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[Glor (009)]

Yes, maybe if you were to skip from when the laser starts aiming at the rocket sled to when Bond rides back to the palace on the snow mobile and then fast forward past the Stun Gun fight with Graves toward the end it makes for a better film. I still think if a stunt can't be done by a human in a Bond film, it shouldn't be in the film.

I agree that the Yo Mama line was a little odd but I didn't mind seeing Halle Berry. I think the problem with having big actors is that the Bond movies are not well written in terms of dialogue. They are meant to be a little camp now or at least they seem to be. When you have a big star trying to lighten things up or play a part over the top the seams show and you can tell they are acting. It just doesn't look natural. Even Frost seems a little extra icy and I rather like that part of the film.

You do have to love the nods to other films throughout this one though.

[Qwerty]

I agree that the Yo Mama line was a little odd but I didn't mind seeing Halle Berry. I think the problem with having big actors is that the Bond movies are not well written in terms of dialogue.

I think in the case of Die Another Day though, the problem IMO was coupled with some occasional poor dialogue and the slight urbanization of the main female lead.

[Harmsway]

I've recently come to the conclusion that DAD is, in fact, the absolute worst Bond film. Save for a few good moments, it's just a serious mess. I'd really rather watch anything in the Bond series, because they're not anywhere near this bad. Since Purvis & Wade are writing Bond 21, God help James Bond.

[Qwerty]

Since Purvis & Wade are writing Bond 21, God help James Bond.

That occurred to me, but I wonder if because this was the 40th anniversary and they were concentrating so heavily on old relics of the past films, that sometimes the plot came second.

Since there won't be any distractions of that kind for Bond 21, I'm hoping it will have a better and more credible and developed plot.

[DLibrasnow]

I've recently come to the conclusion that DAD is, in fact, the absolute worst Bond film. Save for a few good moments, it's just a serious mess. I'd really rather watch anything in the Bond series, because they're not anywhere near this bad. Since Purvis & Wade are writing Bond 21, God help James Bond.

Surely that "distinction" belongs to the truly dire The World Is Not Enough.

[DLibrasnow]

Since Purvis & Wade are writing Bond 21, God help James Bond.

That occurred to me, but I wonder if because this was the 40th anniversary and they were concentrating so heavily on old relics of the past films, that sometimes the plot came second.

Or was the whole homage theme a smokescreen to hide the fact that P & W were totally devoid of original ideas and so had to borrow so heavily from past movies??

[Qwerty]

Since Purvis & Wade are writing Bond 21, God help James Bond.

That occurred to me, but I wonder if because this was the 40th anniversary and they were concentrating so heavily on old relics of the past films, that sometimes the plot came second.

Or was the whole homage theme a smokescreen to hide the fact that P & W were totally avoid of original ideas and so had to borrow so heavily from past movies??

Haha!

They can make some good ideas, I'd just prefer if another writer would work on the scripts with them.

[Willie Garvin]

The storyline wasn't all that terrible.It was loosely inspired by Ian Fleming's Moonraker novel's plot--the one Eon hadn't filmed.But the dialogue needed another polish.Clearly some audience members didn't expect to see Pierce Brosnan's Bond involved in a story that was in places as fantastic as a Roger Moore Bond film.

This movie has some good moments and I liked most of the tributes to the series.20th film in 40 years released on the 50th anniversary of the publication of the first James Bond novel.The moviemakers may have tried to put too much into this film but I think they'd have heard plenty of complaints if there were too few.

[Qwerty]

The storyline wasn't all that terrible.It was loosely inspired by Ian Fleming's Moonraker novel's plot--the one Eon hadn't filmed.But the dialogue needed another polish.Clearly some audience members didn't expect to see Pierce Brosnan's Bond involved in a story that was in places as fantastic as a Roger Moore Bond film.

I think it had a good storyline, but a poor execution. I wanted to see about Graves intentions with the Icarus satellite.

The dialogue was...well it was Purvis and Wade dialogue. Could have been better.

[Harmsway]

The storyline wasn't all that terrible.It was loosely inspired by Ian Fleming's Moonraker novel's plot--the one Eon hadn't filmed.But the dialogue needed another polish.Clearly some audience members didn't expect to see Pierce Brosnan's Bond involved in a story that was in places as fantastic as a Roger Moore Bond film.

I think it had a good storyline, but a poor execution. I wanted to see about Graves intentions with the Icarus satellite.

The dialogue was...well it was Purvis and Wade dialogue. Could have been better.

It didn't have a good storyline, rather it had some good inspiration from Ian Fleming's book Moonraker.

Other than that, it's a cluttered mess of a plot. There's just too many plotlines to follow. Bond's capture, African conflict diamonds, the North Korean coup, Gustav Graves and his mine, the Icarus satellite, NSA involvement with Graves, Chinese involvement with Zao, an MI6 traitor, and genetic therapy. Ugh. Pick three and develop 'em. Don't try to fit them all in one movie!

And I'm not even going to touch on the dialogue.

And DLibrasnow - I think that TWINE (though a bad film as well) has more redeemable elements than DAD.

[Qwerty]

Other than that, it's a cluttered mess of a plot. There's just too many plotlines to follow. Bond's capture, African conflict diamonds, the North Korean coup, Gustav Graves and his mine, the Icarus satellite, NSA involvement with Graves, Chinese involvement with Zao, an MI6 traitor, and genetic therapy. Ugh. Pick three and develop 'em. Don't try to fit them all in one movie!

Kind of, in a way like The Man With The Golden Gun which had some odd plotlines running, that never seemed to culminate together in a fashion that made the overall feel of the film credible.

[Turn]

It didn't have a good storyline, rather it had some good inspiration from Ian Fleming's book Moonraker.
And DLibrasnow - I think that TWINE (though a bad film as well) has more redeemable elements than DAD.

In DAD's defense, at least it had a sense of fun and not trying to take itself all that seriously. I'd rather have several different things going on that go nowhere as opposed to something uninteresting as TWINE was. And TWINE's sense of fun was watching Robby Coltrane flailing around in a vat of caviar. Desparate at best.

[Agent 76]

And TWINE's sense of fun was watching Robby Coltrane flailing around in a vat of caviar. Desparate at best.

very desperate!

[Qwerty]

And TWINE's sense of fun was watching Robby Coltrane flailing around in a vat of caviar. Desparate at best.

I wouldn't say though that they were trying to just throw in humor for scenes that they could. Die Another Day does indeed seem like a lighter feeling movie, but the humor in both films seems to be relatively the same style.

[Agent 76]

[...]Die Another Day does indeed seem like a lighter feeling movie, [...]

I tought that too...sadly is true..

[Qwerty]

[...]Die Another Day does indeed seem like a lighter feeling movie, [...]

I tought that too...sadly is true..

And what is sad about that?

[Loomis]

I've recently come to the conclusion that DAD is, in fact, the absolute worst Bond film. Save for a few good moments, it's just a serious mess. I'd really rather watch anything in the Bond series, because they're not anywhere near this bad. Since Purvis & Wade are writing Bond 21, God help James Bond.

Surely that "distinction" belongs to the truly dire The World Is Not Enough.

You're quite right. TWINE's the worst of the bunch, hands down. It makes DAD look like CITIZEN KANE.

[Agent 76]

[...]Die Another Day does indeed seem like a lighter feeling movie, [...]

I tought that too...sadly is true..

And what is sad about that?

I would prefer a less lighter film...

[Qwerty]

[...]Die Another Day does indeed seem like a lighter feeling movie, [...]

I tought that too...sadly is true..

And what is sad about that?

I would prefer a less lighter film...

While lighter than The World Is Not Enough, it is hardly a fluffy, light Bond film. I think it more of a Moonraker, which is to me, lighter in some aspects, but still movingalong in plot, etc..

However, I'll always perfer Moonraker to Die Another Day.