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[YOLT]

The Man With The Golden Gun may not be the best Bond film, or I think so. But is a very colorful film and the locations are used in a perfect manner. Its a Bond film that the story is sometimes weak but its no problem because the use of locations and the sunny bright view handles it. Its really a feast to the eyes. I love travelling in Bond movies and TMWTGG is great in travelling and letting you to discover S.East Asia.
Roger Moore is also very good, better than his performance in LALD I think. Also having just Scaramanga and Nik-Nak as the main enemy and having different enemies like the club-men in Beiurut and the karate school fight adds many positive points to the film.
While the first half is great the second half is a let down in many ways.

[Gri007]

I agree with TMWTGG being a brighful film to watch. It is also the 'light harted' one of the franchise. it isn't to dark. the story lines a bit weak and the sound of the car going over the bridge is obviously humorouse and with the likes of J W Pepper makes the film a very funny one.

[voituer]

Does anyone know Roger Moores shoe size?

Odd question but important to me

thanks
Nick

[Taro Todoroki]

TMWTGG is a great film. I enjoy it more and more, pardon the pun.

[Gri007]

Does anyone know Roger Moores shoe size?

Odd question but important to me

thanks
Nick

Unfortunately not. But i must say your website is fantastic. I've known about it since janauary whilts i saw it mentioned in issue 45 of the 007 magazine. I'm surprised there isn't any Silverfin memrobillia on there. You might be interested in the topic i had started in the collecting forum. the thread is titled 'How much Bond memrobillia have you got'. i even recommened your site as well. happy Bonding my friend.

[Bondian]

Hi voituer.

I've read somewhere that Roger's shoe size is 10 (uk).

Of course, our adorable Lady Templar would know for sure.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,


Ian

Does anyone know Roger Moores shoe size?

Odd question but important to me

thanks
Nick

[Qwerty]

One of my lesser faves.

[Turn]

Where is Loomis, CBn's resident no. 1 TMWTGG fan on this thread?

I am also a fan of the film and of its locations and look. Too many people take TMWTGG for its "reputation" as one of the worst when I think it has a lot to offer if people just gave it a chance and quit worrying about the slide whistle during the car jump and Sheriff Pepper's return. I find it more fun to watch than its overblown follow-up.

[Qwerty]

I think The Man With The Golden Gun and A View To A Kill have the most difficult job of trying to lose their reputations. Personally, I think Moonraker is looked on in a little bit better light now.

[Turn]

I think The Man With The Golden Gun and A View To A Kill have the most difficult job of trying to lose their reputations. Personally, I think Moonraker is looked on in a little bit better light now.

True, but I think it kind of depends on the fan circles also. I have been amazed at the support something like AVTAK has on this sight, MR too. You'd have thought they were the fan equivelant of Star Wars: Episode I. It seems TMWTGG has a considerably smaller "cult" status among serious Bond fans, though. That's okay, though, it kind of makes being part of a more exclusive type of club.

But look at OHMSS, shunned as the redheaded stepchild Bond film 25-30 years ago, but today it has earned a well deserved place among many Bond fans' favorites even if the general public is still a little reluctant to embrace it, although many seem to be coming around.

[Qwerty]

It seems TMWTGG has a considerably smaller "cult" status among serious Bond fans, though.

A very good point Turn, especially on this site.

[voituer]

[quote name='Gri007' date='11 June 2005 - 20:38']
[quote name='voituer' date='11 June 2005 - 19:38']Does anyone know Roger Moores shoe size?



Unfortunately not. But i must say your website is fantastic. I've known about it since janauary whilts i saw it mentioned in issue 45 of the 007 magazine. I'm surprised there isn't any Silverfin memrobillia on there. You might be interested in the topic i had started in the collecting forum. the thread is titled 'How much Bond memrobillia have you got'. i even recommened your site as well. happy Bonding my friend.

[/quote]

Thank you for yor plug and I shall take a look at the thread. I have a pair of shoes attributed to Sir Roger Moore, used in TMWTGG. They do match the film but they are a size 9.

Nick

[Double-Oh-Zero]

Certainly is one of the loudest Bond films, given Roger's plaid "jacket" at the end of the film.

Well, my ears were bleeding, anyway.

[Loomis]

Where is Loomis, CBn's resident no. 1 TMWTGG fan on this thread?

Well, of course I agree with most of YOLT's points. Not sure that I view the second half as "a let down in many ways", though - I think the film is superb pretty much all the way through, although, as you point out, Turn, I am a massive MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN fan, so I guess I would say that, wouldn't I?

I find it more fun to watch than its overblown follow-up.

Wow! Bond fan heresy there! Obviously, I'm with you on that.

On the subject of Bond flicks "shunned as the redheaded stepchild" (ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN, MOONRAKER, A VIEW TO A KILL....), I find YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE bizarrely underrated by fans and critics alike. And outside 007 fandom, LICENCE TO KILL seems to have been totally forgotten.

[YOLT]

Where is Loomis, CBn's resident no. 1 TMWTGG fan on this thread?

Well, of course I agree with most of YOLT's points. Not sure that I view the second half as "a let down in many ways", though - I think the film is superb pretty much all the way through, although, as you point out, Turn, I am a massive MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN fan, so I guess I would say that, wouldn't I?

I find it more fun to watch than its overblown follow-up.

Wow! Bond fan heresy there! Obviously, I'm with you on that.

On the subject of Bond flicks "shunned as the redheaded stepchild" (ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN, MOONRAKER, A VIEW TO A KILL....), I find YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE bizarrely underrated by fans and critics alike. And outside 007 fandom, LICENCE TO KILL seems to have been totally forgotten.

I agree that YOLT is very underrated. However LTK is just a perosnla uttertrash IMO. Its so boringg. Like GE.

[Turn]

I agree that YOLT is very underrated. However LTK is just a perosnla uttertrash IMO. Its so boringg. Like GE.

So, in other words, you're saying you like your Bond films to be total spectacles where things can happen for no real reason and it's okay as long as everything looks cool or goes bang real loud?

I guess that's not a bad thing, per say if that's what you like. But a personal story every now and then is not a bad thing, and LTK and GE were actually kind of fresh at the time they were released as far as that theme. By the time you got to TWINE and DAD, well, that's where it all went stale.

[hrabb04]

YOLT graduated from Michael Bay High School.

[YOLT]

I agree that YOLT is very underrated. However LTK is just a perosnla uttertrash IMO. Its so boringg. Like GE.

So, in other words, you're saying you like your Bond films to be total spectacles where things can happen for no real reason and it's okay as long as everything looks cool or goes bang real loud?

I guess that's not a bad thing, per say if that's what you like. But a personal story every now and then is not a bad thing, and LTK and GE were actually kind of fresh at the time they were released as far as that theme. By the time you got to TWINE and DAD, well, that's where it all went stale.

Well, I am not saying that I dont want to have any personal films. But the 2 greats Connery and Moore hadnt. Bond is a paper thin chracter and for the last 5 movies we are watching just personal films.
Of course I am going with TWINE and DAD too. TND is the only one that I really like. Making the whole movie personal doesnt work for me. Also I am a bit sad that Casino Royale will be again personal. Someone have stop Miss. OR Mrs. Brocolli.

[YOLT]

YOLT graduated from Michael Bay High School.

Sorry who is Michael Bay I really dont know?

[hrabb04]

Have one of the forum professors explain it to you.

[DLibrasnow]

True, but I think it kind of depends on the fan circles also. I have been amazed at the support something like AVTAK has on this sight

Yes there are those of us out here who love AVTAK. I personally rank it in my top 5 of all-time 007 pictures.

[licensetostudy]

The strength with TMWTGG is that it feels original and different than any other picture. No film copies it, and it copies no other Bond movie. It is unique despite the usual villain lair in some far away exotic place. Too many Bond movies rip-off others like LALD copying Dr. No or TSWLM copying YOLT. Golden Gun is not the greatest Bond movie, but it feels fresh even after 30 years.

[tdalton]

Well, I am not saying that I dont want to have any personal films. But the 2 greats Connery and Moore hadnt. Bond is a paper thin chracter and for the last 5 movies we are watching just personal films.
Of course I am going with TWINE and DAD too. TND is the only one that I really like. Making the whole movie personal doesnt work for me. Also I am a bit sad that Casino Royale will be again personal. Someone have stop Miss. OR Mrs.  Brocolli.

I don't see what's wrong with the personal films, myself. Actually, for me, a few of them rank in my top 10 (TLD, OHMSS, LTK, TWINE). James Bond is a person, not a machine or something like that, and I would imagine that things do bother him, so it's nice not to see him as the infallible character that Roger Moore and Sean Connery tried to portray him as.

Also, if they took out the personal element of Casino Royale then it wouldn't be CR at all. I guess each person has their own opinions on the matter, but I love the more personal Bond movies. But to each his own.

I'll venture back to the topic of this thread, and just say that I'm not a very big fan of TMWTGG at all.

[Qwerty]

[quote name='voituer' date='12 June 2005 - 11:56']
[quote name='Gri007' date='11 June 2005 - 20:38']
[quote name='voituer' date='11 June 2005 - 19:38']Does anyone know Roger Moores shoe size?



Unfortunately not. But i must say your website is fantastic. I've known about it since janauary whilts i saw it mentioned in issue 45 of the 007 magazine. I'm surprised there isn't any Silverfin memrobillia on there. You might be interested in the topic i had started in the collecting forum. the thread is titled 'How much Bond memrobillia have you got'. i even recommened your site as well. happy Bonding my friend.

[/quote]

Thank you for yor plug and I shall take a look at the thread. I have a pair of shoes attributed to Sir Roger Moore, used in TMWTGG. They do match the film but they are a size 9.

Nick

[/quote]

What about Harry's elephant shoes?

[licensetostudy]

[quote name='tdalton' date='18 June 2005 - 06:18']
[quote name='YOLT' date='15 June 2005 - 11:55']
I don't see what's wrong with the personal films, myself. Actually, for me, a few of them rank in my top 10 (TLD, OHMSS, LTK, TWINE). James Bond is a person, not a machine or something like that, and I would imagine that things do bother him, so it's nice not to see him as the infallible character that Roger Moore and Sean Connery tried to portray him as.

[/quote]

It is interesting how these personal ones you mention, with the exception of the successful TWINE, did badly at the boxoffice. The general public just prefers the lighter, more cheesier Bond movies that are the most entertaining. Namely from Connery and Moore.

Edited by licensetostudy, 18 June 2005 - 09:35 PM.

[Bondian]

I agree with you licensetostudy,but I feel with this one, the Producers tried to harden Roger's Bond up by making him slap women around in a kind of Conneryesque vein.

I love The Man With The Golden Gun, but I feel Live And Let Die to be more Flemingian and original because of it's sheer danger aspects.

My belief, if the harder the Bond film, the more humour is injected to keep some humane aspect to it. And this another aspect that made Roger's Bond so popular. Sheer escapism, humour, intelligent wit, daring stunts and an actor who looked and sounded confident, just like James Bond should be.

Cheers,


Ian

The strength with TMWTGG is that it feels original and different than any other picture. No film copies it, and it copies no other Bond movie. It is unique despite the usual villain lair in some far away exotic place. Too many Bond movies rip-off others like LALD copying Dr. No or TSWLM copying YOLT. Golden Gun is not the greatest Bond movie, but it feels fresh even after 30 years.

[licensetostudy]

I agree with you licensetostudy,but I feel with this one, the Producers tried to harden Roger's Bond up by making him slap women around in a kind of Conneryesque vein. I love The Man With The Golden Gun, but I feel Live And Let Die to be more Flemingian and original because of it's sheer danger aspects.

I read a review of TMWTGG written between December 1974 and January 1975 in a magazine I found in my university library, it was either Time or Newsweek. The critic was very offended by how Moore portrayed Bond. The argument was that Moore's Bond came off as a jerk when he beat women(remember feminism was getting big by this time), probably because Moore lacked Connery's coolness. The critic was quite offended when Moore slapped Andrea around and threatened to brake her arm. When I said LALD coppied from Dr No, I was refering to the chase after he got off the plane,the snake replacing the tarantula, and the investigation of murders taking Bond to the Carrabean; but don't get me wrong Bondian, LALD holds the most special place in my heart and is probably my favorite. Even though I am a Connery supporter, I hold respect for Moore fans which is because I thought Moore was great and I am tired of these self-proclaimed Fleming purist Dalton fans.

[bryonalston]

The strength with TMWTGG is that it feels original and different than any other picture. No film copies it, and it copies no other Bond movie. It is unique despite the usual villain lair in some far away exotic place. Too many Bond movies rip-off others like LALD copying Dr. No or TSWLM copying YOLT. Golden Gun is not the greatest Bond movie, but it feels fresh even after 30 years.

I don't understand how you can say that. Yes, certain films do get a little repetitive of past ideas, but most of the time, they don't necessarily rip-off other movies, but just build upon them. I found TSWLM to be a far superior film to YOLT, (and YOLT was great,) because TSWLM took a great concept and made it better. I personally think that TMWTGG is tarnished gold, meaning that it's not complete trash, but it's getting there. I've tried very hard to like this movie, along with DAD, but I just can't bring myself down to its level. (I also think that GF is EXTREMELY overrated, but I don't compare it to TMWTGG.) And just for the record, I think that TMWTGG ripped-off LALD on many levels. There are just too many similarities between the two films, (and this isn't a case where TMWTGG built off of LALD, making it better.) From taking third-world locations and portraying them as exotic to the return of J.W. Pepper. From the fact that you DON'T see Bond in the PTS (rips off LALD & FRWL) to the idiotic boat chase (Was it supposed to top the extra-ordinary one in LALD? I certainly hope not!) Hell, even the ad campaign was nearly identical to the one in LALD. The only difference was that LALD's was original and interesting. TMWTGG's was basically a copy and paste campaign.

I couldn't disagree with you more when you said that TMWTGG is the most original Bond film. Movies like OHMSS, LALD, OP, TLD, LTK and (TWINE???) hold that title. OHMSS has Bond pursue an actual relationship, fall in love, only to have his wife murdered, WHILE having a credible plot run alongside the romance. This=original Bond film. LALD is the most original Bond film to date. Unlike TMWTGG, it adapted to its time more successfully that any other Bond flick. LALD was a 'blaxploitation' film, with a mostly Black cast (even though they're villains, they are more sophisticated and talented than some group of hoodlums,) the locations included a third world country, a deep country bayou, and a Harlem ghetto. Despite this, it fits in with the tone of the movie perfectly. HOWEVER, the most original thing is the supernatural undertones of the movie. Solitaire was an original Bond girl, far more original than intriguing than that bikini-clad bimbo Mary Goodnight. Baron Samedi is very interesting, as well as Tee-Hee. Together, they more than make up for Nick-Nack, Hai-Fat, the Sumo-wrestlers, the Karate school students, etc... The Tarot Card/Voodoo element of the film is far more intriguing than Scaramanga shooting James Bond with a gun made out of office supplies. I don't think I need to explain how OP, TLD, or LTK were original, because that's fairly obvious.

In conclusion, TMWTGG isn't a bad movie, it's just a bad BOND movie. This has nothing to do with the James Bond character which Fleming introduced to us. I think that if Fleming had lived long enough to see TMWTGG, he would have died immediately after watching it, because it is a true blasphemy to the character which he created. Fortunately, the damage done by this movie was short lived, and was more than made up for three years later when the extra-ordinary TSWLM was made (thank god.)