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[JCRendle]

Lets see Fleming's Moonraker up on screen for the first time, sticking close to the book, just changing the war that Graf Hugo von der Drache was involved in, it would work in a modern day setting, and I, for one, would love it - It would work well with Craig's Bond as well.

[dinovelvet]

Lets see Fleming's Moonraker up on screen for the first time, sticking close to the book, just changing the war that Graf Hugo von der Drache was involved in, it would work in a modern day setting, and I, for one, would love it - It would work well with Craig's Bond as well.

Ehh no I don't think it'd be right, at least not at this time. For one thing they sort of used Drax with Gustav Graves in DAD, and a big card game scene would be too similar to CR. (And if they're not using baccarat for the big screen, there's no way a game of bridge would fly, either).

[Wade]

If they're rebooting Bond, with all the third-world warlord wreaking havoc, and with the whole Natalee Holloway thing, maybe this would be an appropriate time to remake "Live and Let Die." Could be cool. And very dangerous and harsh.

[Tiin007]

If they change the name of the movie, the name of the villain, the name of the missile, and the war the villain was in (as JCrRendle suggested), I don't see why Fleming's Moonraker wouldn't work as Bond 22. Maybe we'll even get Gala Brand and Krebs?

[Blofeld's Cat]

The book plot is so out of date (the reason it was updated for Moonraker in the first place) that I can't see any reason to remake it.

[Wade]

The book plot is so out of date (the reason it was updated for Moonraker in the first place) that I can't see any reason to remake it.

You mean, in this era of scramjets and passengers in outer space, you don't think it's worth a remake?

[Blofeld's Cat]

Never have thought it's worth a remake. Not necessary.

[Qwerty]

For one thing they sort of used Drax with Gustav Graves in DAD, and a big card game scene would be too similar to CR. (And if they're not using baccarat for the big screen, there's no way a game of bridge would fly, either).

Those problems came to mind for me as well.

[tdalton]

I don't think that we need another Moonraker, especially not now. I'm tired of space-themed Bond films (we've just had 2 in the last decade, with satellite weapons in GE & DAD). Plus, I'm not sure that a space theme would really work with the concept behind Casino Royale and its follow-ups.

[Wade]

I'm not saying remake it NOW, but with the future of space travel moving forward all the time, there might be a time when a bond in space movie could be done AND be realistic. No, no, not this close after DAD (which, by the way, broke my heart, because up until the ice palace ... oh, well, we've been down this conversational cul-de-sac before, haven't we?).

[JCRendle]

Moonraker is not set in outta space, I am not talking about a remake of the movie, I am talking about filming the book by Ian Fleming - Bond does not go into space in that book, nothing goes into space,there is no jaws - The book is completely different than the film - completely - the only simerlarity is the name of the main bad guy, and only the name, he personality, plan etc. are completely different.

Read the book, then you will see.

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In the novel Bond is asked by M to observe Sir Hugo Drax, who is winning money playing bridge at M's club, Blades, and who M suspects of cheating. Although M claims to not really care, he is concerned why a multimillionaire and national hero such as Drax would resort to cheating at a card game. Bond later confirms Drax's deception, and manages to 'cheat the cheater' (with a little help from benzedrine and champagne), winning

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[Monsieur B]

I think you are missing the point. We know that you are referring to the literary Moonraker but you fail to realize that we've already had a (for lack of better term) more faithful adaptation of the literary Moonraker in Die Another Day. You see? Graves/Moon = Drax/Drache, Gala Brand = Miranda Frost (wasn't Frost named Gala Brand in an earlier draft?), Icarus = Moonraker, The Blades Club even makes an appearance (in a more interesting way, mind you).

So you see, they've already adapted Moonraker and it would be FAR too soon to adapt it again. I say that the better bet (should EON actually make more faithful adaptations to the Fleming originals) would be to then go to Live And Let Die since it is the second book after Casino Royale anyways. But seeing Moonraker again would be way too soon.

[ShySmile]

Just a thought... I'm a huge fan of all spy fiction including young adult. Not sure if anyone else here reads the Alex Rider books by Anthony Horowitz, but if you didn't know, they've just wrapped up a feature film of the first book in the series 'Stormbreaker' in which AR is sent to Cornwall to stop a doomsday device. Of course the plot is more modern, however if you've read the novel there are some surprising similarities to Fleming's Moonraker... the point I'm getting at is that I would hate to see the plot of a Bond film being compared to that of a young spy film plot made a year or two previously. And knowing the popularity of the book series, the screen product may just end up a blockbuster. I know it sounds minor and unpredictable, but hey... not impossible.

[tdalton]

Moonraker is not set in outta space, I am not talking about a remake of the movie, I am talking about filming the book by Ian Fleming - Bond does not go into space in that book, nothing goes into space,there is no jaws - The book is completely different than the film - completely - the only simerlarity is the name of the main bad guy, and only the name, he personality, plan etc. are completely different.

Read the book, then you will see.

I have read the book, and I understand that you're talking about the novel Moonraker, and as someone else already said, EON already adapted it in Die Another Day. Plus, it involves the Moonraker, which would be too similar after the heavily satellite-themed Brosnan era (GE: GoldenEye satellite weapon; TND: Carver uses GPS and satellites to throw the British ship off course; DAD: Icarus satellite weapon).

[spynovelfan]

The book is completely different than the film - completely - the only simerlarity is the name of the main bad guy, and only the name, he personality, plan etc. are completely different.

I don't think Drax's name is the *only* similarity. In both book and film, Drax is a foreigner who is apparently helping the British government with a defence project. In both, there is a problem with the project (one of the staff is killed in the book; a rocket is hijacked in the film) and Bond goes to Drax's factory, where he is welcomed as an ally. In the book, a female British agent already installed there helps him - in the film, it's a female American agent. The scene in which Bond and Goodhead are placed under the rocket is also reminiscent of the climax of the book. I would say that the overall arc of the film is pretty similar to the book.

[tdalton]

The book is completely different than the film - completely - the only simerlarity is the name of the main bad guy, and only the name, he personality, plan etc. are completely different.

I don't think Drax's name is the *only* similarity. In both book and film, Drax is a foreigner who is apparently helping the British government with a defence project. In both, there is a problem with the project (one of the staff is killed in the book; a rocket is hijacked in the film) and Bond goes to Drax's factory, where he is welcomed as an ally. In the book, a female British agent already installed there helps him - in the film, it's a female American agent. The scene in which Bond and Goodhead are placed under the rocket is also reminiscent of the climax of the book. I would say that the overall arc of the film is pretty similar to the book.

I hadn't remembered those similarities as it has been a long time since I've read the novel (and I got caught up in how DAD was an adaptation of the novel), but now that that's been pointed out, it could be said that Moonraker has now been "successfully" adapted twice, so it begs the question, why should they adapt it for a third time?

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 12:31 AM

I agree. The movie didn't give the book any justice. But the public wouldn't accept it.

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#19 K1Bond007

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 01:38 AM

If they're rebooting Bond, with all the third-world warlord wreaking havoc, and with the whole Natalee Holloway thing, maybe this would be an appropriate time to remake "Live and Let Die." Could be cool. And very dangerous and harsh.

It was called Licence to Kill. If anything from LALD, I'd like to see them use it as a kind of platform in where the character will go after Casino Royale (more vengeful - more inline with that novel); I've explained this in more detail in the past.

I don't think that we need another Moonraker, especially not now. I'm tired of space-themed Bond films (we've just had 2 in the last decade, with satellite weapons in GE & DAD). Plus, I'm not sure that a space theme would really work with the concept behind Casino Royale and its follow-ups.

That wasn't the point of the novel. I'm not going to push for this, but I do think it would be a great idea.

My idea for a second (technically third) Moonraker adaptation would be about "Star Wars" (i.e., the strategic defense initiative), much in the same vein of the novel, and the defense of a country - specifically the UK. I'm not talking ridiculous satellites here. Down to Earth realistic stuff. One angle to play here would be the inner conflicts between security agencies (MI6, MI5, police, whatever). That'd be a cool touch.

It could also include the scene at Blades. Just because he played poker and it was the central theme in Casino Royale doesn't mean he can't do it in the following films. That's a strength of Bond that I hope they play up. They brought him in in CR because he was the best card player in the department, not because he was their #1 agent or M's favorite. Use it again to keep Bond involved because after CR Bond can't be looking too pretty with what happens in that story (see script reviews and the obvious conclusion). And if it is popular and well done in CR (hopefully with a different game so that it's not too much of a fasmilie) it should be done again, if only briefly in the pre-title.

It could be the essence of Moonraker without actually making it feel like any of the previous films. God knows Moonraker was raped as a novel for film. It's very doable without having anyone really draw any comparisons between it (Bond 22) and Moonraker (the film) or Die Another Day.

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#20 JimmyBond

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 01:47 PM

I agree. The movie didn't give the book any justice. But the public wouldn't accept it.

They made DAD a hit. Seems like they'll accept anything as long as it has a character named James Bond

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#21 Frankie

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 08:39 PM

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I agree. EON should have a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie apologizing for their previous Moonraker effort. That woul be cool.

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#22 deth

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 11:48 PM

a part of me wants to see TSWLM novel adapted... I know I know.. it can't happen....

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#23 wide of the mark

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 01:47 AM

MR can defenitely happen. Heck, my sn is a proto-name for the novel, along with various others. Sure some touching up would be needed to make this book desireable, but in my opinion, not as much as CR. I mean, it seems like half of the novel has been re-written and some more sinister terroristic traits have been enlaced. Certainly MR can work. Like this, The bomb plot is perfectly fine for the ever increasingly insecure world, so Britan is bound to want to step up its protection. With a man whom has a new identity seems like the perfect Bond area for people trying to destroy the country, even the destroying the UK is a modern idea (compared to movies like DAD). Plus it would be cool to see bond get in a car wreck again.

At last, the espionage aspects (forgetting the whole filing-cabinet thing) is marvelous. I see no reason why this can't be tagged up to CR level.

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#24 Tiin007

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 01:52 AM

Welcome to CBn, wide of the mark. I totally agree with you- if CR can be made into a faithful adaptation, all the more so can MR. By the way, how are things going down at the moonraker test site?

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[Sir Hugo]

I agree. The movie didn't give the book any justice. But the public wouldn't accept it.

[K1Bond007]

If they're rebooting Bond, with all the third-world warlord wreaking havoc, and with the whole Natalee Holloway thing, maybe this would be an appropriate time to remake "Live and Let Die." Could be cool. And very dangerous and harsh.

It was called Licence to Kill. If anything from LALD, I'd like to see them use it as a kind of platform in where the character will go after Casino Royale (more vengeful - more inline with that novel); I've explained this in more detail in the past.

I don't think that we need another Moonraker, especially not now. I'm tired of space-themed Bond films (we've just had 2 in the last decade, with satellite weapons in GE & DAD). Plus, I'm not sure that a space theme would really work with the concept behind Casino Royale and its follow-ups.

That wasn't the point of the novel. I'm not going to push for this, but I do think it would be a great idea.

My idea for a second (technically third) Moonraker adaptation would be about "Star Wars" (i.e., the strategic defense initiative), much in the same vein of the novel, and the defense of a country - specifically the UK. I'm not talking ridiculous satellites here. Down to Earth realistic stuff. One angle to play here would be the inner conflicts between security agencies (MI6, MI5, police, whatever). That'd be a cool touch.

It could also include the scene at Blades. Just because he played poker and it was the central theme in Casino Royale doesn't mean he can't do it in the following films. That's a strength of Bond that I hope they play up. They brought him in in CR because he was the best card player in the department, not because he was their #1 agent or M's favorite. Use it again to keep Bond involved because after CR Bond can't be looking too pretty with what happens in that story (see script reviews and the obvious conclusion). And if it is popular and well done in CR (hopefully with a different game so that it's not too much of a fasmilie) it should be done again, if only briefly in the pre-title.

It could be the essence of Moonraker without actually making it feel like any of the previous films. God knows Moonraker was raped as a novel for film. It's very doable without having anyone really draw any comparisons between it (Bond 22) and Moonraker (the film) or Die Another Day.

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[JimmyBond]

I agree. The movie didn't give the book any justice. But the public wouldn't accept it.

They made DAD a hit. Seems like they'll accept anything as long as it has a character named James Bond

[Frankie]

Replying to Moonraker for 22

I agree. EON should have a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie apologizing for their previous Moonraker effort. That woul be cool.

[deth]

a part of me wants to see TSWLM novel adapted... I know I know.. it can't happen....

[wide of the mark]

MR can defenitely happen. Heck, my sn is a proto-name for the novel, along with various others. Sure some touching up would be needed to make this book desireable, but in my opinion, not as much as CR. I mean, it seems like half of the novel has been re-written and some more sinister terroristic traits have been enlaced. Certainly MR can work. Like this, The bomb plot is perfectly fine for the ever increasingly insecure world, so Britan is bound to want to step up its protection. With a man whom has a new identity seems like the perfect Bond area for people trying to destroy the country, even the destroying the UK is a modern idea (compared to movies like DAD). Plus it would be cool to see bond get in a car wreck again.

At last, the espionage aspects (forgetting the whole filing-cabinet thing) is marvelous. I see no reason why this can't be tagged up to CR level.

[Tiin007]

Welcome to CBn, wide of the mark. I totally agree with you- if CR can be made into a faithful adaptation, all the more so can MR. By the way, how are things going down at the moonraker test site?