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[morganhavoc]

I think Stratus has the most compelling argument.

If the people saying Craig is taller than 5'9" would view Layer Cake they would notice he is shorter than almost everyone else in the film, including extras. The still from Layer Cake is an illusion of the camera angle and possible Craig is standing on a box. He is much shorter than the other actors shown in the photo. It's harder to trick the eye when the actors are moving around in a scene.
Didn't mean to start a fight when I started this thread, Just think the little guy falls "short" in measuring up to James Bond in yet another way.

[Red Renard]

Nothing to see here, move along...

Edited by Red Renard, 21 November 2005 - 07:27 PM.

[Stratus]

That's a picture of Matt Damon.Not Jude Law.

ummm I know

Again, check out 5'10 Damon, notice Paltrow's heels, at least a good inch or two.

[Red Renard]

ummm I know

Yep I misread it, thought I'd edited it, didn't actually edit it and have now ended up looking a bit silly...

[Stratus]

aaah its not a big deal

[Red Renard]

Cheers!

[kevrichardson]

Brosnan always exaggerated his height.He sometimes says he is 6"2" and sometimes 6"1".In reality pierce is 5"11" or maximum 6 ft.not more than that for sure.Daniel Craig is average height about 5"9".Not more than that for sure.

The height thing is exaggerated . Since Cubby Broccoli offer Bond to Mel Gibson . Who is only 5'8" . Prior to that Gibson had been very sucessful as a action /adventure star . Mad Max , etc , etc . Since EON is going with a film that is closer to the Literary Bond , Craig is more in keeping the Fleming image than that of Connery .

[Leon]

http://www.allmoviep...ethpaltrow.html

Paltrow is listed as 5'10 here.



Colm Meaney on the right is 5'11, George Harris (the black guy on the futher right) is 6'3

We could go on like this forever.

Again, also, it doesn't matter! It' a FILM, if he needs to be made to look an inch or two taller that's no problem at all.

Please, you don't even know if Colm Meaney is actually 5'11. Half the time in Layer Cake there is a lot of different Camera angles in it (stylistic purposes). Are you going to easily discount the pictures I posted because it does not suit your beliefs?

Snapping info off a random site that says she is 5'10 means jack squat - how about providing some level of photographic evidence like I did (i.e. head to toe). That very same site says Jude Law is 5'11 despite the fact he explicitly stated publically he is 5'9 - I guess that tells you something doesn't it? Your picture does not include Craig from head to toe in a straight stance without a camera angle (a type of problem you yourself pointed out). THEN you on to say "it's a film it doesn't matter" to quickly change the flow of conversation.

You are right, it could go on forever, only if you provide some substantial evidence to begin with to counter me. Craig is 5'9-5'10. You deal with that and admit it and I will happily move along. I never said there was anything wrong with it either.

Well done, you used a braincell more than the others here. I said that to make a point that I don't know but also YOU don't know how tall any of these people are either. You make these statements about peoples heights and when another makes a counter statement you say "you don't know how tall he is". Well no and neither do you.

Finally, for the millionth time, height doesn't matter. He isn't a short person, especially for an actor, and on film they can make people look how they want them to.

[Mister Asterix]

Tall enough.

[Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007]

People are NOT bitching about his height or whatever people are sick and tried of hearing about how tall an average height man is, that's all.

Again with the Craig is 5-11 or 6-0 or Pierce is 6-2 stuff.


It isn't an issue of complaining about the height, it's just annoying after awhile that the average person cannot seem to grasp these heights are exagerrated then argue about it when someone points it out to them.

It's obvious that Daniel Craig is not as big as brosnan, it's obvious Brosnan is not as big as Bonds like Connery and Lazenby, it's then just stupid that some people have to argue points like that being made, not a complaint ot whatever just a simple fact being stated.

Talking about what a site claims or imdb lists or a actors site says or the actor says or comparing movie images that are distorted etc to prove somoene who is 5-9 is 5-11 is just asinine and pathetic.

He's about 5-9 or 5-10 and that's all there is to it.


It's not even an issue of people complaining he is short, like with brosnan at 6 feet (he looked GREAT in the role) it's an issue of OTHER people getting pissy and pissed off whenever someone states the guy's REAL height, which is shorter than their imagined fake heights.

[Leon]

He's about 5-9 or 5-10 and that's all there is to it.

Of course, everyone else is wrong but you have the exact height. How do you know this? According to what you have just said, which is quite right too, you really need to meet the person, remove their shoes and measure them. I am guessing you have done this then?

[Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007]

FYI I read a quote from Paltrow on another site which escaped my recollection at the moment but i am sure one of his here can hunt it down.........

anyway she said Craig is shorter than she is........

Now She is claiming she is 5-9 1/2 herself, which stars tend to exagerate their heights, now we have images posted here where she appears closer to 5-7 or 5-8.


Seriously if you want to get PICKY about it, my saying Craig is 5-10 is probably being extremely generous, but hopefully it won't be a problem that he is the first Bond to at least be noticeably to the eye below 6 feet.

Edited by Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007, 21 November 2005 - 11:58 PM.

[Bond Bombshell]

When Craig first emerged as a Bond candidate I think I was almost a lone voice who stated that he isn't very tall. It is reassuring now that most people seem to have checked him out and sussed him. It is also reassuring that most people seem to think that his height is not a problem. He is not actually short, but a good average height for a UK male, and can easily be made to look taller.

I think Stratus makes some good points about how photos can be misleading. The actors in photos need to be side by side, on even ground, and with heel size visible, in order to make reasonable height comparisons. To some extent this is also true of film appearances. I guess that actors' heights must be adjusted all the time for effect. In Craig's case, he has over ten years of work to review, and in some roles or in some scenes he may look slightly taller than in others. On the whole though, being familiar with his work, IMO he is somewhere in the region of 5'9" to 5'10".

The best evidence re Craig's height is anecdotal, i.e. comes from people who know or who have met him. Gwyneth Paltrow's problems encountered opposite him in Sylvia were well reported at the time. I distinctly remember an interview in the Sunday Telegraph magazine in which the reporter estimated Craig to be no more than 5'9". Jonathan Ross describes him as a short, wiry guy. This annoys me a bit. Why is it that tall men always describe anyone smaller than themselves as short? Have they no concept of average height or is this a reflection of some kind of superiority complex? I'm 5'10" myself, if you hadn't guessed!

Craig's problem is going to be in Bond promotional interviews. Does he wear lifts to sustain the illusion or normal footwear? Personally, I feel its more Bondian to adopt the attitude "I'm not tall, so what!" Ross knows he's not tall and will tease him unmercifully if he suddenly grows three inches.

[Dalton's Wendy]

Besides, even if he met the Bond fans' regulation height, I somehow doubt that his detractors would suddenly change their minds on him.

Very true and valid, Loomis! Height has nothing to do with anything.

Anyone who was ever seen Casablanca can see that Bogart is several inches shorter than Ingrid Bergman -- and look at what a sensation that movie still is, until this very day.

And if you don't believe me, just watch the movie again. Look at the scene where Bogey and Bergie are reliving their Parisian past. It is the afternoon of the German advance into Paris; the lovers are seated on a couch, and Bogey offers her a glass from the last bottle of good champagne left in Paris.

Now. Look at the waistband of Bogey's pants. Then look at waistband of Ingrid's skirt. It can clearly be seen that Bogey's w/b is many inches higher than that of hers.

Additionally, it is a fairly well-known fact that a small "ditch" was dug on the set, so that Ingrid could stand, or walk, in it, while she was being filmed next to Bogey.

Same thing for Charles Boyer, another of moviedom's legendary lovers . . .

Luckily, I am barely 5'4", so I can play opposite just about any leading man . . .

[Bon-san]

"How tall is King Kong?"









2 fingers of M's bourbon to the first one to get the reference.

[Dalton's Wendy]

"How tall is King Kong?"

Does it depend on whether or not the ape is smoking at the time?

[WC]

Be he tall or short, Craig is a splendid choice for Bond. Accept no substitutes.

Well, you can't really say that outright. If Craig were the short height of Mini-Me, then no matter how good an actor he is, he wouldn't, in that case, be a splendid choice!

[Bond Bombshell]

"How tall is King Kong?"

5'9", but much, much taller when he's wearing his special monkey shoes.

Dalton's Wendy, on the subject of actors working in ditches, I remember an interview with Liam Neeson. In it, he stated that during one of the Dirty Harry movies he was obliged to act in a hollow, because nobody was allowed to be as tall as Clint!

[medrecess]

Looking at the image of Craig,Meaney and Harris i can confidently say taht Daniel in reality is not short at all.I f you look at the 6"3" guy youll notice that there isnt a lot fo difference between him and craig.So ill say craig is around 5"11" or 6".

[medrecess]

Also this may seem a little out of context but if i may ask how many British men in among 5 or 6 are 6" or over.In the British context what height is perceived as tall.

[crheath]

I forgot to measure him the last time I talked to him. Sorry.

[Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007]

You assume that guy is really 6-3.


AGAIN actor's heights are almost always quite a bit exagerrated.


Also you seem to not take into account Craig is much closer to the camera, which by the looks of that image could easily be adding a depth perception of another 5 inches for Craig.

That image absolutely does not prove Craig is tall.


He's 5-9 to 5-10 average height, and it's really kind of lame that people just can't accept it.

Some of us can apparently others are having an issue about it that Bond neeeds to be taller than that so somehow they find a way to believe he is 2 to 4 inches taller than he really is.

Edited by Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007, 22 November 2005 - 05:56 AM.

[Dalton's Wendy]

AGAIN actor's heights are almost always quite a bit exagerrated.

Well, of course they are, Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007, our multi-named friend!

Take, as an example, my friend RUSSELL CROWE, with whom I had intimate cocktails last year (message to the doubters out there: yes! I have proof!.) Now, Mr. Crowe swears up and down that he is "five feet . . . eleven . . . and a half . . . and a bit." Well . . . . I don't think so!

First: someone is either 5'11" or 6'. Unless one is a tailor, who really cares about the inch breakdown?

Having seen R.C. at close range, I can tell you that this man is not a mere centimetre less than six feet -- he is more like several less. He simply is not that tall.

Again, to the disbelievers among you: watch Master and Commander: The Far Side of The World. Look at the scene, near the end, where Crowe is walking on the island of Galapagos with Paul Bettany. Paul is standing on terra firma, and Russell is standing on a rock. Russell is wearing a big English-navy-during-the-Napoleonic-Wars-Captain's-Cockaded-Hat. Paul isn't.

Russell is still shorter.

Who cares? He's still a great actor!

Would you rather have the world's tallest actor as the next BOND -- if, at the same time, he were a rotten actor?
/quote]

[Con Laz Rog Tim Bros Dan 007]

Debbie McWilliams claimed once a few years back that Eon brought Crowe in for some talk about Bond he was measured barefoot at 5-8 according to her.

PERFECT example.


I can say I have seen two of the Bonds in person, luckily when I lived in LA.

I saw Lazenby once at a car covnetion in his 60's (had shrunk probably by then)

I also saw Brosnan once at the airport, where apparently he had gotten pissed off (sorry Pierce that's what I heard) and was starting a big ruckus, drawing a crowd.....


anyway, Lazenby to me looked about 6-1.5 in his 60's and Brosnan looked about 6-1 or 6-0.5 in his 40's (which would probably be his original height)


I would say that Lazenby was probably the 6-2.5 he was listed at6 in modeling days and when he played Bond, I would say Pierce was more 6 feet, maybe 6-1.


For whatever reason somehow they felt Pierce was "short" if he was not "6-2"

That's just asinine, 6-0 to 6-1 is tall.


But now what has happened is actor's that are well below 6 feet get hiked up a lot, then the 6-0 actors get hiked up........

So a guy like Craig is hiked up to 5-11 from say 5-9 to BEGINn with then he gets Bond, and wait around 6 feet pierce is "6-2".....


well you cannot have that then Craig woulf be "small" now all of sudden Sony says Craig is as tall as Connery who measured 6-2.5 in his youth in bodybuilding.......


There is no limit to the stupidity.

Case in point, one of the guys I worked with once met Halle Berry at some hotel in Atlanta and he never stopped talking about, back when she was married to that idiot ball player.

Anyway she was always said to be 5-7 or 5-8...........

afterwards he kept talking about how hot she was but he also kept saying how shocked he was at how short she was.

he was like there was no way in hell she could possibly be anything over 5-3

He just was amazed how someone so small looked so tall on screen.......


then does Pierce dominate Berry in DAD?

She has high heels on, Pierce certainly looks no 6-2 in that sense, nor when he stands next to Salmon or Cleese he looks like s shrimp.

When he stood next to 6-6 stamper in TND he was dwarfed hardly 4 inches.

In truth pierce is probably 6-0 and 6-1 looking because he is VERY good in posture and very slender in body frame of bone structure.

He's a tall man that looks even taller by how he is built and stands etc.

But they had to make him bigger even a guy taller than most men........


What on earth would they do with Craig?

By the time CR comes out he will probably be 6-1


and yet what does it really matter? It only matters to the marketing people and the fans that can't seem to accept a guy is shorter than previous Bonds.


They need to just let it go already.

Moore was obviously not as big as Connery and Lazenby, well was that such a disaster?

DC will probably have EVERY trick emplyed to make him appear bigger, they do it with Cruise who himself said he is 5-7 and actually he can pass for 5-9 to 5-10 in his films sometimes.

So they can probably pass DC off at about 5-11 to 6-0 if they really try which they will.

But it doesn't have to be an issue with certain fans and so forth that we know he really is not that tall.

Edited by Qwerty, 23 November 2005 - 03:10 AM.

[Dalton's Wendy]

Debbie McWilliams claimed once a few years back that Eon brought Crowe in for some  talk about Bond he was measured barefoot at 5-8 according to her.

PERFECT example.

EXACTLY!!!!

When the evening was done, he stood up to help me with my coat. If Crowe was 5'11"+1/2 (as, according to IMDB he is) then I'm George Clooney!

I am not Mr. Clooney.

Neither is Russell -- nor is he 5'11" 1/2".

It's a gaff!

Crowe is not tall, Banderas is not tall, Bogart was not tall, Sinatra was not tall . . . and on, and on, and on!!! It's simply clever camera work!

HEY -- when you see someone on the cover of a magazine - or in a centrefold -- do you think they really look like that? PLEASE!!!! It's airbrushing, et cetera! Do you know that they take 448 pictures to achieve one good one?

Oh, come on! Anyone in the fashion, or acting, or magazine business knows that! Any cover shot is the result of hours and hours and hours and hours of photography and contact sheets and re-shoots! I was a model for many years . . . I know all about this stuff.

Have any of you ever meet a real, live, photography model? They're the ugliest broads on the face of the earth -- they just photgraph well!

Similarly, all you guys post pictures of girls with whom you fall in love. Each and every one of these girls is a lovely, beautiful, and sweet girl -- whose pictures come out horribly -- because the only good photograph is A FAKE! It's the result of years and years of time and money spent on learning the skills of photography, the tricks of the camera, and the talent of developing a proper picture. Do you think you are Richard Avedon? Or David Bailey? Those marvellous fashion and cover shots do not happen in a vacuum, you know!

THE CAMERA LIES!!!

THE MOVIE CAMERA LIES!!!!

BUT THAT'S WHY WE GO TO THE MOVIES -- AND BUY MAGAZINES -- THEY ARE FANTASIES!!!!!

Magazines -- and Hollywood -- have spent the past 70 years FOOLING YOU!

Which is okay -- just enjoy it for what it is!

Case in point, one of the guys I worked with once met Halle Berry at some hotel in Atlanta and he never stopped talking about, back when she was married to that idiot ball player.

Dave Justice, was it not?

POINT BEING: Who cares how tall Craig is??? If he can convince us, and the general public, that HE is JAMES BOND, then he will have succeeded!

But then, we'll have nothing else to talk about!

[spynovelfan]

Just because he says he is means jack.

The irony of you saying this has me smiling softly to myself.

[medrecess]

I remember when i saw A Beautiful Mind i was curious to know how tall Crowe was.So i looked uo his height on IMDB and found out it to be 5"11" half,
I didnt believe it.So my sispicions have proven to be correct.He looked short more like 5"8" of 5"9"

[Dalton's Wendy]

I remember when i saw A Beautiful Mind i was curious to know how tall Crowe was.So i looked uo his height on IMDB and found out it to be 5"11" half,
I didnt believe it.So my sispicions have proven to be correct.He looked short more like 5"8" of 5"9"

Yes, in that movie (an oustanding one, I think) you can again see him standing next to Paul Bettany (there is a scene in a park where this occurs), and the difference in their respective heights appears to be greater than four inches.

I would say your guess of 5'9" is pretty accurate, medrecess.

[Pal]

Does anyone have the picture from GQ Magazine, I think, where both Brosnan and Craig are in the picture along with 2 other men? If I'm not mistaken, I remember seeing Craig considerably smaller than the 3 other men in the picture. Brosnan was standing further back and Craig was on the far left side. You can see all 4 men from the bottom of their shoes to the top of their tallest hair. And unless I'm mistaken (it happens from time to time), I remember Craig being very small compared to the 3 other men.

[Bond Bombshell]

Looking at the image of Craig,Meaney and Harris i can confidently say taht Daniel in reality is not short at all.I f you look at the 6"3" guy youll notice that there isnt a lot fo difference between him and craig.So ill say craig is around 5"11" or 6".

Medrecess, I just explained the importance of perspective, a flat surface and heel size when judging height in photos. How can you possibly "confidently" make a judgement on Craig's height from a photo where feet and ground can't be seen and the subjects are different distances from the camera? At this point I think I'll give in.

One last try. Any British fans who still have doubts about Craig's height should watch Road To Perdition on Channel 4 this coming Saturday. Compare Craig's height to Paul Newman at 5'9" and Tom Hanks at 6'1". Its a cracking film too, by the way.