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[Bondian]

I can remember the premiere in London's Odeon Leicester Square like it was yesterday!.

It was a very hot summer night, and the Dalton was unhappy at the 15 certificate rating.

Boy, how time flies!!!.

Cheers,


Ian

[brendan007]

[quote name='boggles' date='17 December 2004 - 15:04']
[quote name='Atticus17F' date='16 June 2004 - 14:05'][quote name='Loomis' date='16 June 2004 - 09:17']I think Fleming would have loved the film. It was as someone else said the first adult Bond film. I don't think we will see its like getting made again.

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Not intentionaly trying to bag LTK again (its been done often enough lol) but I dont Fleming would've enjoyed LTK at all. His sophisticated James Bond had been replaced by a british version of Mel Gibson.
While the tone might've suited Fleming, Dalton's portrayal of Bond is NOTHING like the secret agent Fleming wrote about all those years ago (which isnt necessarily a bad thing, just that Fleming would not have approved).

[Bondian]

It's hard to say really if Fleming would of approved of Dalton's portrayal as Bond. He certainly didn't like Sean at first that's for sure.

As for your Mel Gibson simularity, you're quite correct, but doesn't this prove that EON is a former self?.

When I look back at Dalton's two movies, I look back at a time when the films were fresh, and keeping still within a certain Flemingesque radius.

I like Timothy Dalton as James Bond because he added a lot of his own character to the part, and was quite original.

Cheers,


Ian

[Turn]

I agree with the Fleming comments. In the novels, he compared Bond with singer/actor Hoagy Carmichael, who really didn't look like a secret agent or action hero. And names like Cary Grant and David Niven were the ones bandied about when the series was about to kick off. It seems he wanted somebody with more emphasis on the suave than anything else.

[boggles]

It was a very hot summer night, and the Dalton was unhappy at the 15 certificate rating.

I also remember on the Wogan programme Wogan mentioned it to Dalton about having a 15 certificate and he seemed unpleased about it. Perhaps he was hoping that it would get the new (at the time) 12 certificate. He must have known from the script that it was going to be tough to get all of these deaths past the censor this time! I don't see how it could get anything less than a 15 it has a lot of violence in it :

a headbutt (not 12 friendly)
Krest being stretched (this got it the rating more than anything I suspect)
Sanchez a la BBQ (trimmed a lot to get a 15)
Dario getting ground up in the cocaine slicer
Heller getting impaled by a forklift
Shark gun used on one of Krest's men (complements of Sharky!)
Man's heart cut out (I know it is off screen must that makes it more powerful)
Domestic abuse (Lupe getting wiped with a ray's tail)
The close shots showing her scars are a bit risque
British agent who is going to send Bond back dying had a lot of blood on him
The Hong Kong agent foaming at the mouth was a close shoot(dying from a cyanide pill)
Felix's shark attack
Killifer getting ripped apart by sharks

It is without doubt the most violent Bond ever put to film.

Edited by boggles, 19 December 2004 - 03:14 AM.

[MarkA]

I have been to the premiers of FYEO, OCTOPUSSY, AVTAK, TLD, LTK, GOLDENEYE, DAD & CASINO ROYALE. I have a photo of me talking to a very happy and smiley John Glen after the LTK premier so he seemed pretty pleased. But he did mention to me the disappointment at getting a 15 cert. The 80's premiers were really a lot of fun. A lot less controlled and security conscious, but I guess that is a sign of the times.
My favourite was TLD. For one I really loved the film. But walking in with Dalton and Maryam d'Abo and chatting to them was amazing. And after the film Dalton was walking out surrounded by security when he saw and recognised me from earlier, and without me asking he reached over and signed my premier brochure. What a nice gesture. I also chatted to John Barry outside. I remember him saying to me that he put a synthesiser behind the Bond theme at the beginning to give it some welly. It surprised me how down to earth he was.
Also chatted to Bob Simmons and Patrick Mcnee after the AVTAK premier. Such great memories.

[DaveBond21]

I was 14, and just too young to be able to see it. I didn't get to see it until it finally made it onto British TV, 2 years later than it would normally have done, in 1994!!!