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[Qwerty]

They should release it on all formats on the same day

Looks like we're going to be seeing some varied release dates once again: http://commanderbond...es/3000-1.shtml

What about filming date?

I believe very late January.

[Royal Dalton]

We're talking about a guy who smoked up to 60 (according to Thunderball) cigarettes a day, not cigars. Even according to Bond in Tomorrow Never Dies, it was a "filthy habit."

That bloke was smoking a spliff, though!

[Jack Spang]

I was just reading a review of "Legend of Zorro" it said the action was often very cheesy and unrealistic because the film is aimed at kids. Do you think Casino Royale will suffer from the same types of action sequences? What with Martin Campbell behind it and the fact that he has clearly stipulated the film is aimed at kids aswell and that is why he is doing away with the smoking.

Well, first off, lets get the incorrect statement out of there. Campbell is not "getting rid of the smoking," thats been gone for quite sometime (moreso if you disregard Dalton). A cigar, in the traditional sense of Bond, does not count as smoking. We're talking about a guy who smoked up to 60 (according to Thunderball) cigarettes a day, not cigars. Even according to Bond in Tomorrow Never Dies, it was a "filthy habit." This isn't a problem of the filmmakers, this is a problem with society - a society where smoking on film or just about anywhere is bad, while killing and sex on film is glamorized and accepted. That's just how it is. Bond adapts.

Second, The Legend of Zorro and Bond are two different franchises. I've yet to see the Legend of Zorro, but the Mask of Zorro rarely (if ever) had Zorro sticking his sword through a guy. Most of the time they ran into their own swords, their comrade's swords, or were merely wounded to the point of not being able to continue the fight (as far as sword fights went). Also don't count out GoldenEye. Look what Campbell did there and that was a Bond film. Regardless of everything said here, theres not going to be a lot of action in this film anyway. I hate to break it to you, but they've already confirmed theres only 1 explosion and that the majority of the film is faithful to the book (theres only 1 explosion in the book and that's a critical scene).

That's great. The less action the better! I heard that Campbell has a huge anti smoking stance. Your point about the cigars could very well ring true. I wondered the same thing. At the same time I thought, maybe the prodcuers aren't quite as tight about smoking since they showed Brosnan with a cigar. Falco smoked in DAD too.

Yes that certainly did look like a spliff in TND Royal Dalton.

Edited by Jack Spang, 07 January 2006 - 08:25 AM.

[SteveKingCool]

They made Bond stop smoking because it was filthy and running away from explosions so many times his cardio health must have been bad. More likly they just want to sell more tickets and toys and make the anti smoking lobby happy. I read that the budget for Casino Royale is $140 millions. $3 millions is for Daniel Craig. The same has to be for the actress. The same for the director and writer. Producers I don't know how they get paid. The hotel they are using is only 250 euros a day. Where is the rest being spent?

[Judo chop]

Where is the rest being spent?

One damn big explosion.

[Judo chop]

That damn big explosion just promoted me!

Oh joy!

[Jack Spang]

They made Bond stop smoking because it was filthy and running away from explosions so many times his cardio health must have been bad. More likly they just want to sell more tickets and toys and make the anti smoking lobby happy. I read that the budget for Casino Royale is $140 millions. $3 millions is for Daniel Craig. The same has to be for the actress. The same for the director and writer. Producers I don't know how they get paid. The hotel they are using is only 250 euros a day. Where is the rest being spent?

Exactly. Where the hell is all this money being spent? This is why I still think it will possibly even have just as much action as Goldeneye. This movie had to much for my liking. To do the book any justice it should have at least the same amount of character movement as OHMSS. I remember at the press conference they had been talking about how they'd be focusing on characters. Then Michael G. Wilson says that the film will have plenty of action. The host questioned him saying; well you said you were focusing on characters. How can you do this with alot of action? Or words to that effect. I don't think Wilson even answered him. Or he atleast said about 3 or four words that never told us anything. Eon's answers couldn't have been vaguer. It was lucky Campbell was on that panel. Just because there is only one explosion it doesn't mean the film will not be dominated with action just like the last four.

I don't know why they feel they have to make the anti smoking people happy. To hell with them, they can't do anything about it anyway. Art and artistic integrity shouldn't be compromised just to please certain members of society.

Edited by Jack Spang, 07 January 2006 - 10:18 PM.

[Gabriel]

Just because there's only one explosion doesn't mean there won't be other violence: shoot-outs, fist-fights, strangulation, knifings, car chases with multiple car wrecks . . .

oooohhh . . . I'm getting all shuddery at the thought of it

[spynovelfan]

We're talking about a guy who smoked up to 60 (according to Thunderball) cigarettes a day, not cigars.

Really? Book or film - don't remember that.

At the start of Fleming's CASINO ROYALE, we learn he's smoking his 70th cigarette of the day. He smokes several more after that, too.

[Jack Spang]

Just because there's only one explosion doesn't mean there won't be other violence: shoot-outs, fist-fights, strangulation, knifings, car chases with multiple car wrecks . . .

oooohhh . . . I'm getting all shuddery at the thought of it

I'm all for gritty, realistic action as long as the film isn't dominated by action which the last four movies have been guilty of. SOmething along the lines of OHMSs would be pretty much perfect. It had a good mix of character and story development aswell as action.

As for how graphic the film will be, not very much I don't think. Shame. The torture scene will be mostly filmed in shadow and probably won't last for very long at all. Or Campbell will cut to other scenes during it to give the effect it lasts longer

Edited by Jack Spang, 08 January 2006 - 01:31 AM.

[Leon]

Yea much more intruiguing plot and dialogue and quiet dark moody scenes with plenty of atmosphere.

However when action comes it should be real, hard hitting and as rough and violent as possible.

[SteveKingCool]

Yea much more intruiguing plot and dialogue and quiet dark moody scenes with plenty of atmosphere.

However when action comes it should be real, hard hitting and as rough and violent as possible.

We are all for that agreed? Contradicitions are there. Daniel Craig said they are making something different then in the same interview he says they are making a Bond movie first and formost. Same contradictions with the producer people.

It's a shame that the American Pie movies are more adult than James Bond movies. Strange world. Secret agent 007 can't smoke or swear and his movies cost more than $100 millions but teenagers can do everything in another hit movie that is much much cheaper to make.

[Leon]

Yes, really difficult to get your head around.

They are making a Bond film with a darker, tougher more down to earth style but keeping the larger than life characters and classic Bond elements.

What's so hard to understand about that?