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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:39 PM

Yes. I completely agree.

EXTRAS
LITTLE BRITAIN
LITTLE DORRIT
BLEAK HOUSE
QI
BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE
GAVIN AND STACEY
VIVIENNE VYLE
LIFE IN COLD BLOOD
CRANFORD
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
THE ROYLE FAMILY
EARLY DOORS
THE VISIT
IDEAL
PULLING
THE MIGHTY BOOSH
NIGHTY NIGHT
DOCTOR WHO
TORCHWOOD
MERLIN
JAM AND JERUSALEM
FANTABULOSA

The list can and does go on....


They do show some good stuff. I was mesmerised by 'Margaret' the other night showing the dramatised fall of Thatcher. I'd also add Bleak House, what other TV station in the world would stick Dickens on at 7.30pm in the evening.

As for the Sopranos - its only I, Claudius set in Nu Jersey and the BBC was doing that back in 1976.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 08:25 PM

Yes. I completely agree.

EXTRAS
LITTLE BRITAIN
LITTLE DORRIT
BLEAK HOUSE
QI
BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE
GAVIN AND STACEY
VIVIENNE VYLE
LIFE IN COLD BLOOD
CRANFORD
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
THE ROYLE FAMILY
EARLY DOORS
THE VISIT
IDEAL
PULLING
THE MIGHTY BOOSH
NIGHTY NIGHT
DOCTOR WHO
TORCHWOOD
MERLIN
JAM AND JERUSALEM
FANTABULOSA

The list can and does go on....


They do show some good stuff. I was mesmerised by 'Margaret' the other night showing the dramatised fall of Thatcher. I'd also add Bleak House, what other TV station in the world would stick Dickens on at 7.30pm in the evening.

As for the Sopranos - its only I, Claudius set in Nu Jersey and the BBC was doing that back in 1976.



That's a broad comparrison and I'm fully aware we used to make consistently brilliant TV but not for a long time have we made anything like the Wire, unless your gonna come with some BBC program that supposedly ripped off.

The content the scope and attention to detail in The Wire is something British TV has got no where near in ages.

Their's alot more to the Soprano's than an old BBC costume drama.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:35 PM

That someone can, with a straight face, put the likes of DOCTOR WHO and GAVIN AND STACEY on the same level as OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH just leaves me breathless. It's like citing Blur or the Kaiser Chiefs or Girls Aloud as being as important as The Beatles.

No one's disputing that there's some "good telly" every so often, but OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is simply in a different league to---- well, practically anything else. You're not watching acting, you're watching - by some once-in-a-lifetime process of blinding magic - real people, and you're watching them across an astonishingly vast and detailed canvas of recent British history to boot. It's completely in a class of its own, a phenomenal and never-to-be-equalled achievement. I mean, I like LITTLE BRITAIN as much as the next man, but, sheesh....

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:43 PM

You're not watching acting, you're watching - by some once-in-a-lifetime process of blinding magic - real people, and you're watching them across an astonishingly vast and detailed canvas of recent British history to boot. It's completely in a class of its own, a phenomenal and never-to-be-equalled achievement.

Steady on! I'm a little worried for your blood pressure right now.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:51 PM

Don't worry, Santa. I'm perfectly calm. Drinking a soothing glass of milk, as it happens. I'm concentrating on images of Craig as Bond to try to get rid of the lingering OUR FRIENDS brilliance, which can truly be overwhelming. Ah, that's better: Craig as 007 - bland. Dull. Calm. That's it. Back to normal now.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:49 PM

Red Riding I think will be like OFITN and raise the bar,


Hmmm. Not on the strength of that first instalment.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 09:01 AM

Red Riding I think will be like OFITN and raise the bar,


Hmmm. Not on the strength of that first instalment.


I watching it tonight so I'll report back, I think it will have to be seen as a complete body of work before a proper conclusion can bought on it.

Unless there were issues with acting, writing or pacing etc. I will let you know when I've caught it tonight, won't be till Sunday as I have Watchman to go and see tomorrow.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 04:48 PM

That someone can, with a straight face, put the likes of DOCTOR WHO and GAVIN AND STACEY on the same level as OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH just leaves me breathless. It's like citing Blur or the Kaiser Chiefs or Girls Aloud as being as important as The Beatles.


Or like saying The Office is as good as Our Friends in the North :(

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 04:58 PM

The reports I have been getting on Red Riding have been very good to mind blowing so I can't wait to see it tonight and I hope I don't agree with scrambled eggs view.

OFITN is in a category of it's own I know where your coming from Loomis when you say Craig is in another zone with this.

It shows what a gifted actor he is and no nothing much really has tested him that much and as great as CR is it's a fluff piece in comparrison to his range with Geordie Peacock, Nicky may be the lead but it's Geordie who your heart really goes out to.

Simply heartbreaking at times and Daniel is simply stunning in this as is all the cast, Peter Vaughn is utterly brilliant and Alun Armstrong as well, the cast is to die for and more people should see this!

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 05:48 PM

The reports I have been getting on Red Riding have been very good to mind blowing so I can't wait to see it tonight and I hope I don't agree with scrambled eggs view.


I didn't dislike it but I don't think it'll prove to be a landmark series like OFITN.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 02:57 AM

Well, I've finished OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH. Absolutely in floods of tears. Never have I seen anything so brilliant or so moving. The whole thing's amazing, but the emotional impact of the final two episodes is just.... wow.

Never before have I had such respect for the acting profession. In fact, I'd never really had any respect for actors. I thought they were like cattle, as the saying goes, or that, at best, they were people with a talent for pretending. A talent, sure, but not a great one in the scheme of things. Rather like doing impersonations of someone round the water cooler at work, but on a somewhat bigger scale. And, at the Hollywood end of things, getting paid millions per movie while other people had to work down coal mines. I used to dismiss actors as pampered luvvies, while giving a small amount of grudging respect to those thesps whose work I found entertaining.

But, having seen OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, I struggle to believe that there are people out there capable of digging so deep and creating such utterly credible, living, breathing human beings while lighting cameramen and dozens of other people mill about them on the set and things go wrong when the clapper loader drops something or someone fluffs a line and then the whole thing needs to be done again, take after take, and not even shooting in sequence, and factor in a story that takes place across some thirty years of meticulously recreated British history, and we're talking about a phenomenal piece of television and drama that will never be matched.

And I'd urge anyone with the slightest interest in Daniel Craig (which probably means you) to watch his work in OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, for it's just light years beyond anything he's ever done (that I know of) or will do again.

I've more than half a mind to give up watching films and TV from now on, because anything else will seem a pitiful comedown after OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 03:11 AM

Nicky may be the lead but it's Geordie who your heart really goes out to.


Totally. I literally sobbed when I saw what happens to Geordie in the last episode but one and was forever after praying that things would turn out okay for him. I know, it probably sounds as though I've gone insane, but, trust me, such was the unprecedented power of the writing and performance that I was as invested in Geordie as though he were a real person whom I loved. No other TV show or film has ever had this effect on me.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 03:24 AM

Just to say I've finally got round to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, and it's staggeringly terrific. I thought I knew what good television was - pah! I didn't even know I was born!

Craig is, as expected, superb. He seems to have very British teeth in this one, mind.

But what can I say? OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is an English WATCHMEN. It's one of the best things ever.


Another British invasion? B) You red coats keep making all the good entertainment. :tdown:

What's it about anyway? :tdown:

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:45 AM

I've more than half a mind to give up watching films and TV from now on, because anything else will seem a pitiful comedown after OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH.


I know how you feel. I felt much the same the first time I saw RENTAGHOST.

B)

Seriously though, such exuberant enthusiasm makes me keen to get hold of a dvd set and revisit OFITN.

One thing I remember about it's original run: it's timeslot (I think it was on at 9 on Monday nights. I don't know why I retain such uselss information) was taken over by a thing called THIS LIFE, also a big success, even though now it just looks like FRIENDS filmed with shakey camerawork.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:10 PM

What's it about anyway? B)


It's about four working class friends (three men and one woman) from Newcastle and their paths through life from the early 1960s to the mid 1990s. In the first episode (there are nine, each running for just over an hour), they're in their late teens or early twenties, and in the final episode they're pushing fifty. Craig was in his late twenties when filming took place, but he manages to play a much older man in the final episodes - all the actors are aged with makeup as the series progresses, but it never seems fake or distracting.

OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH follows these four people (and other characters) across the decades as they struggle to make their way in the world. Each episode is set in a particular year, and the following episode always takes place at least a couple of years later, which means that at the start of every new episode the characters are in a different place in their lives. The episodes are: 1964, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1974, 1979, 1984, 1987 and 1995.

OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH shows people changing (or not) and coming to terms (or not) with shattered dreams and the various reversals life throws our way. But it's not just a decades-spanning soap opera. Each episode is set against a particular political/social backdrop (e.g. 1984 sees the characters caught up in the war between Thatcher and the striking miners), and so the series as a whole also portrays the changes to a nation across thirty years. Nicky (Christopher Eccleston) is a committed idealist who desperately wants to better people's lives, and a major strand of the saga is how he tries to make his way in various political roles, e.g. outlaw radical with bombs and guns in the early '70s, trying to get elected as a Member of Parliament in 1979, and working as a crusading photojournalist in the '80s, all the time coming up against the corruption of those in power.

But it ain't just politics: OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH also deals with such matters as the sex trade in London and corruption in the Metropolitan Police in the '70s, Freemasonry, the breakdown of the traditional family and the problems of caring for the elderly, the rise and fall of the stock market yuppie, and so on. It's about ideals, relationships and friendships, and it's 100% true and real. It's also unbeatable entertainment, supremely gripping from start to finish. There's not a single false note or period of boredom across the 10-hour+ running time, and it's easily the best-written and best-acted thing I've ever seen.

If I had to compare it to what I've seen from across the pond, I'd say it's similar to THE WIRE (which I'm also a big fan of), in that it encompasses so many different aspects of life and society at the same time as it follows a group of people over the years, e.g. in season two of THE WIRE it takes a look at port workers and unions, and then moves onto a different segment of society in the third season, and so on. I'd also compare it to WATCHMEN in that it's such a huge, ambitious and moving piece of work that makes you invest emotionally in so many characters and raises so many different thought-provoking issues.

If you decide to check out OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, Tarl, it's my guess that you'll find a lot of the dialogue hard to follow (many characters speak exclusively in Newcastle-ese English). It's like when I watch THE WIRE - quite a lot of the time I can't understand exactly what people are saying. I mean, I get the gist, of course, but I find I have to tune my ear in. However, when I watch THE WIRE I'm so absorbed by the power of the show's world and performances and dramatic tension that it doesn't really matter that I find some of the dialogue tough to understand, and I hope that you'd have the same reaction if you sat down to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH.

Over here in Britain, OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is commonly considered the best thing ever done by the BBC. It's our SOPRANOS or WIRE.

BTW, Craig's character, Geordie, is in some ways a working class version of Bond. He's a tough guy and ladies' man, not too bright but with a good heart underneath the rough exterior and very loyal to his friends and employers and what he believes to be right. Imagine the Bond of CASINO ROYALE if he hadn't gone to what Vesper refers to as that expensive school and had instead had to live by his wits and fists in a very hard world that deals him some extremely cruel blows, and you've more or less got Geordie.

For me, Geordie is the soul and spirit of OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH. The show's "message", I think, is that life is very tough and probably won't go according to plan, but that integrity ultimately counts more than ideals, and love for one's friends is the most important thing. Which probably sounds cheesy, but, trust me, there's no cheap sentimentality in this series, just real and riveting drama with the emotional power of a nuke.

I guess the greatest tribute I can pay to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is that I almost never felt I was watching acting. I felt I was watching real people. And I came to care about them as though they were my own friends.

One thing I remember about it's original run: it's timeslot (I think it was on at 9 on Monday nights. I don't know why I retain such uselss information) was taken over by a thing called THIS LIFE, also a big success, even though now it just looks like FRIENDS filmed with shakey camerawork.


Ah, I loved THIS LIFE. Wonder whether it's on DVD? I didn't bother to see the reunion special of a coupla years ago, which sounded a bit unnecessary and shark-jumping, but I loved the original series. Now, it's not OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH - nothing is, but it's still very good indeed.

Did you ever see ATTACHMENTS? By the same team as THIS LIFE, I believe. It's also pretty decent.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:31 PM

I remember ATTACHMENTS. It was good.

I was never a fan of THIS LIFE. It felt too smug and knowing - a bit like the world it was wanting to depict. Though - in hindsight - it did get that London hedonism spot on.

This is a good thread folks....

Other dramas that I would recommend trying to find...

THE LONG FIRM (or better still read the Harry Stark 'trilogy' by Jake Arnott - even Roger Moore the real man features in this one).
FRIENDS AND CROCODILES
CAPTURING MARY
PERFECT STRANGERS (this is one of the best series I have ever seen...Poliakoff weaves such humane and human stories from little sparks that appear dull and distant with superb, elegiac style).

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:32 PM

What's it about anyway? B)


It's about four working class friends (three men and one woman) from Newcastle and their paths through life from the early 1960s to the mid 1990s. In the first episode (there are nine, each running for just over an hour), they're in their late teens or early twenties, and in the final episode they're pushing fifty. Craig was in his late twenties when filming took place, but he manages to play a much older man in the final episodes - all the actors are aged with makeup as the series progresses, but it never seems fake or distracting.

OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH follows these four people (and other characters) across the decades as they struggle to make their way in the world. Each episode is set in a particular year, and the following episode always takes place at least a couple of years later, which means that at the start of every new episode the characters are in a different place in their lives. The episodes are: 1964, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1974, 1979, 1984, 1987 and 1995.

OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH shows people changing (or not) and coming to terms (or not) with shattered dreams and the various reversals life throws our way. But it's not just a decades-spanning soap opera. Each episode is set against a particular political/social backdrop (e.g. 1984 sees the characters caught up in the war between Thatcher and the striking miners), and so the series as a whole also portrays the changes to a nation across thirty years. Nicky (Christopher Eccleston) is a committed idealist who desperately wants to better people's lives, and a major strand of the saga is how he tries to make his way in various political roles, e.g. outlaw radical with bombs and guns in the early '70s, trying to get elected as a Member of Parliament in 1979, and working as a crusading photojournalist in the '80s, all the time coming up against the corruption of those in power.

But it ain't just politics: OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH also deals with such matters as the sex trade in London and corruption in the Metropolitan Police in the '70s, Freemasonry, the breakdown of the traditional family and the problems of caring for the elderly, the rise and fall of the stock market yuppie, and so on. It's about ideals, relationships and friendships, and it's 100% true and real. It's also unbeatable entertainment, supremely gripping from start to finish. There's not a single false note or period of boredom across the 10-hour+ running time, and it's easily the best-written and best-acted thing I've ever seen.

If I had to compare it to what I've seen from across the pond, I'd say it's similar to THE WIRE (which I'm also a big fan of), in that it encompasses so many different aspects of life and society at the same time as it follows a group of people over the years, e.g. in season two of THE WIRE it takes a look at port workers and unions, and then moves onto a different segment of society in the third season, and so on. I'd also compare it to WATCHMEN in that it's such a huge, ambitious and moving piece of work that makes you invest emotionally in so many characters and raises so many different thought-provoking issues.

If you decide to check out OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, Tarl, it's my guess that you'll find a lot of the dialogue hard to follow (many characters speak exclusively in Newcastle-ese English). It's like when I watch THE WIRE - quite a lot of the time I can't understand exactly what people are saying. I mean, I get the gist, of course, but I find I have to tune my ear in. However, when I watch THE WIRE I'm so absorbed by the power of the show's world and performances and dramatic tension that it doesn't really matter that I find some of the dialogue tough to understand, and I hope that you'd have the same reaction if you sat down to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH.

Over here in Britain, OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is commonly considered the best thing ever done by the BBC. It's our SOPRANOS or WIRE.

BTW, Craig's character, Geordie, is in some ways a working class version of Bond. He's a tough guy and ladies' man, not too bright but with a good heart underneath the rough exterior and very loyal to his friends and employers and what he believes to be right. Imagine the Bond of CASINO ROYALE if he hadn't gone to what Vesper refers to as that expensive school and had instead had to live by his wits and fists in a very hard world that deals him some extremely cruel blows, and you've more or less got Geordie.

For me, Geordie is the soul and spirit of OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH. The show's "message", I think, is that life is very tough and probably won't go according to plan, but that integrity ultimately counts more than ideals, and love for one's friends is the most important thing. Which probably sounds cheesy, but, trust me, there's no cheap sentimentality in this series, just real and riveting drama with the emotional power of a nuke.

I guess the greatest tribute I can pay to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is that I almost never felt I was watching acting. I felt I was watching real people. And I came to care about them as though they were my own friends.

One thing I remember about it's original run: it's timeslot (I think it was on at 9 on Monday nights. I don't know why I retain such uselss information) was taken over by a thing called THIS LIFE, also a big success, even though now it just looks like FRIENDS filmed with shakey camerawork.


Ah, I loved THIS LIFE. Wonder whether it's on DVD? I didn't bother to see the reunion special of a coupla years ago, which sounded a bit unnecessary and shark-jumping, but I loved the original series. Now, it's not OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH - nothing is, but it's still very good indeed.

Did you ever see ATTACHMENTS? By the same team as THIS LIFE, I believe. It's also pretty decent.


You do take an emotional journey with the characters, the moment when Nicky finds Geordie homeless and clearly mentally disturbed is one of the most heart wrenchingly deep scenes I've ever seen on British TV as well as the father of the kid who beats him up near the end of the last ep.

Good call on The Wire, yes I definitely see the similarities!

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:52 PM

I know how you feel. I felt much the same the first time I saw RENTAGHOST.

Now that show was class. B)

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:54 PM

I know how you feel. I felt much the same the first time I saw RENTAGHOST.

Now that show was class. B)

Well if your mansion house does need haunting....

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 02:43 PM

THE LONG FIRM


Read the book a few years ago. Quite tempted to see the TV version, especially as it stars Mark Strong (OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH's Tosker, probably my favourite character next to Geordie).

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 04:38 PM

Saddly Our Friends in the North is out of print and rather hard to find in the UK.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:34 PM

I enjoyed THIS LIFE at the time. Mostly because I was about 17 and naive/daft enough to lap it up - I think it appealed to people who aspired to live that kind of urbane lifestyle.
When it was reshown a year or so ago I was amazed at how thin it seemed.

For great Brit tv drama, I think BOYS FROM THE BLACKSTUFF has to be up there, and I'll recommend that to anyone who loves OFITN.

My personal favourites are the Le Carre adaptations from the 70s with Alec Guinness: TINKER TAILOR SOLDIER SPY and SMILEY'S PEOPLE. I think they've a similarity to THE WIRE in their pacing and bolshie refusal to simplify things for the casual viewer.

EDGE OF DARKNESS is good too. I've not seen a lot of the classics, like I CLAUDIUS for example, but I've never been disappointed whenever I've invested in a boxset of Beeb classics.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:52 PM

Saddly Our Friends in the North is out of print and rather hard to find in the UK.


That's a very great pity. I rented the discs, so was unaware it's no longer available.

I hope they'll bring it out on Blu-ray one day, but I don't see it happening.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:34 PM

Its all on You Tube, in snippets, of course..

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:11 PM

What's it about anyway? :tdown:


It's about four working class friends (three men and one woman) from Newcastle and their paths through life from the early 1960s to the mid 1990s. In the first episode (there are nine, each running for just over an hour), they're in their late teens or early twenties, and in the final episode they're pushing fifty. Craig was in his late twenties when filming took place, but he manages to play a much older man in the final episodes - all the actors are aged with makeup as the series progresses, but it never seems fake or distracting.

OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH follows these four people (and other characters) across the decades as they struggle to make their way in the world. Each episode is set in a particular year, and the following episode always takes place at least a couple of years later, which means that at the start of every new episode the characters are in a different place in their lives. The episodes are: 1964, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1974, 1979, 1984, 1987 and 1995.

OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH shows people changing (or not) and coming to terms (or not) with shattered dreams and the various reversals life throws our way. But it's not just a decades-spanning soap opera. Each episode is set against a particular political/social backdrop (e.g. 1984 sees the characters caught up in the war between Thatcher and the striking miners), and so the series as a whole also portrays the changes to a nation across thirty years. Nicky (Christopher Eccleston) is a committed idealist who desperately wants to better people's lives, and a major strand of the saga is how he tries to make his way in various political roles, e.g. outlaw radical with bombs and guns in the early '70s, trying to get elected as a Member of Parliament in 1979, and working as a crusading photojournalist in the '80s, all the time coming up against the corruption of those in power.

But it ain't just politics: OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH also deals with such matters as the sex trade in London and corruption in the Metropolitan Police in the '70s, Freemasonry, the breakdown of the traditional family and the problems of caring for the elderly, the rise and fall of the stock market yuppie, and so on. It's about ideals, relationships and friendships, and it's 100% true and real. It's also unbeatable entertainment, supremely gripping from start to finish. There's not a single false note or period of boredom across the 10-hour+ running time, and it's easily the best-written and best-acted thing I've ever seen.

If I had to compare it to what I've seen from across the pond, I'd say it's similar to THE WIRE (which I'm also a big fan of), in that it encompasses so many different aspects of life and society at the same time as it follows a group of people over the years, e.g. in season two of THE WIRE it takes a look at port workers and unions, and then moves onto a different segment of society in the third season, and so on. I'd also compare it to WATCHMEN in that it's such a huge, ambitious and moving piece of work that makes you invest emotionally in so many characters and raises so many different thought-provoking issues.

If you decide to check out OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, Tarl, it's my guess that you'll find a lot of the dialogue hard to follow (many characters speak exclusively in Newcastle-ese English). It's like when I watch THE WIRE - quite a lot of the time I can't understand exactly what people are saying. I mean, I get the gist, of course, but I find I have to tune my ear in. However, when I watch THE WIRE I'm so absorbed by the power of the show's world and performances and dramatic tension that it doesn't really matter that I find some of the dialogue tough to understand, and I hope that you'd have the same reaction if you sat down to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH.

Over here in Britain, OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is commonly considered the best thing ever done by the BBC. It's our SOPRANOS or WIRE.

BTW, Craig's character, Geordie, is in some ways a working class version of Bond. He's a tough guy and ladies' man, not too bright but with a good heart underneath the rough exterior and very loyal to his friends and employers and what he believes to be right. Imagine the Bond of CASINO ROYALE if he hadn't gone to what Vesper refers to as that expensive school and had instead had to live by his wits and fists in a very hard world that deals him some extremely cruel blows, and you've more or less got Geordie.

For me, Geordie is the soul and spirit of OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH. The show's "message", I think, is that life is very tough and probably won't go according to plan, but that integrity ultimately counts more than ideals, and love for one's friends is the most important thing. Which probably sounds cheesy, but, trust me, there's no cheap sentimentality in this series, just real and riveting drama with the emotional power of a nuke.

I guess the greatest tribute I can pay to OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is that I almost never felt I was watching acting. I felt I was watching real people. And I came to care about them as though they were my own friends.

One thing I remember about it's original run: it's timeslot (I think it was on at 9 on Monday nights. I don't know why I retain such uselss information) was taken over by a thing called THIS LIFE, also a big success, even though now it just looks like FRIENDS filmed with shakey camerawork.


Ah, I loved THIS LIFE. Wonder whether it's on DVD? I didn't bother to see the reunion special of a coupla years ago, which sounded a bit unnecessary and shark-jumping, but I loved the original series. Now, it's not OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH - nothing is, but it's still very good indeed.

Did you ever see ATTACHMENTS? By the same team as THIS LIFE, I believe. It's also pretty decent.


You do take an emotional journey with the characters, the moment when Nicky finds Geordie homeless and clearly mentally disturbed is one of the most heart wrenchingly deep scenes I've ever seen on British TV as well as the father of the kid who beats him up near the end of the last ep.

Good call on The Wire, yes I definitely see the similarities!


Wow that sounds pretty intense-thanks for the big effort to explain it. I may have to get that dvd(s). I bet they're a small ranson but worth it. A smashing gift too.Is it R-rated-ish? AS for the dialogue, I read and understand red coat and speak it ok.I did afterall grow up with Benny Hill. B)

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:33 PM

THE LONG FIRM


Read the book a few years ago. Quite tempted to see the TV version, especially as it stars Mark Strong (OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH's Tosker, probably my favourite character next to Geordie).

And Mark Strong should be a Bond villain. Seriously.

Do give THE LONG FIRM a go. It gets that underbelly of swinging London and beyond, it's four perfectly formed chapters and features a title tune that could sit very easily in Bond film....

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:04 PM

Is it R-rated-ish?


Very much so. Lotsa nudity, sex, violence and drugs. It's probably harder R than anything that's ever been made for American television, including THE SOPRANOS and THE WIRE.

AS for the dialogue, I read and understand red coat and speak it ok.I did afterall grow up with Benny Hill. :tdown:


I know I might have sounded patronising back there, but even this natural born limey had a lot of trouble with the Newcastle slang. :tdown: And I'm from near Newcastle! B) For such a small country, we have an absolutely ridiculous wealth of regional accents, dialect and slang.

As Germanlady says, the whole thing's on YouTube (!).

And, Zorin, I read an interview with Strong in which he said he wanted to be a Bond villain in the Craig era. The two are great pals, apparently. I certainly wouldn't complain. :)

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Posted 15 March 2009 - 12:04 AM

Here's a fan trailer for OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH done in the style of the CASINO ROYALE trailer. It's rather good.



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Posted 15 March 2009 - 01:11 AM

Here's a fan trailer for OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH done in the style of the CASINO ROYALE trailer. It's rather good.


Nice trailer! (and heck, how I love this choral Bond theme!)
Loomis, you've convinced me, big time. I can't wait for my copy of OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH!

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Posted 15 March 2009 - 11:29 AM

Glad to hear it. Even if you don't end up agreeing with me that OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH is the best thing ever made, if you're a Craig fan you definitely won't regret checking it out. B)