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[TheREAL008]

It's kind of weird to not thinkof Bond without a tux. But also when you walk into a Monte Carlo casino what WILL a person wear?

Tradition

[Alex Zamudio]

This is just another little element that shows to me that that Mike and Babs have high regards for the Timothy Dalton era, and want to return to the tone of those films, sure there was a tux in LTK, but for the core of the film Bond is quite informal, and it suits his mission well... I'm glad EON are
dispensing with spectacle this time around. Craig is a very cool and striking looking guy, he will do well in classy, smart clothing and the usual tailored suits.

[Leon]

T'isnt a Monte Carlo casino, but that's beside the point. I have been in a very classy casino on the south of France and most people wore nice suits, the odd one just dress shoes, trousers and dress shirt. There may have been one or two dinner jackets around in the restaurant, and the croupiers wore those kind of collarless dinner jackets without bow tie.

It's not the necessary attire for casinos any more. It's usually very classy restaurants which require dinner jackets, but as far as I have seen so far they allow normal suits as well.

Anyway it's not tradition, Bond didn't wear a tux in FRWL, YOLT, LALD...maybe more. And before you say he did in FRWL not quite that wasn't Bond remember.

[deth]

I hope they don't make him look too much like his Layer Cake character minus the jeans...

[Bond Bug]

Not surprising Bond will not wear a suit. Remember this is a James Bond "begins" story. Bond is at the start of his career, younger than Connery in Doctor No. Really we are looking at a sort of Cody Banks. Luckily for us, Eon have chosen a very youthful looking actor in the form of Daniel Craig.

[Carver]

I hope they don't make him look too much like his Layer Cake character minus the jeans...

What about how he looked at the end? His beige suit was near enough identical to the one Brosnan wore in TWINE...
Anyway, on topic- I'm not really fussed as to whether Craig wears a tux or not in CR. Yes, there are the arguments for and against this, but just seeing him in a suit and tie will be ok for me, it doesn't have to be the classic Bond tux (although IMO he has to wear one for the gunbarrel). I'm more concerned with who will play Vesper, whether there will be a Le Chiffre and other, more important aspects of the film that we're yet to discover.

[dinovelvet]

My 2 cents, I couldn't really give a toss whether he wears a tux or not. No tux didn't make YOLT any better, and didn't make LALD any worse (or vice versa). I will be concerned about anything that will increase or decrease the quality of the film in any way. A tuxedo is not one of these things, so its a big 'so what' from me, and let's move on.

[Bryce (003)]

Well, I'm a tux man, but that's just me.

It is part of Bond but, as stated multiple times above, YOLT, LALD didn't suffer from it.

I'd like to see him in a tux, but I won't be totally turned off by the film if he's not.

[ACE]

As has been stated here previously, Bond did not wear a tux in FRWL, YOLT and LALD.

Bond did not actually meet Moneypenny in LTK and DAD.

Bond did not meet Q in LALD.

There is precedent for all of CR's pushing of the envelope.

I personally think the black tie iconography goes with Bond and especially in a place like the Casino Royale (although, admittedly one would look out of place in the casinos I've been to). Shame if it true! But no biggie...

[Seannery]

As has been stated here previously, Bond did not wear a tux in FRWL, YOLT and LALD.

Bond did not actually meet Moneypenny in LTK and DAD.

Bond did not meet Q in LALD.

There is precedent for all of CR's pushing of the envelope.

I personally think the black tie iconography goes with Bond and especially in a place like the Casino Royale (although, admittedly one would look out of place in the casinos I've been to). Shame if it true! But no biggie...

Yes like ACE I like the tux but no biggie not to have it here.

[RITZ]

What?!
No tux?....not even one five minute scene? Bah! No that's just wrong.

Well, ok, it's a new departure right and its been done before (Moore). Hope this works well in the film. Wardrobes for all actors better be good!

[Qwerty]

This is fine. If it works for the way the movie is working, then by all means. I don't want to see a Bond car or a Bond tux which adds nothing to a scene or the overall film just for the reason of having one.

[luciusgore]

He should be definitely shown wearing a tux at one moment. If they mess with the formula too much, they're going to mess it up. If Brosnan had starred, then maybe. But they have a new actor. It won't even be a Bond film if they mess with the formula too much. It'll be another LTK failure, which is what it's looking like.

[Seannery]

He should be definitely shown wearing a tux at one moment. If they mess with the formula too much, they're going to mess it up. If Brosnan had starred, then maybe. But they have a new actor. It won't even be a Bond film if they mess with the formula too much. It'll be another LTK failure, which is what it's looking like.

I agree there is a risk of that but the tux by itself won't kill things.

[Leon]

he hasn't worn a tux in all the films.

[Gobi-1]

If true I'll be extremely disappointed. To me the main appeal of Bond has been the fact that he fights bad guys were wearing a tuxedo. Now true it actually doesn't happen that often as he's usually just wearing a suit and tie but considering this is Casino Royale, and that this film gives insight into all the Bond trademarks it's seems rather odd to leave the tux out.

Craig should at least wear it in the opening gun barrel if not in the actual film itself.

[zencat]

Craig should at least wear it in the opening gun barrel if not in the actual film itself.

If there is an opening gunbarrel?

[Andrew]

Craig should at least wear it in the opening gun barrel if not in the actual film itself.

If there is an opening gunbarrel?

I sure hope so. I think there will be, Craig did say that its a Bond film "first and foremost"

I really hope that he'll be in a naval uniform for the gun barrel.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Craig should at least wear it in the opening gun barrel if not in the actual film itself.

If there is an opening gunbarrel?

I was about to chime in with the same question.
Moreso then that, will the trademark Monty Norman theme still be in-tact or summoned at all?
'Batman Begins' did away with the Elfman-theme which up to that point really had been synonymous with the Batman character (some would argue still is).

Edited by Roger Moore's Bad Facelift, 23 January 2006 - 12:20 AM.

[Andrew]

'Batman Begins' did away with the Elfman theme which up to that point really had been synonymous with the character (some would arge it still is).

Batman Forever did away with the Elfman theme I believe

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

'Batman Begins' did away with the Elfman theme which up to that point really had been synonymous with the character (some would arge it still is).

Batman Forever did away with the Elfman theme I believe

Not entirely, the 'Forever' theme was highly derivative of the Elfman theme
Goldsmith merely tinkered with what Danny Elfman had previously laid down.

Edited by Roger Moore's Bad Facelift, 23 January 2006 - 12:18 AM.

[ACE]

Have all of us missed something?
Hidden in plain sight?

What was he wearing in the only publicity still?

He must have been fitted for a tux.

Good point about the gunbarrel - if there is one.

Sure this flippant remark has got us shooting at ourselves. Again!

[steamedbroccoli]

Hi,

Just a thought: I seem to remember that, at the time of the release of "Ocean's 11," some in the media compared Danny Ocean to James Bond. Note that the character spent a lot of time in impeccable suits, with an open-collared shirt... and Clooney epitomized worldly flair.

So, at first, I gasped at the news (if it's true). But now I find myself agreeing with those who aren't worried about it.

[Harmsway]

Just a thought: I seem to remember that, at the time of the release of "Ocean's 11," some in the media compared Danny Ocean to James Bond. Note that the character spent a lot of time in impeccable suits, with an open-collared shirt... and Clooney epitomized worldly flair.

In a lot of ways, Danny Ocean represented the more contemporary cool, and I would love to see Craig follow in a similar sort of style. Very high quality, high class, a lot of flair - but still up to date.

I don't mind the tuxedo being absent, but I wonder if he'll be wearing the tux for the gunbarrel logo, or perhaps on the posters. We'll see.

[Royal Dalton]

I can't say I think this is a great idea, if it's true.

Daniel Craig's unconventional looks are going to be difficult enough to sell to Joe Sixpack as it is, IMO, without watering-down the iconography as well.

But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out.

[Harmsway]

I can't say I think this is a great idea, if it's true.

Daniel Craig's unconventional looks are going to be difficult enough to sell to Joe Sixpack as it is, IMO, without watering-down the iconography as well.

But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out.

Well, I think it's a risky move, especially with lessening a lot of the standard 007 elements. That said, I love risks!

[SeanValen00V]

I can't say I think this is a great idea, if it's true.

Daniel Craig's unconventional looks are going to be difficult enough to sell to Joe Sixpack as it is, IMO, without watering-down the iconography as well.

But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out.

I think this film is becoming less James Bond every month, producers are toying with a successful fanchise, I hope the general public are not in for a rude awakening.

I'm not saying this because of the Tux, but everything, people talk about Dalton, but he still looked like Bond, Craig is something else, he's unlike any picture of the general idea of what people see in Bond, and add that he's not allowed to smoke, keeping Dame Judi dench around, with this talk of a bond begins, the producers didn't risk alot with brosnan, now suddenly their risking a bit too much lol, they don't know the meaning of a good balance.

Hopefully I'm wrong, I just don't trust those Bond producers with the fanchise, they always managed to screw somethings up, I dunno how anyone approved of brosnan's cgi surf scene in DAD, I think they've gone bonkers, when Brosnan said a while ago "they don't know what to do." I was worried from then on, they can hire so many talented writers and directors, but they stuck in their own EGO trip.

[Harmsway]

I think this film is becoming less James Bond every month, producers are toying with a successful fanchise, I hope the general public are not in for a rude awakening.

I'm not saying this because of the Tux, but everything, people talk about Dalton, but he still looked like Bond, Craig is something else, he's unlike any picture of the general idea of what people see in Bond, and add that he's not allowed to smoke, keeping Dame Judi dench around, with this talk of a bond begins, the producers didn't risk alot with brosnan, now suddenly their risking a bit too much lol, they don't know the meaning of a good balance.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Well, no smoking is hardly a risk for the Bond producers. I don't think the general public cares if Bond smokes or not.

[SeanValen00V]

I think this film is becoming less James Bond every month, producers are toying with a successful fanchise, I hope the general public are not in for a rude awakening.

I'm not saying this because of the Tux, but everything, people talk about Dalton, but he still looked like Bond, Craig is something else, he's unlike any picture of the general idea of what people see in Bond, and add that he's not allowed to smoke, keeping Dame Judi dench around, with this talk of a bond begins, the producers didn't risk alot with brosnan, now suddenly their risking a bit too much lol, they don't know the meaning of a good balance.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Well, no smoking is hardly a risk for the Bond producers. I don't think the general public cares if Bond smokes or not.

Yeah, but it's just another one of those things that takes away from the character, and since Casino Royale is suppose to be heavy on Bond's beginning, or certainly the book is, it kinda shows how unfaithful they are already being to the character.

Brosnan wanted to smoke in TND, but he wasn't allowed, it's apart of the character, so far Connery and Dalton the smokers are the best bonds in my book. You see when Bond could smoke, the producers let Connery and Dalton get on with it, Roger MADE a choice to play Bond tongue and cheek.

Brosnan was a hired gun, and we know he wasn't allowed to play Bond the way he wanted, Craig has limitations already, I don't think these producers have the stones for letting their actor go for it, although I think Craig will still do a good job, but it will stink of a comprimise, lots of people believe Brosnan was the best bond since connery, but they didn't give him alot to do, Craig may have potential, but when's the last solid bond script been? LTK.. for character anyway.

[Harmsway]

I hardly think smoking contributes THAT much to the character.