 is a big screen version of Alias.


I agree with that and actually rather like it- it's just a shame Abrams is so derivative and has sort of spoilt the system slightly. These reboots of the concept each time are a good idea and help to keep it a little more fresh; shame the Bond series doesn't allow this much creative control to be played with. But then equally, the results haven't been fantastic so far!

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 04:48 PM

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='552191' date='5 May 2006 - 15:23']
[mra]No reboot huh?

Funny, I don

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 04:57 PM

[quote name='darkpath' post='554191' date='10 May 2006 - 17:48']
[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='552191' date='5 May 2006 - 15:23']
[mra]No reboot huh?

Funny, I don

#277 Dr. Noah

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 06:08 PM

Dude I said I wasn't talking about the TV transition to the films(just the films) so we are talking about different things.


I wonder if the filmmakers considered it a reboot. Maybe they weren't aware that there was a TV series before the film, and that they were killing off characters with exactly the same name.

And no, you didn't answer why three films with different tones and different storylines that don't synch up wouldn't be considered reboots. You just keep saying you don't count those things.

If you can just ignore crap like that, I don't understand how you can get upset about a reboot from a movie series that started in the early sixties.

Can you really reconcile the fact that you're watching a 30-some year-old man in 2006 battling a high-tech terrorist network as the same guy who was shooting at a tin tank painted like a dragon and getting radiation scrubbed off him with a carwash brush in 1961? Daniel Craig wasn't even BORN then! How Bond was fighting SMERSH in 1963 at age 35, then fighting Janus in the post Soviet Republic at the same age in 1995? That he was fat with a toupee in 1967 and young and fit in 1969 with a full head of hair? Thay he was a dishwater blonde with a comb-over and in his sixties in 1984 and then dark, thin and 40 in 1986?

On a smaller level, did you picture while watching Bond in FYEO that the year before he'd been floating around outer space battling a 7-foot guy with metal teeth that bullets, sharks and 100,000 foot freefalls into circus tents couldn't kill?

They're ALL reboots.

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 07:24 PM

They're ALL reboots.


Makes as much, and perhaps more sense than any other theory or rationalization put forth thus far.

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 08:30 PM


They're ALL reboots.


Makes as much, and perhaps more sense than any other theory or rationalization put forth thus far.


Thread killer, lol. :tup:

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 08:50 PM

Dr. Noah:

Thanks, that was funny! :tup:

Not to mention he grew a couple of inches in OHMSS, and then shrank again in DAF. Maybe Bond is actually a mutant from another dimension (changes age, hair color, height, weight, facial features at will) - and the Bond films should therefore also be categorized as Sci-Fi. After all, doesn't Brosnan's moment with Q in DAD imply that HE was the Bond in FRWL, OP, TB, etc. (based on the artifacts in the background)? This mutant also has multiple personalities, especially since he referred to HIMSELF as "the other guy" in OHMSS. His abilities are just a result of his alien intelligence and skill, and the whole spy thing is just a cover to meet earth girls!

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#281 Seannery

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:06 AM


Dude I said I wasn't talking about the TV transition to the films(just the films) so we are talking about different things.


I wonder if the filmmakers considered it a reboot. Maybe they weren't aware that there was a TV series before the film, and that they were killing off characters with exactly the same name.

And no, you didn't answer why three films with different tones and different storylines that don't synch up wouldn't be considered reboots. You just keep saying you don't count those things.

If you can just ignore crap like that, I don't understand how you can get upset about a reboot from a movie series that started in the early sixties.

Can you really reconcile the fact that you're watching a 30-some year-old man in 2006 battling a high-tech terrorist network as the same guy who was shooting at a tin tank painted like a dragon and getting radiation scrubbed off him with a carwash brush in 1961? Daniel Craig wasn't even BORN then! How Bond was fighting SMERSH in 1963 at age 35, then fighting Janus in the post Soviet Republic at the same age in 1995? That he was fat with a toupee in 1967 and young and fit in 1969 with a full head of hair? Thay he was a dishwater blonde with a comb-over and in his sixties in 1984 and then dark, thin and 40 in 1986?

On a smaller level, did you picture while watching Bond in FYEO that the year before he'd been floating around outer space battling a 7-foot guy with metal teeth that bullets, sharks and 100,000 foot freefalls into circus tents couldn't kill?

They're ALL reboots.




Well ok i'll just go over it one more time if you like--i've said the TV show was rebooted by MI1 and I personally didn't like what they did to Jim Phelps. But like it or not I was ONLY talking about the MI films as a continuous series and not the jump from the TV show to the films. A reboot or restart of the TV premise to the film created the film series which was a different animal altogether--the MI film series then goes MI 1, 2, 3 chronologically and didn't restart again each time. And why I don't consider different tones and storylines a reboot? A restart of the series is truly restarting it with time by going back to the beginning or redoing the concept. None of the MI films do that(leaving aside the TV to MI1 switch which is a true reboot) despite having somehat different tones and storylines--it's just changing up the series with new wrinkles but not restarting it. They are certainly not going back to the beginning and the concept is still a spy played by the same actor with the same basic personality either working or quitting the same agency and leading a team(while doing the heavy load of the work himself) doing spy stuff. Different versions and takes of the same character and series.

CR is a reboot because it starts the timeline over again--going back to very early years before the other films. The other Bonds you mention yes indeed change in tone and many other things and yes Bond doesn't age. But this is common for a long time film franchise there is very little aging of the character--it's a suspension of disbelief and they just go on with differnt takes and storylines of the same character. The Bonds are all over the place yes--you expect that over 40 years--but they never restarted or rebooted to the beginning until CR. The rest is suspension of belief of the same character with different takes on the character. They don't restart and go back to the beginning--it's not a reboot like Batman Begins, Superman Returns(which intentionally ignores the later Supermen films as never existing) and the upcoming new young Kirk/Spock Star Trek film.

This may suprise you but I did say earlier if the reboot is only going back to the beginning then it may not be that bad or risky box office wise--only if they mess with the fundamental character of Bond will this be overly risky. Some who saw the script say they change Bond fundamentally(and yes I submit that Bond from Connery to Brosnan was of the same basic type even though there are differences too--tall, very good looking, suave, witty, charming, tough, cool, confident, etc...) but others say not--if they really don't then this will be a lot less risky. Then I would largely agree with you in not worrying. I also said I might very well enjoy CR greatly with a reboot--I was more seeing a risk with a general audience who may be expecting a Bond that looks and acts a certain way and doesn't.

So if it's just strictly a timeline reboot and they keep Bond...Bond without turning him into a pained angst filled character(a little of that is OK) then it's a lot less of a risk. I'm still looking forward to CR greatly regardless--can't wait to see how this turns out in November.

And also I said if they really changed things up a lot it could still work very well and payoff greatly--in essence i'm saying if they go the risky route(new timeline, unconventional looking Bond--yes the other Bonds aren't duplicates but more of a type than the talented Craig--,big change in the character) it's a risk that wasn't needed BUT THE RISK CAN OF COURSE PAYOFF. I'm not discounting that at all.

But if the changes aren't as much as said then a mild timeline reboot wouldn't be the riskiest thing I grant you given the series history. Then it will come down to how the general audience accepts this new unconventional looking Bond. It will all be in the hands of Daniel Craig then. He will either click with the general audience or not.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:14 AM

Can you really reconcile the fact that you're watching a 30-some year-old man in 2006 battling a high-tech terrorist network as the same guy who was shooting at a tin tank painted like a dragon and getting radiation scrubbed off him with a carwash brush in 1961? Daniel Craig wasn't even BORN then! How Bond was fighting SMERSH in 1963 at age 35, then fighting Janus in the post Soviet Republic at the same age in 1995? That he was fat with a toupee in 1967 and young and fit in 1969 with a full head of hair? Thay he was a dishwater blonde with a comb-over and in his sixties in 1984 and then dark, thin and 40 in 1986?

On a smaller level, did you picture while watching Bond in FYEO that the year before he'd been floating around outer space battling a 7-foot guy with metal teeth that bullets, sharks and 100,000 foot freefalls into circus tents couldn't kill?

They're ALL reboots.


That's not rebooting - that's suspension of disbelief.

CR is a reboot because it starts the timeline over again--going back to very early years before the other films. The other Bonds you mention yes indeed change in tone and many other things and yes Bond doesn't age. But this is common for a long time film franchise there is very little aging of the character--it's a suspension of disbelief and they just go on with differnt takes and storylines of the same character. The Bonds are all over the place yes--you expect that over 40 years--but they never restarted or rebooted to the beginning until CR. The rest is suspension of belief of the same character with different takes on the character.


Sorry Seannery - just seen you beat me to it. What he said :tup:

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:21 AM

A reboot or restart of the TV premise to the film created the film series which was a different animal altogether--the MI film series then goes MI 1, 2, 3 chronologically and didn't restart again each time. And why I don't consider different tones and storylines a reboot? A restart of the series is truly restarting it with time by going back to the beginning or redoing the concept. None of the MI films do that(leaving aside the TV to MI1 switch which is a true reboot) despite having somehat different tones and storylines--it's just changing up the series with new wrinkles but not restarting it.


You seem to be saying that a reboot can only mean a chronological reboot, ie let's go back to the beginning. So how was the first M:I film a reboot of the TV series, then? It wasn't meant to be the team's first mission. It did precisely what you would expect them to do chronologically making a film in the 90s that had been a TV series in the 60s: made them all the same kind of age in the modern day. The reboot was conceptual, because the concept of the series was a team of agents working together using clever gadgets and the like to defeat bad guys, and the film killed them all off very early and became something else instead: a solo agent on the run from his own side. That was the concept of the first M:I film. The concept of the second one was as different to M:I the film as M:I the film was to the TV series. None of them rebooted chronologically, so why do you see TV to the first film as a reboot, but not first to second film as one. I think it's because they only did one film of that concept. If they'd done two or three, a la Bourne, with Cruise on the run from his superiors, and *then* had him back in the fold as a generic Bond-style superpsy, nobody would hesitate to call it a reboot. If they did that with Bourne, what would you call it? Again, why is the TV concept being changed a reboot, but the film one not?

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:26 AM

Again, why is the TV concept being changed a reboot, but the film one not?

Good point. Maybe we need another word :D CR is a timeline reboot. MI:1 was a "reimagining". :tup: How about that?

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:31 AM

AVL, I agree, the bond films until now have certainly qualified as Suspension of Disbelief, there are infrequent but undebiable references to bond's cinematic history, such as his marriage to Tracy etc, bond from Dr. No is the same character and timeline as the Bond of Die Another Day, no codenames, no reboot, just sheer impossible logic! and for that we must allow a degree of artistic license, unless of course you want bond in the next film to be 73, and die of a heart attack during the opening fight sequence. MI3 is a different case, but still involves suspension of disbelief. for character perposes Ethan Hunt and his reccuring team-mate Luther Stickle are approached as constants, never changing characters who the audience can relate with, but everything else is subject to change and that makes each film unique and more involving. I don't think anyone thinks a new IMF director each film is really that plausable, or that he can go from killing 2 people (i think) in the first film and then become a one-man killing machine in the second, the list is endless, but this is as you said earlier, AVL, a symptom of the very healthy practice of allowing each new director to give their unique perception of MI. oddly my favorite characters in the film were Declan and Zhen, the two new faces on Hunt's IMF team, I especially liked their scene waiting in the car where Declan asks Zhen to teach him the prayer. Sadly i realise these characters will not be returning for any future MI movie, but it does then make each film special for it's own details and merits.
Mission Impossible reboot theory? I don't think so, the timeline is constant if unrealistic, and the few characters who do recurr benefit from their acknowledged histories (I love the relationship between Ethan and Luther) Casino Royale will break every rule in Bond as far as continuity goes, and that I cannot pass judgement on until November.

Edited by shady ginzo, 11 May 2006 - 09:36 AM.


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:34 AM

Besides 'M:I3 humanizes superspy with GREAT results' is pretty contentious now we've seen it ain't all that great!

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:42 AM

Besides 'M:I3 humanizes superspy with GREAT results' is pretty contentious now we've seen it ain't all that great!


Well I suppose the thread title is a little subjective, it is one person's opinion of MI3, but in fairness I think this view is shared by most (don't be mad at me for making statements like that! I haven't ran any polls so I admit i could be wrong!! :tup:) and if you don't agree with the statement I wouldn't expect to convince you otherwise, No film will ever be perfect for everyone. I think the closest to the truth we can get is that M:I:3 makes the boldest steps towards humanizing not just the lead character, but also the supporting characters which really flesh out the movie, and it does so with simple little touches incorporated into the dialogue throughout the movie, in a way in which I at least felt flowed without seeming false

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 10:00 AM

Well I suppose the thread title is a little subjective, it is one person's opinion of MI3, but in fairness I think this view is shared by most (don't be mad at me for making statements like that! I haven't ran any polls so I admit i could be wrong!! :tup:) and if you don't agree with the statement I wouldn't expect to convince you otherwise, No film will ever be perfect for everyone. I think the closest to the truth we can get is that M:I:3 makes the boldest steps towards humanizing not just the lead character, but also the supporting characters which really flesh out the movie, and it does so with simple little touches incorporated into the dialogue throughout the movie, in a way in which I at least felt flowed without seeming false


Really can't agree there- only Hunt was vaguely given any character interests at all; his boss, the wife, all of the other team members were given nothing. That terrible scene where Rhys Meyers and the Q woman tried to talk each other in the car was all they were given and that was it. They were all cyphers or stereotypes (hello 'gruff but fair' boss!) just there to surround Hunt. Poor stuff.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 10:22 AM

leaving aside the TV to MI1 switch which is a true reboot


Wouldn't there be a case for considering De Palma's MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE a continuation of the saga created by the TV series, rather than a reboot of it, given that it features the character of Jim Phelps? And Jon Voight's Phelps looks like he could be in his 60s, and therefore the same Phelps of the TV timeline (indeed, I gather that Peter Graves was offered the role of Phelps in the film).

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:00 PM


A reboot or restart of the TV premise to the film created the film series which was a different animal altogether--the MI film series then goes MI 1, 2, 3 chronologically and didn't restart again each time. And why I don't consider different tones and storylines a reboot? A restart of the series is truly restarting it with time by going back to the beginning or redoing the concept. None of the MI films do that(leaving aside the TV to MI1 switch which is a true reboot) despite having somehat different tones and storylines--it's just changing up the series with new wrinkles but not restarting it.


You seem to be saying that a reboot can only mean a chronological reboot, ie let's go back to the beginning. So how was the first M:I film a reboot of the TV series, then? It wasn't meant to be the team's first mission. It did precisely what you would expect them to do chronologically making a film in the 90s that had been a TV series in the 60s: made them all the same kind of age in the modern day. The reboot was conceptual, because the concept of the series was a team of agents working together using clever gadgets and the like to defeat bad guys, and the film killed them all off very early and became something else instead: a solo agent on the run from his own side. That was the concept of the first M:I film. The concept of the second one was as different to M:I the film as M:I the film was to the TV series. None of them rebooted chronologically, so why do you see TV to the first film as a reboot, but not first to second film as one. I think it's because they only did one film of that concept. If they'd done two or three, a la Bourne, with Cruise on the run from his superiors, and *then* had him back in the fold as a generic Bond-style superpsy, nobody would hesitate to call it a reboot. If they did that with Bourne, what would you call it? Again, why is the TV concept being changed a reboot, but the film one not?





Well Spy I did say there was either a timeline reboot ala CR or a conceptual reboot like MI1 from the TV show. And to be a conceptual reboot they really have to change the basic premise--it has to be a big change in the basic premise. So MI1 from the TV show the very fact they make the hero(Jim Phelps) a villain and turn the team concept into a star spy vehicle changes the basic premise. The MI film series doesn't change big time the basic premise--it's Cruise as a spy(whether quitting or coming back) on adventures. Now if MI3 was turned into a musical or as a pure farce then that would be a reboot. :tup:

Loomis has an interesting point that Phelps is still there so is it a reboot but I think conceptually the team premise was really altered and the show was warped into a star vehicle. So regardless if Phelps is there or not it has been fundamentally rebooted.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:06 PM

Now if MI3 was turned into a musical or as a pure farce then that would be a reboot. :tup:


Some of us think M:I-3 is a pure farce.

I don't see any fundamental changes to the concept in De Palma's M:I, other than the revelation that Phelps is a bit of a rotter, which hardly counts. Okay, Cruise may get the lion's share of the limelight (but wasn't there also a disproportionate focus on Graves in the TV show, due to his being the first-billed star? I wouldn't know, 'coz I haven't seen it, but I expect there was, since I've always been aware of the series as "Mission Impossible starring Peter Graves"), but he's still surrounded by teams - even when his original one is wiped out he goes and creates another one.

You just want to consider De Palma's M:I a reboot because you don't like what it does to Phelps. :D

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:06 PM


Besides 'M:I3 humanizes superspy with GREAT results' is pretty contentious now we've seen it ain't all that great!


Well I suppose the thread title is a little subjective, it is one person's opinion of MI3, but in fairness I think this view is shared by most (don't be mad at me for making statements like that! I haven't ran any polls so I admit i could be wrong!! :tup:) and if you don't agree with the statement I wouldn't expect to convince you otherwise, No film will ever be perfect for everyone. I think the closest to the truth we can get is that M:I:3 makes the boldest steps towards humanizing not just the lead character, but also the supporting characters which really flesh out the movie, and it does so with simple little touches incorporated into the dialogue throughout the movie, in a way in which I at least felt flowed without seeming false




Yes it's certainly subjective whether MI3 is an excellent action flick or not--I certainly thought so. I don't say it has great depth--just some great fun with enough emotional resonance to give it extra fizz.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:17 PM


Now if MI3 was turned into a musical or as a pure farce then that would be a reboot. :tup:


Some of us think M:I-3 is a pure farce.

I don't see any fundamental changes to the concept in De Palma's M:I, other than the revelation that Phelps is a bit of a rotter, which hardly counts. Okay, Cruise may get the lion's share of the limelight (but wasn't there also a disproportionate focus on Graves in the TV show, due to his being the first-billed star? I wouldn't know, 'coz I haven't seen it, but I expect there was, since I've always been aware of the series as "Mission Impossible starring Peter Graves"), but he's still surrounded by teams - even when his original one is wiped out he goes and creates another one.

You just want to consider De Palma's M:I a reboot because you don't like what it does to Phelps. :D




Very good Loomis--though by pure farce I mean like not even an action flick anymore just say turn it into an Airplane type movie. Well maybe Avl has a point when adapting TV to the screen perhaps reimagining would be a better word than reboot. That being said only MI1 from the TV show has any potential to be called a reboot--certainly not MI3. And you can say changing the main character totally into a villain would be a reboot--it's changing part of what fundamental about the series. And add to that throwing out the team mission element(which was fundamental to the TV series) to making it mainly a star vehicle could make it a reboot.

Back to changing the main character--if totally changed like Phelps then that is a conceptual reboot. If they made James Bond into Jane Bond then that would be a reboot. Same with a homosexual Bond. Changing the main character radically alters the premise and is a conceptual reboot.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:38 PM

I think the whole "conceptual reboot/reimagining" thing is very tricky to define exhaustively - you kind of know it when you see it. But I think the implication must be that the property - say, MI - must have a number of core elements that define it - say, the IMF, the theme tune, the team concept, and the "self destruct in 5 seconds" tag line. MI:1 uses all of these elements - but remixes them. M1:2 and 3 does the same trick - different re-mixes of the core concepts. How far can you go in remixing these elements for it to constitute a "reboot"? My proposition - either its a restart of the continuity/timeline (Year One) or its doing a film without any of the core defining elements. If MI:4 is a domestic comedy about how Hunt's wife mistakenly thinks he is having an affair with his neighbour when in fact he's organising a suprise birthday party for her, with hilarious consequences - that's a reboot :tup:

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:45 PM

I kind of agree, and we're really going in circles. But one last try:

What if the fourth Bourne film featured Jason Bourne as a standard CIA agent, no longer on the run from his employers but now a Bond-style superspy saving the world, driving fast cars, a suave playboy figure wearing a suit by an English tailor and cool shades with gadgets in them, featuring loads of explosions, a villain with some kind of poison that threatened the world, and so on.

Wouldn't that be a reboot of the series' core elements? Isn't that what M:I2 did to the first film?

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:48 PM

I think the whole "conceptual reboot/reimagining" thing is very tricky to define exhaustively - you kind of know it when you see it. But I think the implication must be that the property - say, MI - must have a number of core elements that define it - say, the IMF, the theme tune, the team concept, and the "self destruct in 5 seconds" tag line. MI:1 uses all of these elements - but remixes them. M1:2 and 3 does the same trick - different re-mixes of the core concepts. How far can you go in remixing these elements for it to constitute a "reboot"? My proposition - either its a restart of the continuity/timeline (Year One) or its doing a film without any of the core defining elements. If MI:4 is a domestic comedy about how Hunt's wife mistakenly thinks he is having an affair with his neighbour when in fact he's organising a suprise birthday party for her, with hilarious consequences - that's a reboot :tup:





This sounds pretty close to me. :D Either none of the defining elements there OR a few big fundamental ones extremely altered which your MI4 example shows.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:57 PM

Back to changing the main character--if totally changed like Phelps then that is a conceptual reboot. If they made James Bond into Jane Bond then that would be a reboot. Same with a homosexual Bond. Changing the main character radically alters the premise and is a conceptual reboot.


Then clearly THE BOURNE SUPREMACY reboots the Bourne franchise, since a major character who's a goodie in the first one is revealed to be a baddie in the second.

Phelps is exactly the same character in De Palma's M:I - it's just that we learn about his dark side, something he successfully kept hidden for decades (don't you accept the idea of character change within franchises, Seannery? If not, then I guess you view REVENGE OF THE SITH as a reboot of the STAR WARS saga thanks to what becomes of Annakin). :tup:

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 02:02 PM

Then clearly THE BOURNE SUPREMACY reboots the Bourne franchise, since a major character who's a goodie in the first one is revealed to be a baddie in the second.


Well that's my defence the next time I'm caught stealing penny chews from the bottom counter.

"I'm not a criminal your honour. I've just been rebooted."

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 02:02 PM

If you carry on like that, Loomis, Seannery's going to give you and me a reboot. :tup:

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 02:03 PM

Yes. A great line for CASINO ROYALE - Craig throws Foucan from the crane.

"He got the reboot."

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