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[stamper]

OK, as many of you know, there is nothing lost forever in EON's world of multiple screenplays and screenwriters. They have a habit of paying writers to write stuff that is not retained in the current movie, but might appears in the next ones.

As you remember, FYEO is a compilation of all the previous "lost" script ideas from the past Bond movies.

Same might go for CR. I'm not speaking of the plot taken from the book, but the "Bond reboot" or "Bond Begins" idea.

This was supposed actually to go on BEFORE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, but Broccoli axed the idea because "the public wants to see Bond in top, not learning his trade". After 20 movies, I would say it's time for a change.

The treatment was written by Maibaum / Wilson, and I do think we might find every line of it in the final CR movie.

here's what Maibaum had to say about this rare "lost" gem :

1986 : "We decided it might be interesting to have as story about Bond's first mission and how he became the great 007. We wrote a treatment. I and Michael Wilson, thought it was quite good. There was a lot of stuff in there we regretted losing. The whole business about James Bond as a young Naval officer, a wild one that couldn't be disciplined, who was reminded by his grandfather that the family motto is "the world is not enough". Through a friend of his grandfather, he gets a chance to redeem himself by becoming a subagent".

I think all of this, will be in Casino Royale, oh yes... "nothing is lost forever" EON family motto.

[stamper]

Forgot to add, I think it totally suits Craig, "the wild one" etc... it suddenly makes sense I think... a darker, more dangerous Bond I would say.

[ACE]

As you remember, FYEO is a compilation of all the previous "lost" script ideas from the past Bond movies.

On what do you base this? That script elements from Live And Let Die were included in this film? A lot of Bond films before and after had unused script elements from previous films. I think your statement is not accurate.

Same might go for CR. I'm not speaking of the plot taken from the book, but the "Bond reboot" or "Bond Begins" idea.

This was supposed actually to go on BEFORE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, but Broccoli axed the idea because "the public wants to see Bond in top, not learning his trade". After 20 movies, I would say it's time for a change.

The treatment was written by Maibaum / Wilson, and I do think we might find every line of it in the final CR movie.

here's what Maibaum had to say about this rare "lost" gem :

1986 : "We decided it might be interesting to have as story about Bond's first mission and how he became the great 007. We wrote a treatment. I and Michael Wilson, thought it was quite good. There was a lot of stuff in there we regretted losing.  The whole business about James Bond as a young Naval officer, a wild one that couldn't be disciplined, who was reminded by his grandfather that the family motto is "the world is not enough". Through a friend of his grandfather, he gets a chance to redeem himself by becoming a subagent".

I think all of this, will be in Casino Royale, oh yes... "nothing is lost forever" EON family motto.

I agree with this. I think the roots of the reboot are in the 1985-6 concept outlined by Maibaum above.

I think we are going to see Bond in the Royal Navy going into the Secret Service.

[Mr_Wint]

Also, they can borrow "good" ideas from the Jinx movie and also from the script written for the 2005 Brosnan film. Can they possibly screw up...

[ACE]

Also, they can borrow "good" ideas from the Jinx movie and also from the script written for the 2005 Brosnan film. Can they possibly screw up... 

I agree although there was no separate script for the 2005 film. That IS Casino Royale.

[Kingdom Come]

Three things hampered the series in the 80s - Maibaum, Wilson and Glen.

[Gabe Vieira]

[quote name='ACE' date='5 January 2006 - 11:15'][quote name='Mr_Wint' date='5 January 2006 - 14:01']Also, they can borrow "good" ideas from the Jinx movie and also from the script written for the 2005 Brosnan film. Can they possibly screw up...

[stamper]

Source : Bond and beyond book, sourced I think from an interview in a magazine.

[Lounge Lizard]

1986 : "We decided it might be interesting to have as story about Bond's first mission and how he became the great 007. We wrote a treatment. I and Michael Wilson, thought it was quite good. There was a lot of stuff in there we regretted losing.  The whole business about James Bond as a young Naval officer, a wild one that couldn't be disciplined, who was reminded by his grandfather that the family motto is "the world is not enough". Through a friend of his grandfather, he gets a chance to redeem himself by becoming a subagent".

Potentially interesting, though a storyline perhaps more appropriate for a Charlie Higson continuation novel about Bond's naval days. I'm not sure I would like to see all this stuff in Casino Royale; Bond subtly betraying his background will always be more interesting on film than Bond's background being explicitly mapped out in front of us, through the use of filtered childhood flashbacks and the like. Sounds more like a BBC miniseries, The Bonds of Glencoe.

(How did Maibaum and Wilson come up with that grandfather character, by the way? What happenend to Aunt Charmian of Pett Bottom? Perhaps she didn't have enough influential friends in the government; still, she could end up in a CR draft, I suppose. Preferrably played by Judi Dench in a double role, to further underline the idea of M being a mother figure to little Jimmy. Oh, all right, I'll shut up now.)

[Turn]

The whole business about James Bond as a young Naval officer, a wild one that couldn't be disciplined, who was reminded by his grandfather that the family motto is "the world is not enough". Through a friend of his grandfather, he gets a chance to redeem himself by becoming a subagent".

I'm glad they didn't take that approach. The whole notion of bringing in Bond's family and having some kind of redemption theme just isn't Bond to me.

Also, I'm pretty sure the article itself was run in Starlog Magazine probably in the summer of 1987 because I also remember reading it. They also did a landmark interview with Maibaum in early 1983 with the Double Bond issue, which was pretty revealing for its time.

[ACE]

You're right Turn. Don't have the date but it is 1987.