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[Bondian]

Hi Folks.

OK, this threads probably going to be the most black and white topic going, but nonetheless interesting. So let's get down and dirty.

Whilst posting in YOLT's Why are the film makers lazy? thread, the thought occurred to me, why is it that the films always start with the main Villain bordering on blowing up the world etc, and not at the early stages of planning it. OK, we're talking about a movie here were logic and sensibility's left at the box office, but why do we never see the main Villain setting up their evil doings instead of the final stages?.

For example, how did Stromberg build a massive "world beneath the sea", and Blofeld ( thanks Darren ) get the colossal manpower to dig out a volcano without anyone knowing?. Not only that, how did they get the money?. Surely Social Security doesn't pay that much, or did they have a regular job at some stage?.

We never hear of a Villain who used to work for KFC being so bored with his job, he wants to take over the world by poisoning the planet. Or the Wal-Mart restroom doctor ( or whatever they call the people who clean the bogs ) who decides to bore out a Japanese volcano, or to build a space station

Can you imagine an advert in a Japanese newspaper?.

"wanted, 20,000 men and women, preferably with their own shovels, to help dig out an inactive volcano. Sorry, no pay, but for all of those to help to complete this mission, your lives will be spared. Food and drink will not be supplied, so it would be preferable if your seeking to diet. Please send your resume to Mr Kevin McClory. Although the volcano can be seen from outer space, the location is a secret!". "We're an inhumane opportunity employer!".

Now, who in their right mind would answer to that?. No pay, no food, own shovel and who the hell is Kevin McClory, these people are Japanese for Christ's sake. Also, why are all the workers white?.

Well, now finally the question. Will we ever see the Villain starting his dastardly plan from scratch, or are we always going to see their plan almost being carried-out?.

Cheers,


M. J. Wilson.

[Scottlee]

We sometimes see the villain's masterplan at about the 'halfway point'. Hell, we saw it all the way from the beginning in From Russia With Love and Thunderball, though I'm willing to accept that these films were without lair at the end.

Can't explain how the lairs pop up un-noticed, though.

[Genrewriter]

Maybe they work at night, real quiet.

[Johnboy007]

What do they tell the families when one of them dies?

"We regret to inform you that your husband died as a result of the British interfering with our plans to make the world a safer, quieter place"

Hmmpf

[SnakeEyes]

The reason they do this, is because when they don't people complain about it being dull.

Look at TLD: everything is explained in that about the villans. You have an ex-merc, fuding his own arms deals, makes more cash, buys manshion etc. Then you have a major political player who is corrupt, wants more of the action so sets up (with his 'legit' arms dealing buddy) to have a few bits of the cash go his way in return for getting rid of his superior so he can raise his rank, take over the KGB and the two would be set up to fuel a good old arms dealing war vs the west where money and power would be a plently.

Of course, most people didn't get that bit.
I guess Whittaker should have used a secret mountain base and Koskov should have been a super evil dictator...

[Chi-Town's Finest]

A possible explanation to the origin of the volcano lair is that SPECTRE must have been financed by Osato's corporation. That is where the money must have come from, but I agree that hollowing out a volcano is not a quiet undertaking.

[Bondian]

Excellent points Snake.

Licence To Kill has similar justifications.

I think it's the older films that lack any logical explanation.

Cheers,


Ian

The reason they do this, is because when they don't people complain about it being dull.

Look at TLD: everything is explained in that about the villans. You have an ex-merc, fuding his own arms deals, makes more cash, buys manshion etc. Then you have a major political player who is corrupt, wants more of the action so sets up (with his 'legit' arms dealing buddy) to have a few bits of the cash go his way in return for getting rid of his superior so he can raise his rank, take over the KGB and the two would be set up to fuel a good old arms dealing war vs the west where money and power would be a plently.

Of course, most people didn't get that bit.
I guess Whittaker should have used a secret mountain base and Koskov should have been a super evil dictator...

[YOLT]

I think if they can made a trilogy or something like that this idea can work. We must have a trilogy ending I think for 2012 50 years of Bond.

[Johnboy007]

A possible explanation to the origin of the volcano lair is that SPECTRE must have been financed by Osato's corporation.  That is where the money must have come from, but I agree that hollowing out a volcano is not a quiet undertaking.

Perhaps they were excavating to look for raw materials to make Monosodium Glutamate, given that they recently discovered the new process of making it.

Maybe his wife just lost her dog, or something.

[Double-Oh-Zero]

Admittedly, it would be rather funny in a Bond film to see the UN drop in on a villain whilst they're hollowing out a volcano or something. Although it might destroy the whole fantasy element of the film if we saw some roofing blokes sitting on some scaffolding outside the lair, munching on some corned beef sandwiches on their lunch break.

"Nope, nuffink to see 'ere, guv'nor. What're we doin' sitting outside this volcano, then? Oh...Trump's opening a new hotel or summat. Yes, we are comfortable wiv' the fact we're wearing lime green jumpsuits. Go away."

[Bondian]

Perhaps they were excavating to look for raw materials to make Monosodium Glutamate, given that they recently discovered the new process of making it. 

A very logical explanation my young friend.

Maybe his wife just lost her dog, or something.

LOL Good one Mate. LOL