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#1 OVERLORD

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 11:46 AM

After talking to a friend, we wondered why don't they use the Gardner titles as film names, is there any reason that they can't?

We thought that Licence Renewed would be a good title for Bond 22, following on from what happens to him on his first mission (CR) then it would seem natural that Bond's newly acquired 'licence to kill' would be re-evaluated and then given a renewal.

any thoughts, like it or hate it.

#2 Qwerty

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 12:08 PM

No reason that they cannot, but they definitely haven't been showing interest in doing so.

#3 spynovelfan

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 02:41 PM

Why use a title that has no market recognition, and which would confuse the audience?

'Have they replaced Daniel Craig already?'

'Is this a remake of that Timothy Brosnan film?'

'Is this an adaptation of that Raymond Gardner book?'

'What does "renewed" mean?'

#4 JimmyBond

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 02:45 PM

Why use a title that has no market recognition,


You mean like Licence to Kill, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day? All titles that are not based on Fleming stories. I think it would open new doors for marketing if they were to adapt Gardner novels.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 02:55 PM


Why use a title that has no market recognition,


You mean like Licence to Kill, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day? All titles that are not based on Fleming stories. I think it would open new doors for marketing if they were to adapt Gardner novels.


*And* which would confuse the audience. None of the examples you've listed were pre-existing works of art. Additonally, the word 'Licence' is rather more recognisable than 'Die', and has already been used.

I don't think using Gardner titles would open any new doors for marketing. Very few people have read his Bond books - all I can see it doing would be confusing people. I can't see it happening for all those reasons.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 03:32 PM

How about Icebreaker instead? Love that one...too close to ice drenched DAD though...maybe B23 or B24...

#7 Mister Asterix

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 04:43 PM

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#8 Genrewriter

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 04:46 PM

Would have made sense after LTK but now...not so much. :tup:

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 08:57 AM

Well, there is no law about filming the books in order--just look at EON's history for proof. But yes, License Renewed's chances have probably been shelved--at least until the next Bond is cast.

As to spynovelfan's comments that some of Gardner's books were not great works of art, I submit Ian Fleming's Goldfinger. That novel was middle of the road Fleming at best and had a very unrealistic plot. EON, however, took the plot's concept, molded it, and created a masterwork of film. They greatly improved on the written work so who's to say that they can't do that with any of Gardner's (or Benson's or Amis') novels?

And there are still some great continuation titles out there: Colonel Sun, For Special Services, Icebreaker, Role Of Honor, Nobody Lives Forever, Scorpius, Brokenclaw, Zero Minus Ten, The Facts Of Death, Doubleshot, etc.

EON has infrequently followed the plots closely, focusing primarily on the characters and sometimes the general plot outline, so there's no reason they couldn't do it again with the continuation novels. And if they are in fact struggling to come up with new ideas, the continuation novels would be the best way to go--the stories are already there, all they have to do is come up with ideas to make them more cinematic.

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 10:23 AM

As to spynovelfan's comments that some of Gardner's books were not great works of art,


Eh? Where did I say that?

I submit Ian Fleming's Goldfinger. That novel was middle of the road Fleming at best and had a very unrealistic plot.


Because all the others are models of realism! :tup:

EON has infrequently followed the plots closely, focusing primarily on the characters and sometimes the general plot outline, so there's no reason they couldn't do it again with the continuation novels. And if they are in fact struggling to come up with new ideas, the continuation novels would be the best way to go--the stories are already there, all they have to do is come up with ideas to make them more cinematic.


But why pay a bunch of scriptwriters to rework a continuation novel from scratch when they can write the whole script from scratch, as they have been doing for quite a few years now? Rewriting LICENCE RENEWED so it would work now would take just as much work as coming up with an entirely new plot and characters.

It may also be that Eon's antipathy to filming continuation novels stems from the Sixties.

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 10:31 AM

I like the idea.

Many of the Bond fans are at least familiar with the Gardner books.

License Renewed would at least say "OK, you did well with the CR mission, you are renewed for the next mission."

A story about a terrorist causing simultaneous nuclear meltdowns is not far fetched in today's world and would make for a good 007 thriller.

Again, I like the idea.

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 10:08 PM

Like a previous poster said, Licence Renewed would be a great title to come after LTK. It would be great to see a film that took place between LTK and GoldenEye, essentially showing what Bond did to get his 'Licece Renewed.'

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 10:10 PM

Like a previous poster said, Licence Renewed would be a great title to come after LTK. It would be great to see a film that took place between LTK and GoldenEye, essentially showing what Bond did to get his 'Licece Renewed.'



I remember the rumour at the time was that Licence Renewed was planned to follow Licence Revoked as it was then called.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 03:37 AM

Like a previous poster said, Licence Renewed would be a great title to come after LTK. It would be great to see a film that took place between LTK and GoldenEye, essentially showing what Bond did to get his 'Licece Renewed.'


Press junkets for the film indicated that Caroline (the girl Bond seduces at the beginning of Goldeneye) was evaluating Bond to see if he was fit to return to the service. Presumably after the events of Licence To Kill.

#15 K1Bond007

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 06:25 AM

No reason that they cannot, but they definitely haven't been showing interest in doing so.


Uhh .... the reason is obvious: $$

Why base future films on non-Fleming Bond books that they don't already have the rights to? As far as I'm concerned (and I've only read up to LTK novelisation), only Nobody Lives Forever would be an adaptation I'd actually like to see, but even then... why? Apparently EON doesn't really need the rights to them anyway. They can just use certain parts or themes and get away with it being "coincidence" or whatever. You can't tell me they haven't done this in the past. Theres far too many "coincidences" including the most obvious in Die Another Day (Colonel Sun/Moon). Then you got A View to a Kill (Role of Honour), The World Is Not Enough (COLD), etc etc.

Licence Renewed, while not really a bad title in general, would be a bad title for Bond 22 following CR where he gets his 00.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 06:38 AM

License Renewed would at least say "OK, you did well with the CR mission, you are renewed for the next mission."


Although I have not read the script for CR, going by the book, I wouldn't say it was a job well done. Sounds to me like he merely got the job done. Try explaining to your boss, who already apparently has issues with you, what happened to the girl that was sent out with you. He got suckered. It's sad, but true.

I'd rather Bond be on the outs with M in the 2nd film. That'd be great. Then as I stated in another thread use the Blades scene from Moonraker to get Bond back in M's good graces. Bond's strong point in Casino Royale (i.e., the reason he was chosen for the job) was that he was the best in the department at cards. Play it again in the pre-title (perhaps a different game though, baccarat!) then put Bond on the case once whatever happens plays out there. I love that idea.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 08:33 AM


As to spynovelfan's comments that some of Gardner's books were not great works of art,


Eh? Where did I say that?


Sorry about that spynovelfan. In my rush to read through the thread, I misread your post and put two and two together regarding jimmybond's last line and your first line and came up with five. :D That and I overlooked the word pre-existing in your second line. My humblest apologies. :tup:

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 08:36 AM


License Renewed would at least say "OK, you did well with the CR mission, you are renewed for the next mission."


Although I have not read the script for CR, going by the book, I wouldn't say it was a job well done. Sounds to me like he merely got the job done. Try explaining to your boss, who already apparently has issues with you, what happened to the girl that was sent out with you. He got suckered. It's sad, but true.


While I agree that it was arguably a job done, rather than well done, by Bond in the novel CR (after all, where would he be without Leiters' extra cash injection?), I don't think he has any explaining to do to M. Rather, I think M has some explaining to do to him - he insisted on sending someone out to work with him, and she turned out to be working for the other side! You can hardly blame Bond for having trouble with the mission when his boss sent a double agent to work with him. He did well to make it out alive. And how could one blame Vesper's death on Bond? It's hardly his fault that she fell in love with him and felt she could no longer run from Smersh, is it?

I've no idea how this would apply to the script of CR.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 09:33 AM

I like the idea of Bond 22 being titled 'Shatterhand' and the script using some concepts from Fleming's YOLT, particularly the Garden of Death. One word titles have proved very successful (at least at the box office)for most that have used them: Goldfinger, Thunderball, Moonraker, Goldeneye (even Octopussy did ok financially). I am sure that the writers could forge some links to CR. The Shatterhand film could end with Bond losing his licence, either as a result of being brainwashed into becoming a turncoat, or being framed so he looks like a traitor. This could lead into the basis of a Licence Renewed story as Bond 23.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 04:23 PM



License Renewed would at least say "OK, you did well with the CR mission, you are renewed for the next mission."


Although I have not read the script for CR, going by the book, I wouldn't say it was a job well done. Sounds to me like he merely got the job done. Try explaining to your boss, who already apparently has issues with you, what happened to the girl that was sent out with you. He got suckered. It's sad, but true.


While I agree that it was arguably a job done, rather than well done, by Bond in the novel CR (after all, where would he be without Leiters' extra cash injection?), I don't think he has any explaining to do to M. Rather, I think M has some explaining to do to him - he insisted on sending someone out to work with him, and she turned out to be working for the other side! You can hardly blame Bond for having trouble with the mission when his boss sent a double agent to work with him. He did well to make it out alive. And how could one blame Vesper's death on Bond? It's hardly his fault that she fell in love with him and felt she could no longer run from Smersh, is it?

I've no idea how this would apply to the script of CR.


Well, I guess that's true and you can't blame him for it entirely, however, he fell for her to the point of contemplating marriage, which an experienced agent probably wouldn't do. I don't know. Still I don't think his accomplishments in CR are really that "pat on the back" good. Then again, it's not like M has to know about that part.

I'd still like to see Bond not in M's good graces in Bond 22. Completing a mission shouldn't catapult him to her personal favorite agent or clearly the best of the 00 section. It'd be great if Bond still had something to prove. I don't know how CR plays out so it's hard to speculate.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 05:40 PM

Spoon should do the title song.

Call it 'Gun Barrel'

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 07:45 PM

Funnily enough I was thinking about this yesterday.

Why don't they make it into to a film. It was the second gardner book I had read (Brokenclaw being the first).

An idea did come to me though. It was mainly for my Bond tv Series project, but it could be sub plot for a future Bond film.

Bond kills someone, but has killed them with out having his licence. It had ran out and he had forgot to renew it.

The idea mainly came about after watching Hitchcock's The Paradine Case.

I'd thought it would have been interesting to see Bond in court.

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