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[Stratus]

Brosnan was in ok shape but I wouldn't say he was that built. I think his age and body is one of the reasons why there werne't many great fist fights. Craig is proportionally (for his body type) more built AND cut (meaning low body fat) than Brosnan. Just watch Layer Cake. I am holding out hope that Craig can do better fight sequences than Brosnan, unfortunately I haven't seen any film of him doing significant fight sequences.

Remember the hoopola of people wanting Bale for Batman? It wasn't only his acting/looks the guy did most of his own stunts in this film called "Equilibrium" without any wireworks. If you watched that film you could see why so many Batman fans were clamouring for him in those net polls.

Physical intensity can bring a lot of added presence to a role. Certainly I won't ignore the fact acting is important, but trying to expand on something that wasn't really played up much in the previous set of films will do a lot.

[marktmurphy]

Er... he's huge. He's practically a bodybuilder- if he got any bigger he'd look ridiculous.

He's got some muscles, and is evidently no stranger to weights, but I don't think I'd describe him as "huge". He's not Connery.

You misunderstand- Connery was naturally big but never that large muscularly; even in his Mr Universe days. Craig is as big as he can get without looking totally ridiculous (and I think his current level of fitness is slightly unrealistic)- that's not to say his body shape is small but just not as large build (e.g natural shoulder width) as Connery or Moore. If he got any bigger he wouldn't fit through doors.



You really think that's 'wiry'? Compare with the suck-in-the-gut scene on the hospital ship scene in DAD and tell me he could take a leaf out of Brosnan's book.

[Loomis]

I see your point. Perhaps he'll do as he is.

[deth]

I wonder what Craig will look like in 7-10 years....

[Loomis]

*Posted by mistake, please ignore*

[marktmurphy]

I wonder what Craig will look like in 7-10 years....

7-10 years older?

[Qwerty]

I'd say he seems fine for the role as he is.

[rdh007]

Craig's build and voice are pretty good. I'll give him those.

[Stratus]

Er... he's huge. He's practically a bodybuilder- if he got any bigger he'd look ridiculous.

He's got some muscles, and is evidently no stranger to weights, but I don't think I'd describe him as "huge". He's not Connery.

You misunderstand- Connery was naturally big but never that large muscularly; even in his Mr Universe days. Craig is as big as he can get without looking totally ridiculous (and I think his current level of fitness is slightly unrealistic)- that's not to say his body shape is small but just not as large build (e.g natural shoulder width) as Connery or Moore. If he got any bigger he wouldn't fit through doors.


You really think that's 'wiry'? Compare with the suck-in-the-gut scene on the hospital ship scene in DAD and tell me he could take a leaf out of Brosnan's book.

To make it more simple.

Connery was a mesomorph, his natural "frame" was large. Even if he didn't workout for a month or two he look pretty decent when he was in his prime. Same with Lazenby.

A ectomorph is someone with a slight frame, they are skinnier/smaller by nature. Ectomorphs gain mass a lot slowly and they have to overload with high weight numbers with a lower rep count (4-6), whereas mesomorphs can do overload with moderate weight numbers with higher counts (10-12) and develop a bulkier look in shorter period of time. Judging Brosnan and Craig, the both of them are a variant of mesomorph/ectomorph. I think Brosnan could potentially look buffer than Craig but he chose not to buff up. At his age it probably would take a lot longer as well

A full blown ectomorph would look like this:


Ironic that he is playing "Venom" in the next Spider-Man film, no?

Edited by Stratus, 16 October 2005 - 03:46 PM.

[SHAPE]

By big enough, do we mean 'heavy' or muscular?

Heavy. That Connery-throwing-sofas-around thing. I don't care how sharply-defined Craig's muscles may be - he looks (even in LAYER CAKE) as though any of the former Bonds with the exception of Moore (obviously) would be able to have him in a fight. He looks as though Clive Owen could take him down with one hand tied behind his back. They need to do for Craig whatever it was they did for Matt Damon in THE BOURNE SUPREMACY.

I agree that Craig is not as large/big-framed, mesoporph, etc. as Connery or Lazenby.

However, he is in great condition. Ultimately, it will matter more how he carries himself on screen -- if he can 'move,' perform fight scenes with a certain level of physicality and tenacity, then I don't think he'll have any problems. I suspect the way he carries himself will define his physical presence on screen more than his lack of shoulder width.

Like a number of posters have mentioned, Brosnan had a larger frame, but wasn't as impressive.

[mrs007_ppk]

I don't want to be negative but, to each his own

Okay. He's muscular, but these pictures show me he doesn't need to get any bigger.He's just a small guy. He looks weak compared to the other guys. I don't care if he is more fit than Pierce or any other Bond with all his muscles and cuts he's still small and scrawny. Just my honest opinion.





OO7 is Forever

[Goodnight]

Do you even lift?

[Iceskater101]

Wow major bump of a thread! and I think Daniel Craig is fine as he is, James Bond was never supposed to be muscular.

[jaguar007]

Holy Blast from the past. Everyone saying how small Craig looked and un physically imposing. When CR came out he was certainly one of the most physically imposing of all the Bond actors

[SecretAgentFan]

Maybe the thread should be changed to "Should Craig stop doing weightlifting"?

[Turn]

I think one the great future topics for a Bond book will be a look at Craig and his era. From beginnings like this, in which the fan base really got its voice out there, right or wrong, to whereever it ends up will make for a great read.

 

But I'm guessing this will be way into the future.

[Dustin]

Write it. In 15-20 years it will provide a splendid look upon this era.

[Odd Jobbies]

Don't be daft, he's in great shape. Bond shouldn't be Schwarzenegger-esque!

 

He's highly trained, not highly pumped...

[The Shark]

He looked closer to Connery (in terms of being physically imposing) in CASINO ROYALE than in QUANTUM or SKYFALL.

[Germanlady]

I will never get the hype about Connerys physique. I don't think, he had half the muscle DC had even in SF. He was just build broader and hence looked imposing. But if you look at the pic in the blue trunks etc, there isn't a lot of muscle mass or definition.

 

Compare for yourself

 

Connerys in is prime:

 

Daniel in CR:

 

Daniel in QOS

 

Daniel in SF

[Jim]

Strange thread anyway; most strange for it to reappear.

 

If anything, he could probably get away with doing less and relax a bit.

[Odd Jobbies]

Strange thread anyway; most strange for it to reappear.

 

If anything, he could probably get away with doing less and relax a bit.

 

I agree, bond lives on his wits, not his biceps. That's not to say there's anything wrong with Craig's performances - quite the contrary.

[Germanlady]

I think, its just that strange obsession with Connery being THAT well build. Well, he was not. Maybe in his days...but I remember guys like Charlton Heston being WAY more physically impressive.

[S K Y F A L L]

Imagine had Connery been in as good as shape as he was when he was Mr. Universe. Although I think Craig has Connery bet in CR. Craig looks less like he did in CR and more like Connery as Mr. Universe in QOS and SF. Strange how QOS starts off right after CR however Craig seems to have lost 25 lbs. I suppose Connery also didn't have the advantage of having a world class trainer.

 

 

 

On a side note. I wonder if Brosnan was able to buff up if it would have helped his chance for a comeback....

[DominicGreene]

I wonder what Craig will look like in 7-10 years....

 

In 5 years:

 

 

In 20 years:

 

[Emrayfo]

Lol that was entertaining - my first time reading this thread. Amazing after all these years to see the concern over Craig's physicality before CR came out. Although, while it proved to be a non-issue - in fact the opposite - if you look back at some of his interviews of that era he was a lot smaller then and so the concern was perhaps not completely unfounded at the time. Still, quite amusing.

 

I bet a lot of our current d&m debates will end up looking just as off-track in a few years time as well...