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[Qwerty]

Imagine Roger Moore decides that after Octopussy, he's done. Calls it quits. Imagine that A View To A Kill would be the next James Bond film and Timothy Dalton would be the star. How do you think it would have turned out?

What humor would be taken away, and what would stay or be changed around? Do you think the plot would have stayed mostly the same, or would a more grittier one take place?

The co-stars, do you think Dalton's Bond could have worked well with the cast of A View To A Kill?

[Bond111]

Upon viewing A View To A Kill again recently, I realized how the tone was in some ways similar to The Living Daylights. Also, when you think about it A View To A Kill really is a violent movie, maybe not as much as some others in the series, but it does have it's fair share of gruesome acts. This would go well with the newer, edgier Bond.

Obviously the Moore humor would have to be toned down, but I think the plot would generally stay the same. I can't quite picture Tanya Roberts alongside Timothy Dalton, but the rest of the characters seem to fit in fine.

Overrall I'd say the basic structure is definitely there, just a few changes and Tim would have another Bond gem.

[Dr. Tynan]

Acting wise, they are not really up to Dalton's standard and the movie wouldn't be as good as TLD due to the (for the most part) not as good acting as in TLD. Dalton might also make the other actors look dumb.

The VIEW plot is too crazy for Tim Dalton.

[TheSaint]

I think the basic plot would've remained the same but, I can't see Tim mixing well with Tanya Roberts & Patrick Macnee.

[SnakeEyes]

I could see it working. As has been said, the plot and characters for AVTAK are basically sound, it's just the humour and Bond that would be changed alot. View has alot of nasty stuff in, especially parts with Zorin (e.g. the mass murder with the UZIs in the mines), so a harder edge Bond for Zorin to play off (and vice versa) would have been amazing IMO.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Well, Tim certainly would not have had any trouble with the May Day love scene.

But really, if Dalton took over in A View To A Kill the script would've had many changes (if there was time of course). Not because of a new Bond, but just that it would've been the right time to re-invent the series.

Although, A View To A Kill may've been like The Living Daylights in which the script was written with a generic Bond in mind - just tweeked here and there to suit Dalton, but the next one, whether it would've been The Living Daylights is hard to determine, would've been a Licence To Kill in style and tone. Dalton's ideas on Bond's direction would not have being any diferent then to what it was when it was time to take Bond done another path in Licence To Kill, nd Eon would most likely have followed in the same way, I guess.

[Turn]

A Dalton AVTAK may have meant snowboarding would have never been invented.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Loose the fire engine chase/beach boys and the film might have worked...

[Scottlee]

In terms of taking a bond actor and theoretically placing him into another bond actor's Bond film, you really couldn't have picked a worse combination at all could you? lol. I seriously can't even begin to contemplate Dalton in AVTAK.

[Qwerty]

I could see it working. As has been said, the plot and characters for AVTAK are basically sound, it's just the humour and Bond that would be changed alot. View has alot of nasty stuff in, especially parts with Zorin (e.g. the mass murder with the UZIs in the mines), so a harder edge Bond for Zorin to play off (and vice versa) would have been amazing IMO.

Definitely a great thing to think about if it had happened. I think A View To A Kill, while being probably my least favorite official Bond film still has it's good points for sure. I'm really not sure which Bond, Roger or Tim would have been better in it, but I can more and more see it working with both actors. Granted, I would expect alot of changes if it was Dalton in the role, such as that humour, the plot, other characters, etc..

[SnakeEyes]

If someone like Walken had played either (or both) of the villans in TLD, that film would have been more popular with the average joe. Pity he got 'wasted' on a film like AVTAK. Still, it's good for a laugh with Roberts easy on the eyes, Roger easy on the seriousness and the plot easy on the brain.

[bryonalston]

I think that Dalton would have been fantastic in AVTAK, but only without the overt slapstick humour and if Pola Ivanova had been made into the main Bond girl, with Stacy being thrown off of a building or something. The movie could have also used a gadgetized car and some more advanced gadgets to spice things up a bit.

[Bondesque]

AVTAK was one of the worst Bond films ever. I will say that my lovely date for the film was spectacular and delivered a far better performance then Tanya Roberts!

[hcmv007]

I felt he should have been cast in Octopussy or A View to a Kill. He might have made those movies better.

[Qwerty]

I felt he should have been cast in Octopussy

Oh, I thought Octopussy worked terrifically with Roger Moore.

[tdalton]

I felt he should have been cast in Octopussy

Oh, I thought Octopussy worked terrifically with Roger Moore.

I thought Roger was good in Octopussy as well. Although, I could never complain with having more Bond films with Timothy Dalton in them.

[Bondian]

If I may be permitted to say, why are we always comparing actors with movies that they didn't appear in?.

A View To A Kill was the last picture that Roger Moore was in. Okay, if Timothy had made this movie it probably been called The Living Daylights. So roger would of finished playing Bond after Octopussy.

Instead of Pierce's first movie being GoldenEye we could of had A View To A Kill.

What would be the difference?.

OK. If Timothy had made A View To A Kill it would mean that he'd made 3 movies instead of 2.

All I can say that if he was in A View To A Kill it wouldn't of worked,and I doubt if he's had the chance to of made the two he'd make.

A View To A Kill was probably one of the best 'honest' movies that EON has made. Roger Moore gave his best performance in this one, and at the age of 58 did some stunts that none of the other actors could possible do.

We cannot change history, and why should we?.

Cheers,


Ian

[Qwerty]

If I may be permitted to say, why are we always comparing actors with movies that they didn't appear in?.

I like to sometimes merely for the "What-If's" these sort of topics bring up. In my opinion, we shouldn't change the history of the cinematic 007 (and naturally, we can't), but it's fun to wonder.

[Bondian]

I like to sometimes merely for the "What-If's" these sort of topics bring up. In my opinion, we shouldn't change the history of the cinematic 007 (and naturally, we can't), but it's fun to wonder.

Oh, I agree my fine worded friend.

Just trying to come across as intelligent for a change ya know.

Cheers,


Ian

[trumanlodge89]

i think the snowboarding would be taken out, and tanya roberts (and grace jones maybe) would need to be recast. other than that? AVTAK would be a great introduction for timothy dalton. a few lines rewritten and it wouldve been good to go.

[MrDraco]

Dalton could have pulled Octopussy off really well, but View To A Kill...no,

[Qwerty]

I like to sometimes merely for the "What-If's" these sort of topics bring up. In my opinion, we shouldn't change the history of the cinematic 007 (and naturally, we can't), but it's fun to wonder.

Oh, I agree my fine worded friend.

Just trying to come across as intelligent for a change ya know.

Cheers,


Ian

[Mr. Somerset]

I remember an Entertainment Tonight interview with Dalton the day Daylights was released in which he said he wouldn't have suited the direction the films had been going in the Moore era. He used the mini jet coming out of the horses backside as an example. As for AVTAK, definitely a Moore style film, even with the added violence. Still, Tim might've pulled off that nice dark leather jacket Bond wears at City Hall better than Moore did.

[trumanlodge89]

I remember an Entertainment Tonight interview with Dalton the day Daylights was released in which he said he wouldn't have suited the direction the films had been going in the Moore era. He used the mini jet coming out of the horses backside as an example. As for AVTAK, definitely a Moore style film, even with the added violence. Still, Tim might've pulled off that nice dark leather jacket Bond wears at City Hall better than Moore did.

well i think AVTAK is the darkest of the moore films, even more so than LALD, which is a pretty twisted story in itself. unfortunatly, the performence of mainly tanya roberts detracts from the darkness of her character. a better actress in her place wouldve given her character so much more depth. moore's performence is perfectly suitable for this movie, IMO. dalton would've been better, though, just because he was a more suitable age.

Edited by trumanlodge89, 25 August 2005 - 05:37 PM.

[hrabb04]

Dalton going head to head with Walken would have been more fitting because they are both very intense actors. They could really have played that up. Kill could have been the top film of the summer if they had Dalton in it and done some tweaking, getting rid of the idiot humor. What a waste...of a movie.

[DLibrasnow]

It never would have been a Timothy Dalton movie anyway. As we know Brosnan was supposed to have been in The Living Daylights but couldn't because of his contract. I suspect if the Bond role had opened up in 1983 then it would have been Brosnan in A View To A Kill - not Dalton.

[DLibrasnow]

A more interesting "what-if" would be Dalton in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, a movie for which Dalton was offered the role of 007.

[Qwerty]

I suspect if the Bond role had opened up in 1983 then it would have been Brosnan in A View To A Kill - not Dalton.

Another interesting what-if.

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

I'd love to see Dalton in AVTAK!! Anything to get more chances to see Timothy with more chances to play 007!

[Flash1087]

I concur with the fact that had AVTAK been Dalton's first, TLD would've been vastly different. In TLD, they still had Dalton whipping off one-liners ("aren't you glad I told you to bring that?") although with less aplomb than Moore, but that's because they had to write it for a generic Bond. TLD then would've been Licence to Kill, with a much gritter Bond and a much darker plot, even though Dalton still had his more ruthless moments. AVTAK would've suited Dalton perfectly after a little re-tooling (NO FIRE TRUCK CHASE!), IMHO it's certainly one of the darker Bond films from any actor, and Dalton could've shined in it.

But like I said, no matter how cool Dalton may have been in AVTAK, that still would've made The Living Daylights much different...and I love TLD just the way it is now.