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[archer1949]

Why "A Blofeld-like" villain? If this is a reboot, why not bring back Blofeld himself? SPECTRE? The whole shebang?

Hasn't that McClory mess been handled yet? Doesn't EON have the rights back?

Edited by archer1949, 12 May 2006 - 06:37 AM.

[dunmall]

personally i don't really see the reason to bring back a concept that has not only, already been done very well, but also been parodied by every man and his dog ever since.

[Skudor]

personally i don't really see the reason to bring back a concept that has not only, already been done very well, but also been parodied by every man and his dog ever since.

I think the similiarities would be very few - other than the recurrent nature of the character.

[MarcAngeDraco]

I think the similiarities would be very few - other than the recurrent nature of the character.

I agree with Skudor on this. I don't think the reference to a "Blofeld-type" villain was meant to imply that the villain would actually resemble Blofeld in any way (other than being a main villain that reoccurs, and possibly is the head of some nefarious organization).

[Destroy Sillicon Valley]

I thought I was alone in my desire to see Hinds as a Bond Villain.
If there is to be a Blofeld-style villain Hinds would be a superb choice.
He's got tremendous presence. Importantly he's a sturdy-looking man (I always had trouble buying Pleasance as the leader of a crime syndicate. I understand there is something Napoleonic or Hitlerish about a small man in control, but I still feel Pleasance is too weedy, too likely to be usurped by beefier, more charismatic lieutenants. Savalas at least runs, shoots, skis, fights etc.) A Blofeld type must intimidate, but has age and experience. Doesn't Fleming describe a man whose muscles are just turning to fat? No offence Mr. Hinds, but you are a stocky man, just the other side of middle age - a man who may have fought and then thought his way up to rank as commander of a terrorist or criminal network. In short you're perfect for this type of character.

I just hope, whoever the villain is - he actually does villainous things. Like kill people perhaps. And I don't mean 'try' and kill Bond, or 'try' and cause a nuclear explosion. Actually kill good characters. I say this because the last two; Graves and Renard, were pathetic baddies. Compared to Franz Sanchez, or Max Zorin - characters that are ruthless and identifiably dangerous - they just don't cut the mustard. The new antagonists must demonstrate their villainy. Bond is at his most successful when we see him go up against worthy adversaries. Feeding Felix Leiter to a shark and killing his wife is villainous. Making a man hold, uh, a hot rock and then shooting one of your own employees (TWINE) doesn't compare.

[archer1949]

I just hope, whoever the villain is - he actually does villainous things. Like kill people perhaps. And I don't mean 'try' and kill Bond, or 'try' and cause a nuclear explosion. Actually kill good characters. I say this because the last two; Graves and Renard, were pathetic baddies. Compared to Franz Sanchez, or Max Zorin - characters that are ruthless and identifiably dangerous - they just don't cut the mustard. The new antagonists must demonstrate their villainy. Bond is at his most successful when we see him go up against worthy adversaries. Feeding Felix Leiter to a shark and killing his wife is villainous. Making a man hold, uh, a hot rock and then shooting one of your own employees (TWINE) doesn't compare.

I always thought the real villain of TWINE was Elektra. Renard was just a henchman getting played. Killing your own father and torturing your current boy-toy is pretty cold. Not Sanchez cold, but she held her own, I thought.

And I am not saying they should bring back the bald guy stroking the white cat, I just think that the names Blofeld and SPECTRE are so identified with Bond that not bringing them back at some point would make this "Restart" seem incomplete. And since SPECTRE is not inextricably linked to the Cold War like SMERSH, updating them would be pretty simple.

[Destroy Sillicon Valley]

True. Elektra was in essence the mastermind antagonist. Renard was subject to her demands. And yes, she was manipulative and cruel. I wonder if it would be a bad idea to make the new continuity Blofeld villain a woman. An anti-M of sorts. An expansion of the type of character Elektra is. Though this soon after TWINE is a bit too repetitious, even by oo7 standards.

Gustav Graves, however, was still a wasted opportunity. Even in that ludicrous armour he wasn't threatening. Despite him engineering the discrediting of 007, he wasn't compelling as an antagonist. Not Tobey Stevens' fault mind you. It's the scripting most likely. Bond recovers from his disgrace all too easily, so it no longer holds any revenge value with a viewer. Graves is left with shooting his father (cold, but not really relating to the fate of our protagonist) destroying a minefield (is that sooo bad?) and trying to drown Jinx (I think most of us were rooting for him on that one.).

I hope Le Chiffre, and this potential mastermind-behind-the-curtains possess the type of menace Bond deserves.

[archer1949]

and trying to drown Jinx (I think most of us were rooting for him on that one.).

Amen to that. Actually, I was hoping Frost would skewer the annoying bitch, but it was not to be.

By the by, can EON use the Gardner novels? Icebreaker would be a cool way to bring back SPECTRE and introduce Blofeld's daughter. She was a good mastermind-type villain

[Qwerty]

By the by, can EON use the Gardner novels? Icebreaker would be a cool way to bring back SPECTRE and introduce Blofeld's daughter. She was a good mastermind-type villain

I believe they can, but don't seem likely to do so.

[Gri007]

I can remember reading in an interview with Toby Stephens when he was playing Graves in DAD, that a new Blofeld like villain would be occuring

[Qwerty]

I can remember reading in an interview with Toby Stephens when he was playing Graves in DAD, that a new Blofeld like villain would be occuring

In Die Another Day?

[Gri007]

Not to sure qwerty.

If somebody handles diamonds in a Bond film does that automatically mean that there an incarnation of Blofeld?

[MattofSteel]

Throw Bond in against The Union, from Benson's books.

With the new direction they are apparently taking the serious, I think HTTK, DoubleShot, and Never Dream of Dying (well not so much that last one, it relies pretty heavyily on the Tracy backstory) would work as great new films. HTTK especially, given the same approach they've taken with CR - maybe amp the action up in spots, but keep the main story intact. And make sure the director is someone who won't deliver "James Bond 007 in....Cliffhanger!"

Just my idea.

[burnman7700]

I always think up Bond movies in my head due to my unusual amount of spare time. The villain in 2 of my movies would be a SPECTRE guy. I thought that Damian Falco could be a bad guy like that. Although, he would only be a main villain in one movie, it would be revealed that he was the one behind the events of the preceeding film (you would need two of my movie ideas to be films for this to work). I also think that the bond films should be more real and make references to other bond films, like a real person would make references to past experiences.

Gustav Graves, however, was still a wasted opportunity. Even in that ludicrous armour he wasn't threatening. Despite him engineering the discrediting of 007, he wasn't compelling as an antagonist. Not Tobey Stevens' fault mind you. It's the scripting most likely. Bond recovers from his disgrace all too easily, so it no longer holds any revenge value with a viewer. Graves is left with shooting his father (cold, but not really relating to the fate of our protagonist) destroying a minefield (is that sooo bad?) and trying to drown Jinx (I think most of us were rooting for him on that one.).

I was not a big fan of DAD, but I thought that the fact that Graves was trying to blow up the mine field was bad because he was trying to start a war. I mean, this guy wasn't just a petty villain.

I think that the Bond fils should be more real like 24, and have the action, stunts, and teamwork (I know that sounds stupid) of Mission Impossible: 3.

[JB007YH]

I think Hopkins would make a terrific M if the character was changed back to a male character.as for villians, i think michael chicklis might be a good henchman.

[Jericho_One]

I don't know how I forgot this guy.

Bruce Payne is already a good movie villain.
In my opinion. he would be an excelent Bond villain.

[Robert Watts]

I hope we never see Blofeld again.

Same goes for carbon copies.

It has become such a parody and a clich