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[Qwerty]

Both of these films are generally regarded as two of the better films in the cinematic James Bond series. Goldfinger is hyped up for being the film that really set the standard for the series and set in stone several of the elements one sees in every, or nearly all the films.

GoldenEye on the other hand is usually looked upon as Pierce Brosnan's best James Bond film. It brought Bond into the 90's after the Cold War with a bang and put him on the playing field once more.

Which of these two films do you like more/think is the better film and why?

[00-FAN008]

There is an equal dividing line between the two films. I have found that a majority of people in their early to late 40's and 50's recall Goldfinger as their favourite James Bond film, whereas the general youth aged 12-16 prefer GoldenEye. The films set their own standards in different eras.

[Tarl_Cabot]

You've got to be kidding right? You want to compare the most iconic Bond film to the so so Goldeneye??

OK I'll try:

'Goldeneye' was a great event film since we hadn't seen Bond in 6.5 years. It's entertaining and i agree it's Brosnan's best film but it has some major flaws: An inconsistent score, plot holes and a brilliant pretitle spoiled by some cheesy blue screen Superman effects/lame stunt.I liked that Monte Carlo finally appeared in an offical Bond film; it's ironic because I think Monte Carlo is the ultimate setting for a James Bond adventure...It's a good intro for Brosnan who finds a sort of balance between the serious Dalton and the cheesy one liner charm of Moore. He was a democratic Bond for sure, which was good for business.

'Goldfinger' is Connery's most iconic film(my favorite is FRWL). It's just so classic because the formula was established:The element of bizzarre, the outlandishly ambitious plot to nuke fort Knox, Oddjob,the pretitle, and the car...

Goldfinger took James Bond into his own genre. FRWL was a spy thriller. Now we have "Spy thrillers" and "James Bond films".

I think Goldfinger is vastly superior to Goldeneye all across the board: 007 Star,women,villian,plot,music,song, script/dialogue and pretitle...

[Qwerty]

You've got to be kidding right? You want to compare the most iconic Bond film to the so so Goldeneye??

Opinions differ, I hope to see some varied replies.

[Turn]

As somebody else said, these films are based more on generational preference. Some discovered Bond in the '90s not just due to GoldenEye the film, but GoldenEye the video game.

But the big picture is Goldfinger is what put James Bond on the map to stay 40 years ago. The film is iconic. I can point to probably 10 or more different iconic moments from Goldfinger. For GoldenEye, I can point to maybe one or two at the most.

GoldenEye was successful at resurrecting the Bond series. Goldfinger was a landmark in cinema history.

Also, Qwerty, why doesn't The Man With the Golden Gun fit in here? Loomis will be disappointed.

[Brian Flagg]

GOLDFINGER is to gold as GOLDENEYE is to pyrite.

Pierce Brosnan's Bond films don't have any iconic content. They are too slick, politically correct and so watered down not to mention so far removed from Fleming as to be unrecognizable as Bond. GOLDFINGER is the 007 franchise becoming a franchise, with all of the classic traits: Barry score, Bassey song, Connery as Bond, the Aston-Martin DB5, painted girl, memorable quotes, Oddjob, etc.

GOLDENEYE, on the other hand is merely Bond returning from exile without all of the things that made him memorable. He's been neutered by EON, not to mention M and Moneypenny, and barely resembles the Bond we all remember. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that Bond even returned at all, I doubt this website would be what it is today without the Brosnan era.

[Qwerty]

Also, Qwerty, why doesn't The Man With the Golden Gun fit in here? Loomis will be disappointed.

True point Turn. I actually did consider that one when making this thread, but merely by "common" opinion, The Man With The Golden Gun isn't looked upon as great as these other two are.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]GoldenEye tried way to hard to have everything everyone wanted in a James Bond film.

Goldfinger just had everything everyone wanted in a James Bond film, even that that they didn

[Turn]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='2 December 2004 - 20:18'][mra]GoldenEye tried way to hard to have everything everyone wanted in a James Bond film.

Goldfinger just had everything everyone wanted in a James Bond film, even that that they didn

[Twine29]

What if I was to say that I love BOTH Goldfinger and Goldeneye?

If it's Bond, It just rocks. Period.

and for the record The Man With the Golden Gun, is one of my favorites!!!

"Knick Knack,... Tobassco!"

"Wight Away Miser Shcharmunga" - The way Knick Knack pronounces everything

Edited by Twine29, 02 December 2004 - 10:20 PM.

[00-FAN008]

You've got to be kidding right? You want to compare the most iconic Bond film to the so so Goldeneye??

That is not what I meant. I'm not comparing the two, I just found that GoldenEye stands out with a younger generation, whereas Goldfinger was the cinematic extrodinaire of the older generations before. And besides, GoldenEye is far from so-so, you're just confusing the fact with your personal opinion.

Edited by 00-FAN008, 03 December 2004 - 12:44 AM.

[00-FAN008]

They are too slick,  politically correct and so watered down not to mention so far removed from Fleming as to be unrecognizable as Bond.

Too politically correct? So you'd rather have James Bond team up alongside a chimpanzee in a flying hovercar (and or time machine) to do battle with a mutated piece of gouda in the Lylat star system with the help of the one and only Fox McCloud? And what do you mean by "too slick"? Seriously- THAT'S JAMES BOND!!! That's ALWAYS been JAMES BOND, in the movies at least!!! So maybe blame Connery and Moore instead.

[Qwerty]

[quote name='00-FAN008' date='2 December 2004 - 19:49'][quote name='Brian Flagg' date='2 December 2004 - 16:46']They are too slick,

[00-FAN008]

Qwerty, you seem to enjoy doing that one alot, don't you?

[Qwerty]

Not really.

[Qwerty]

Not really.

[00-FAN008]

Whatever- just wondering.

[Qwerty]

What if I was to say that I love BOTH Goldfinger and Goldeneye?

If it's Bond, It just rocks. Period.

and for the record The Man With the Golden Gun, is one of my favorites!!!

"Knick Knack,... Tobassco!"

"Wight Away Miser Shcharmunga" - The way Knick Knack pronounces everything

No problem there, they're both good films without a doubt.

[brendan007]

I know im in the minority around here, but i hate Goldfinger. Sure it may have been all that or whatever back in its day, but 40 years later its mostly a bore.
Considering how well FRWL and TB have aged, its rather odd that GF doesnt come off better. Everytime i 'hook' someone new on the old school Bond films, its always Goldfinger thats the hardest to get them to sit through (even if they've enjoyed the first two films).
Goldeneye on the other hand is a great Bond film. While Goldfinger may have set the formula, it's Goldeneye that has the most fun with it.

[Qwerty]

Story Here:

Sean Connery's Goldfinger is a Cool Film

[Loomis]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='2 December 2004 - 20:18'][mra]GoldenEye tried way to hard to have everything everyone wanted in a James Bond film.

Goldfinger just had everything everyone wanted in a James Bond film, even that that they didn

[Loomis]

Also, Qwerty, why doesn't The Man With the Golden Gun fit in here? Loomis will be disappointed.

True point Turn. I actually did consider that one when making this thread, but merely by "common" opinion, The Man With The Golden Gun isn't looked upon as great as these other two are.

I'd say that THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN is a far better film than GOLDENEYE, and not nearly as good a film as GOLDFINGER. I'd also say that it's much more entertaining than GOLDFINGER or GOLDENEYE. Just my opinion, of course.