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[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Here are just ideas on how the writers have adapted 'Casino Royale' to the modern world and a hypothesis on how the plot may unfold.

First Cambell has said that Bond will be a double-0 when we first meet him, its just that this will be one of his first missions. Now about the rumored villian 'Solori'. I don't think he will be a henchmen type of villian along the lines of Oddjob or Mr. Kil but more of a side villian or perhaps the first villian that Bond will face in the plot. Its said that Solori will be an african money launderer, so maybe Bonds mission for the first part of the story will be to investigate and shut down his operations. That could lead into the main story of Casino Royale with Le Chiffre as the main villain.

Now its said that the villians will be terrorists based out of a "fictitious" nation. I belive that this nation may be indeed a middle-eastern state. Although Gulsan Grover probably won't be in Royale(maybe as one of Le Chiffre's henchmen), I think he probably has seen a casting call looking for a villian in Casino Royale who is an actor who is or could pass for someone of middle-eastern decent, possibly also explaining rumors that David Suechet is up for the role. Now about Le Chiffre himself and who he is and whats his game(pun intended). What if Le Chiffre has been updated to be an intellegence officer or a diplomat from this rouge state, that also acts as a caretaker for funds for various terror attacks along the lines of the London and Madrid attacks. How about that Le Chiffre was entrusted with a large sum of money earmarked for a massive terror plot to set off bombs across all of Europe. Because Le Chiffre is more interested in his own personal gainhe decides to invest his money in a illict operation(possibly the money laundering activites of Solori) so that he turns a profit for himself and can still provide the funds for the attack. Now MI6 could uncover this when they take down Solori and in the process Le Chiffre wouls lose his funds and lauch is scheme to win it back at the card table. Now perhaps because Le Chiffre could be a diplomat he might have a special kind of immunity that makes it impossible for Mi6 to take him out without causing an international crisis so they send in Bond to make sure he doesn't win back his money and is exposed to his home country who will take care of Le Chiffre themselves. The rest of the story could be close to the novel with the details updated.

They could now have a lead into the story of Bond 22. Perhaps save the story of the assassin who killed Le Chiffre for Bond 23. If the funds in Casino Royale were going to sleeper cells waiting to pull off a massive attack perhaps the 22nd film might be about Bond tracking them down.

These are just some ideas I have.

[Gabe Vieira]

Okay, before I begin I have to say that I started this little summary last week, before IGN came out with the list of character descriptions for the film. So my summary will be a bit off-kilter now, so just pretend that it is a week ago while you read this. This is my fragment of an idea.

Le Chiffre is French-Syrian Kurd, and actually doesn't own the Casino Royale, but instead he is a "collection agent" of sorts. He jumps from casino to casino worldwide winning money, and washes it through Solari's laundering ring before the money heads to Adel Bin Sane. Bin Sane is an Iraqi-born man and the terrorist leader of a small, de-facto Kurdish state, located where the borders of Syria, Turkey, and Iraq meet.

(This gives Le Chiffre more character, allowing him to move freely all over the world, than rather him having to work out of one casino.

Also, it makes it seem as though the casinos are working together, and it makes it harder to compare the winning records of the guests, just incase someone chatches on.)

Bin Sane in not a traditional terrorist. Instead of attacking the coalition forces in the Middle East, he fights for the creation of a permanent Kurdistan state in the Middle East (This gives Le Chiffre motivation, him being a Kurd), attacking the Iraqi forces amung others. In a way, he is helping the coalition forces, but United States policy still stands: it will not condone terrorist violence.

Now, Vesper Lynd is an English-South African, and a mole for the South African, CID who is investigating Nameni Solari's money laundering ring with help from the British MI6. Not to long ago, Solari found out who she was, and bribed her to help him. She accepted.

Solari's goal is to set up a plan to trap a British agent and murder him, along with Vesper (Of course, Vesper doesn't realize that she will be killed too). Solari hopes that the agent's deaths will send a signal to Britain and South Africa to back off.

Vesper has told the CID and MI6 that she learned that a large shipment of money is coming from a casino (Not the Royale!) in the Czech Republic and headed for Solari's ring, but she doesn't know how (The last part is the truth).

MI6 sends James Bond, a six-year vetern operations coordinator for MI6, and three-week-old Double-Oh agent, to the Czech Republic. This will his second misson as 007, his first tracking down an assassin in Munich. ( )

Vesper is to meet Bond at the casino to help him identify anybody from Solari's ring (Her mission from the CID and MI6), but also to help Solari capture Bond (Her mission from Solari).

Bond first meets Vesper in the casino at night and plays some poker hands without realizing who she is, but she knows who Bond is. Then, Le Chiffre comes and sits down at the table with them (Vesper and Bond not knowing he's Le Chiffre, yet). Le Chiffre doesn't know who Bond is but knows who Vesper is, and her misson of helping Solari to kill a British agent.

Having all three of them playing poker together, not reralizng how they are connected, would make for a great scene, would it not?

After words, Bond intoduces himself (using a fake name) to Le Chiffre, who introduces himself as Michel Seirawan, then invites Bond to a poker tournament at the Casino Royale in the Bahamas, next month. Bond turns it down.

Vesper then introduces herself to Bond after Le Chiffre leaves.

For the next few days of monitoring the casino, Bond continues to notice Seirawan playing poker, and they continue to engage in conversation and a few games. Meanwhile, Bond and Vesper share some drinks, flirting, and finally the hibbidy-dibbity.

Then, Vesper allows Bond to be captured and tortured by Solari himself. Before Solari is able to kill Bond and reveal that Vesper set him up, and that she will die, Bond escapes with Vesper. Guns, running, the normal stuff. Finally, Bond catches Solari, and he gives up the name Le Chiffre. MI6 then takes Solari into custody.

I haven't quite figured out how the next part would take place, so bear with me.

Vesper returns to the CID, and MI6 tries to figure out who "Le Chiffre" really is. MI6 learns that Le Chiffre was going to all the casinos and earning money that supported Bin Sane. Since Solari is out of the picture, Bin Sane won't be getting his next shipment of money.

Somehow, the CIA learns that MI6 is looking for Le Chiffre too. They give MI6 everything they have on Le Chiffre, including a possible sketch of his face. Bond notices the man in the picture is the dude he saw back in the casino. Seirawan.

Since Seirawan lost all that money in the Czech Republic, MI6 figures that he will have to repay Bin Sane big time. Thank God, Bond knows where Le Chiffre will go to try to win back the money, and make even more. The poker tournament at the Casino Royale.

When Bond arives in the Bahamas, he meets Felix Leiter, a CIA agent who has been in the game just a bit longer than Bond has. Leiter has been working with the American DEA, trying to clean up a massive takedown of a drug lord in the Bahamas. The drug lord had invested some of his money in a a DEA dummy corporation, that was how they caught him.

Since they Americans want Le Chiffre taken down, they figure that the money the dummy corporation made, instead of going into a slush fund, they will let Bond use it in the poker tournament. Leiter is there to give Bond the limited access to the money.

The plan is that, instead of simply kiling Le Chiffre and making a mess of it, they figure that Bin Sane is now keeping tabs on Le Chiffre more than before, so if Le Chiffre looses even more money, then Bin Sane will have Le Chiffre killed.

That's all I got. I'll admit it's a bit Brosnan era-ish, but it still works I guess. And I'll admit, I haven't read the book, but I just got back from the public library, and Casino Royale is sitting right next to the computer screen. (This copy has rather large font, and is still only 187 pages. )

Hoped you liked it though.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Okay, before I begin I have to say that I started this little summary last week, before IGN came out with the list of character descriptions for the film. So my summary will be a bit off-kilter now, so just pretend that it is a week ago while you read this.    This is my fragment of an idea.

Le Chiffre is French-Syrian Kurd, and actually doesn't own the Casino Royale, but instead he is a "collection agent" of sorts. He jumps from casino to casino worldwide winning money, and washes it through Solari's laundering ring before the money heads to Adel Bin Sane. Bin Sane is an Iraqi-born man and the terrorist leader of a small, de-facto Kurdish state, located where the borders of Syria, Turkey, and Iraq meet.

(This gives Le Chiffre more character, allowing him to move freely all over the world, than rather him having to work out of one casino.

Also, it makes it seem as though the casinos are working together, and it makes it harder to compare the winning records of the guests, just incase someone chatches on.)

Bin Sane in not a traditional terrorist. Instead of attacking the coalition forces in the Middle East, he fights for the creation of a permanent Kurdistan state in the Middle East (This gives Le Chiffre motivation, him being a Kurd), attacking the Iraqi forces amung others. In a way, he is helping the coalition forces, but United States policy still stands: it will not condone terrorist violence.

Now, Vesper Lynd is an English-South African, and a mole for the South African, CID who is investigating Nameni Solari's money laundering ring with help from the British MI6. Not to long ago, Solari found out who she was, and bribed her to help him. She accepted.

Solari's goal is to set up a plan to trap a British agent and murder him, along with Vesper (Of course, Vesper doesn't realize that she will be killed too). Solari hopes that the agent's deaths will send a signal to Britain and South Africa to back off.

Vesper has told the CID and MI6 that she learned that a large shipment of money is coming from a casino (Not the Royale!) in the Czech Republic and headed for Solari's ring, but she doesn't know how (The last part is the truth).

MI6 sends James Bond, a six-year vetern operations coordinator for MI6, and three-week-old Double-Oh agent, to the Czech Republic. This will his second misson as 007, his first tracking down an assassin in Munich. ( )

Vesper is to meet Bond at the casino to help him identify anybody from Solari's ring (Her mission from the CID and MI6), but also to help Solari capture Bond (Her mission from Solari).

Bond first meets Vesper in the casino at night and plays some poker hands without realizing who she is, but she knows who Bond is. Then, Le Chiffre comes and sits down at the table with them (Vesper and Bond not knowing he's Le Chiffre, yet). Le Chiffre doesn't know who Bond is but knows who Vesper is, and her misson of helping Solari to kill a British agent.

Having all three of them playing poker together, not reralizng how they are connected, would make for a great scene, would it not?

After words, Bond intoduces himself (using a fake name) to Le Chiffre, who introduces himself as Michel Seirawan, then invites Bond to a poker tournament at the Casino Royale in the Bahamas, next month. Bond turns it down.

Vesper then introduces herself to Bond after Le Chiffre leaves.

For the next few days of monitoring the casino, Bond continues to notice Seirawan playing poker, and they continue to engage in conversation and a few games. Meanwhile, Bond and Vesper share some drinks, flirting, and finally the hibbidy-dibbity.

Then, Vesper allows Bond to be captured and tortured by Solari himself. Before Solari is able to kill Bond and reveal that Vesper set him up, and that she will die, Bond escapes with Vesper. Guns, running, the normal stuff. Finally, Bond catches Solari, and he gives up the name Le Chiffre. MI6 then takes Solari into custody.

I haven't quite figured out how the next part would take place, so bear with me.

Vesper returns to the CID, and MI6 tries to figure out who "Le Chiffre" really is. MI6 learns that Le Chiffre was going to all the casinos and earning money that supported Bin Sane. Since Solari is out of the picture, Bin Sane won't be getting his next shipment of money.

Somehow, the CIA learns that MI6 is looking for Le Chiffre too. They give MI6 everything they have on Le Chiffre, including a possible sketch of his face. Bond notices the man in the picture is the dude he saw back in the casino. Seirawan.

Since Seirawan lost all that money in the Czech Republic, MI6 figures that he will have to repay Bin Sane big time. Thank God, Bond knows where Le Chiffre will go to try to win back the money, and make even more. The poker tournament at the Casino Royale.

When Bond arives in the Bahamas, he meets Felix Leiter, a CIA agent who has been in the game just a bit longer than Bond has. Leiter has been working with the American DEA, trying to clean up a massive takedown of a drug lord in the Bahamas. The drug lord had invested some of his money in a a DEA dummy corporation, that was how they caught him.

Since they Americans want Le Chiffre taken down, they figure that the money the dummy corporation made, instead of going into a slush fund, they will let Bond use it in the poker tournament. Leiter is there to give Bond the limited access to the money.

The plan is that, instead of simply kiling Le Chiffre and making a mess of it, they figure that Bin Sane is now keeping tabs on Le Chiffre more than before, so if Le Chiffre looses even more money, then Bin Sane will have Le Chiffre killed.

That's all I got. I'll admit it's a bit Brosnan era-ish, but it still works I guess. And I'll admit, I haven't read the book, but I just got back from the public library, and Casino Royale is sitting right next to the computer screen. (This copy has rather large font, and is still only 187 pages.  )

Hoped you liked it though. 

Yes, It is rather good.

Too bad they aren't using the mid-eastern angle(although I see why, the film is coming out in Syria and other Arab nations)

[Agent 76]

I like it very much. Great plot work Gabe, it makes sense, and if it follows that plotline in the movie, I will not mind at all.

[Andrew]

I actually really like it. However I think that Vesper being a double shouldn't be revealed until the climax of the film(after her death).

If the film turns out anything like that I'd be happy.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Okay, here's my updated idea about the plot based on the recent news.

The villians are a new SPECTRE like organization, they stand to profit from the new war on terror and intend to instigate as much chaos and anarchy as possible. Their main operation at the moment is funding a insurgency in Sudan in an attempt to start a civil war and destablize the region. They are using funds from their various illicit dealings in eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union to support the rebels led by Solori. MI6 has learned that the organization has their top agent the unknown "Le Chiffre" in charge of moving the money to Solori via casinos. MI6 also uncovered that Le Chiffre may be involoved in embezeling funds for his own personal gain. Its Bond's job to uncover Le Chiffre and with the help of Vesper Lynd, Felix Leiter and Massus expose him to his organization.

At first Bond will suspect that the sinister Demitrius may be "Le Chiffre". Bond cleans him out but later learns that Demitrius is actually a henchmen for the real Le Chiffre who is actually the casino owner. The main plot is revealed to be the sale of hijacked predator drones which are to be used by Solori to take out the leaders of the Sudanese goverment. Le Chiffre had been using Demitrius to invest the funds in No limit Poker tournaments to increse the funds so they can both purchase the predators and turn a profit for himself. However Bond has cleaned out Demitrius forcing Le Chiffre to reveal himself. Bond could have seduced Demitrius's girl Solonge into helping him win at the casino. She will pay with her life. Vesper is kidnapped, Bond gives chase and is captured private estate on a small island. He is tortured by Le Chiffre's girlfriend while Le Chiffre looks on. Bond holds out and Le Chiffre finds his private estate under assult from his own organization who are onto him. Vesper and Bond get escape by boat and as they are going off the estate is blown up by a predator missle in the distance(the one explosion). Bond belives that someone must have sold him out and suspects Massus. Bond finds himself falling for Vesper and he goes on leave with her. He intends to marry her but before he can she kills herself and reveals that she was the double agent.

The end.

I'm just rambling out various ideas. I think the reason why the sources close to the film aren't calling the villian Le Chiffre is because it may be a plot twist. Whoever may be cast as the villian probably won't be reffered as Le Chiffre untill the movie. They will probably give him a new name and have the character of Le Chiffre be a codename. They may want to make us think that Demitrius is Le Chiffre but then pull a big reveal that it was the young 30 something year old Casino owner that is Le Chiffre and pulling Demitrius's strings. That could explain somethings and add mystery and complexity to the plot. Kind of like the whole Moon/Graces twist or like the more recent Batman Begins Ducard/Ra's Al Ghul.

Well it very early in the morning over here. I guess that's it for now.

[Leon]

...Le Chiffre doesn;t make a living out of casinos, he does it the once out of desperation because French police squads have raided his brothel chains and he's lost loads of SMERSH funds.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

...Le Chiffre doesn;t make a living out of casinos, he does it the once out of desperation because French police squads have raided his brothel chains and he's lost loads of SMERSH funds.

I know that. I read the novel. These are just some ideas about how the story could be updated. It seems pretty clear that we won't be going to France, it's unlikly that Le Chiffre will be investing in brothels, and SMERSH is long gone.

[Gabe Vieira]

Yes, It is rather good.

Too bad they aren't using the mid-eastern angle(although I see why, the film is coming out in Syria and other Arab nations)

I like it very much. Great plot work Gabe, it makes sense, and if it follows that plotline in the movie, I will not mind at all.

I actually really like it. However I think that Vesper being a double shouldn't be revealed until the climax of the film(after her death).

If the film turns out anything like that I'd be happy.

Thanks alot guys. I know that Vesper being a double agent shouldn't come uot until the end, I was just trying to get out all the information I needed to start the summary.

And not to brag or anything, I do really like my idea about having a terrorist leader a Syrian who fights for a Kurdish state (Bin Sane), and Le Chiffre being a Freanch Syrian Kurd. Like I said, it gives Le Chiffre motive to help Bin Sane. It also ties in the Middle Eastern themes and the villain still reamins French; French ethnicity is very high in Syria for some reason.

Can somebody comment on that idea for me? I just like feedback on my ideas from other people.

[Gabe Vieira]

Okay, here's my updated idea about the plot based on the recent news.

The villians are a new SPECTRE like organization, they stand to profit from the new war on terror and intend to instigate as much chaos and anarchy as possible. Their main operation at the moment is funding a insurgency in Sudan in an attempt to start a civil war and destablize the region. They are using funds from their various illicit dealings in eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union to support the rebels led by Solori. MI6 has learned that the organization has their top agent the unknown "Le Chiffre" in charge of moving the money to Solori via casinos. MI6 also uncovered that Le Chiffre may be involoved in embezeling funds for his own personal gain. Its Bond's job to uncover Le Chiffre and with the help of Vesper Lynd, Felix Leiter and Massus expose him to his organization.

At first Bond will suspect that the sinister Demitrius may be "Le Chiffre". Bond cleans him out but later learns that Demitrius is actually a henchmen for the real Le Chiffre who is actually the casino owner. The main plot is revealed to be the sale of hijacked predator drones which are to be used by Solori to take out the leaders of the Sudanese goverment. Le Chiffre had been using Demitrius to invest the funds in No limit Poker tournaments to increse the funds so they can both purchase the predators and turn a profit for himself. However Bond has cleaned out Demitrius forcing Le Chiffre to reveal himself. Bond could have seduced Demitrius's girl Solonge into helping him win at the casino. She will pay with her life. Vesper is kidnapped, Bond gives chase and is captured private estate on a small island. He is tortured by Le Chiffre's girlfriend while Le Chiffre looks on. Bond holds out and Le Chiffre finds his private estate under assult from his own organization who are onto him. Vesper and Bond get escape by boat and as they are going off the estate is blown up by a predator missle in the distance(the one explosion). Bond belives that someone must have sold him out and suspects Massus. Bond finds himself falling for Vesper and he goes on leave with her. He intends to marry her but before he can she kills herself and reveals that she was the double agent.

The end.

I'm just rambling out various ideas. I think the reason why the sources close to the film aren't calling the villian Le Chiffre is because it may be a plot twist. Whoever may be cast as the villian probably won't be reffered as Le Chiffre untill the movie. They will probably give him a new name and have the character of Le Chiffre be a codename. They may want to make us think that Demitrius is Le Chiffre but then pull a big reveal that it was the young 30 something year old Casino owner that is Le Chiffre and pulling Demitrius's strings. That could explain somethings and add mystery and complexity to the plot. Kind of like the whole Moon/Graces twist or like the more recent Batman Begins Ducard/Ra's Al Ghul.

Well it very early in the morning over here. I guess that's it for now.

I really like that. Like I said, I wrote mine before IGN's scoop on the characters, but if I hadn't, then it would be something like your's.

And I was thinking about the same thing you were, where they think that Demitrius is Le Chiffre, then it turns out to be someone else. Like you said, a Ducard/ Ra's Al Ghul thing. That would be really cool.

Hey, if I did another summary, a more updated one, whould you mind if I stole some of your ideas?

[Rolex]

I like it but i think its would be too complicated for the average film goer

[Harmsway]

I like it but i think its would be too complicated for the average film goer

It's no more complicated than the Brosnan film plots.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I really like that.  Like I said, I wrote mine before IGN's scoop on the characters, but if I hadn't, then it would be something like your's.

And I was thinking about the same thing you were, where they think that Demitrius is Le Chiffre, then it turns out to be someone else. Like you said, a Ducard/ Ra's Al Ghul thing. That would be really cool.

Hey, if I did another summary, a more updated one, whould you mind if I stole some of your ideas? 

Thanks! And feel free to use whichever ideas you like. It's all in good fun!

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I like it but i think its would be too complicated for the average film goer

Actually, not really. Look at alot of new movies that have come out. Batman Begins, the upcoming MI:3, and not just Brosnan but alot of the other Bond films. The average movie goer loves a few plot twists and complex story. You got to suprise the audeience and keep them guessing. It's more fun that way.

[Gabe Vieira]

I like it but i think its would be too complicated for the average film goer

It's no more complicated than the Brosnan film plots.

Nothing can beat The World is Not Enough. I honestly still don't get all of the story. Good job, Purvis and Wade!

[tdalton]

I'm just rambling out various ideas. I think the reason why the sources close to the film aren't calling the villian Le Chiffre is because it may be a plot twist.

That would actually be a very good plot twist. Have the audience guessing as to who Le Chiffre actually is throughout the film until the situation finally forces him to reveal that to Bond.

[Pussfeller]

That would be a very interesting twist, but tough for EON to cover up. How would the villain/s be credited?

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

That would be a very interesting twist, but tough for EON to cover up. How would the villain/s be credited?

It could be done like the Ra's al Ghul/Henri Ducard twist in Batman Begins. In the credits Liam Nesson was credited as Henri Ducard and Ken Watanabe was Ra's al Ghul. There was contravest amongst the fan community that Watanabe was all wrong for the role of Al Ghul. In course of that film it was revealed that Watanabe's character was a red herring and The character of Ducard was actually Ra's.

One way for EONto pull off a twist is to give a the main villian a diffrent name other than Le Chiffre. Us fans will go crazy how they removed Le Chiffre from the story and how it looks like this Demitrius character is translation of Le Chiffre from the novel. Then when will see the film we will learn that MI6 doesn't no who this enemy agent is other than he is codenamed Le Chiffre. We will be thrown red herrings in the form of Demitrius, Massus, Maybe even Solori but then we will find out that Le Chiffre was that yet to be named Main villian from Stax's first report or maybe his girlfriend, Solonge, or Vesper! Anything is possible and if they can keep guess until we see the film all the better.

[Gabe Vieira]

Hey, I just thought of something.

Okay, so today we learned that Michael Youn has been screen tested for the role of the villain. But Simon Abkarian has already been cast as Demetrius. Could Youn be Le Chiffre? Maybe.

But what if, when Youn gets the part of the villain, it's announced that his character is named something other than Le Chiffre? That could hint that one of them could really be Le Chiffre.

Bond's mission could be to figure out which one is really Le Chiffre. That's what everyone has been talking about; EON attempting to pull a Ducard/ Al Ghul on us. That's what everyone would expect.

But what if, it turns out that NEITHER is Le Chiffre. Ah-ha!

Say that Abkarian and Youn were associates of Solari and they did something to piss Solari off. So Solari tips off athorities about someone named Le Chiffre who is donating casino winnings to rebels in the Sudan. Solari sends Abkarian and Youn to go win some money for him, and then get killed by MI6 'cause they think that one of them was Le Chiffre.

Also, Vesper was sent by Solari to manipulate Bond somehow into killing both Abkarian and Youn; and Bond gets captured by either Abkarian or Youn and they torture him for information on why he is there. But it donesn't matter!

They whole plot is basically "fake"! Solari made the entire thing up just so two rat bastards of get killed and he would have their blood on his hands.

What do you think? I might actually have to work this into my "updated" short summary on Casino Royale.

And real quick, does anyone like the idea that the Darfur Confilct being used as the central focus of Casino Royale, rather than the War on Terror? I do. Go look into it.

[tdalton]

That would be a very interesting twist, but tough for EON to cover up. How would the villain/s be credited?

They could credit the actor playing the actual Le Chiffre with another name, since "Le Chiffre" itself is an alias. Perhaps through a portion of the movie, Le Chiffre could go by one of his other aliases, which Bond and MI6 are unaware of, and then Bond eventually figures out that that character is in fact Le Chiffre.