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The interregnum of 1989-1995


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#61 DaveBond21

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:30 AM

Also, there was no Internet back then so there was no quick way to share news and rumors about what was going on. The Bond films, for most people, simply disappeared and very little was reported on them in the standard entertainment media (Entertainment Tonight, Variety, Premiere etc). If my answers seem boring, that's probably why.


Good point. It's hard to imagine now, but Bond fans couldn't get together like this and chat about the movies, past, present or in-the-making at all until recently. I do remember the people in the frame for Bond in 1994. I didn't know who Pierce Brosnan was back then, but just looking at him, I knew he had to get the role, versus bizarre suggestions like Mel Gibson, Hugh Grant, Denzel Washington and Sharon Stone!!

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:48 AM

Also, there was no Internet back then so there was no quick way to share news and rumors about what was going on. The Bond films, for most people, simply disappeared and very little was reported on them in the standard entertainment media (Entertainment Tonight, Variety, Premiere etc). If my answers seem boring, that's probably why.


Good point. It's hard to imagine now, but Bond fans couldn't get together like this and chat about the movies, past, present or in-the-making at all until recently. I do remember the people in the frame for Bond in 1994. I didn't know who Pierce Brosnan was back then, but just looking at him, I knew he had to get the role, versus bizarre suggestions like Mel Gibson, Hugh Grant, Denzel Washington and Sharon Stone!!

True, but even by that point there were many more options than there had been 10-20 years prior to that that kept the series out there. Bond was still quite visible on video and on television quite often on ABC and then TBS in the U.S.

Besides that, I never doubted Bond would return. Especially now, we live in a culture where everything old is new again and eventually he would have come back.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 03:21 AM

Besides that, I never doubted Bond would return. Especially now, we live in a culture where everything old is new again and eventually he would have come back.


You were more optimistic than me. I thought that Bond was finished back in 1992. However, I don't think I'd ever think that 007 was gone forever, again.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 09:34 AM

Thought I'd ask a few questions of CBners old enough to remember the 1989-1995 interregnum:


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- At what point did you realise that the Bond franchise was in serious jeopardy/that Dalton was not going to return?

I lived in Sweden at the time and there was this James Bond comics type magazine. They usually had some film related news. I found out from there about the lawsuits etc.



- Did you ever feel that there would never be another Bond film? If so, how did you feel about that? (Which sounds a silly question since this is a forum full of hardcore Bond geeks, but it would have all hinged on your level of addic----, sorry, fandom at the time.)

Never. I never doubted that James Bond would RETURN!



- Did you switch your allegiance to another series of films, such as the DIE HARDs, the Jack Ryans....?

Never! Bond has always been my sole action vice. I'm rather snobbish about it actually.



- Did you have strong views on who ought to replace Dalton?

I saw Pierce Brosnan in Remington Steele and thought he'd be the perfect guy!



- How did you feel when you learned that Brosnan had been cast?

See above. I was ecstatic - especially after all the rumours about Mel Gibson. My first moment of questioning whether he might not be the perfect guy was during the GoldenEye opening sequence, when he sort of runs down the stairs. It just looked wrong to me - a posing, unnatural effect somehow. He was still the right guy for the job for a long time after that though - weaknesses easily forgiven.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 05:52 PM

- At what point did you realize that the Bond franchise was in serious jeopardy/that Dalton was not going to return?
When the first weekends grosses came in, I remember watching some entertainment show (I think it was on Movie Time Channel, the predecessor to E!)and they made some shaken if not stirred remark or something. That annoyed me. I also remember that the theater was empty every time I went to see LTK. Man I must have seen that 10+ times in the theater. Even went to see it twice at the beach the weekend after its release.

- Did you ever feel that there would never be another Bond film? If so, how did you feel about that? (Which sounds a silly question since this is a forum full of hardcore Bond geeks, but it would have all hinged on your level of addic----, sorry, fandom at the time.)
When 91' rolled around and all one could hear were crickets, I thought something was wrong. And I seem to remember an interview with Dalton on some late night entertainment show on USA Network where he said he thought this was the last one. Great way for an actor to market his film, by the way. Then there was the fact that newsletters and Bondage, both publications from the James Bond Fan Club (USA) were no longer arriving in the mail. Then I really thought it was over when I did get a newsletter and it had Dalton's departure announcement.

- Did you switch your allegiance to another series of films, such as the DIE HARDs, the Jack Ryans....?
Not really. I enjoyed other action films but continued to be a Bond geek.

- Did you have strong views on who ought to replace Dalton?
Yes, When Moore left, I was really pulling for Brosnan. I was a huge Remington Steele fan, and thought he would be terrific as Bond and then I heard he was the guy....but then wasn't. I was very frustrated. So I was quite happy when I learned he would be Bond #5. Although I really enjoyed Dalton as Bond. Especially his commitment to be faithful to Fleming's Bond.
- How did you feel when you learned that Brosnan had been cast?
Yes, see the post above.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 10:42 PM

I sometimes think that the younger Bond fans don't realise just how popular the choice of Brosnan was, and also just how popular Goldeneye was, being the biggest box office success since Moonraker, I believe?

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 11:08 PM

Yes, I was amazed at the amount of people that went to see Goldeneye on opening night. I'd never been to a Bond film where the theater was that full, not even for CR and it was in the same theater on the same screen. I have to look back to TSWLM to remember that many people in line. Of course they all pale when looking at footage of people waiting to see GF and T-Ball.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 11:40 PM

There were queues when I went to see Casino Royale on opening night here in Sydney.

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 01:12 AM

I was 9 years old when LTK came out. I remember watching it when it first came out on video and thinking it was terrific. The later years were spent catching up on the other Bond films and reading Fleming, so the absence of new Bonds didn't occupy my mind, since all of the old ones were at hand. And since the end of LTK said "James Bond will return" I put my faith in that. I heard about the legal problems and thought that whenever they got those sorted out Bond really would return. There were times when I thought perhaps the series was permanently stalled, but I thought to myself, "Well, it's had a good run," and, as I said, I was still discovering or rediscovering the older entries.
I never switched allegiances--none of the other action heroes had class or comparable savoir faire. Who on Earth could prefer a bloated and bombastic film like True Lies to Bond? In the end, perhaps it was for the best that Bond sat out the craze for people like Stallone, Arnold S,. and Bruce Willis. By the time people had tired of those live action cartoons, Bond was back.
When Brosnan was cast I wasn't particularly thrilled, since I'd seen him in Ms. Doubtfire and Remington Steele and he'd seemed light-weight in both. But I was very happy that Bond himself was back on track, even if I never really warmed to Brosnan.

Incidentally, I'm always amazed how some of the best aspects of a film are precisely the ones held against it.

Let's be clear: LTK is not a great film. Too much obligatory, "audience-pleasing" silliness sees to that (everything from the guy swinging the swordfish at Bond in the bar fight to Q dressed as a South American peasant just casually chucking his walkie-talkie broom into a bush once he's finished with it)


People complain about how humorless LTK is and then others complain about the genuinely humorous parts! The film can't catch a break, can it? What's wrong with either of those bits anyway? The swordfish is hanging in bar (as they often do) and gets used for a handy weapon--it's organic to the scene. It's not as if a swordfish jumped into the bar from the dock. And Q casually throwing away the broom is one of his best moments--after all those years of bitching at 007 for treating his gadgets badly we learn that even he treats them flippantly, but only after he's done with them. Moments like these, and the relationship between Dalton and Q, who becomes almost like Walter Brennan in a Howard Hawks movie, vitiate any complaints about Q's supposedly "pointless" inclusion.

a cluster of terrible performances (Talisa Soto is often slammed, and with some justification, but Carey Lowell is often awful, and even the great Dalton's work is a very mixed bag here [check out his dreadful eye-popping and grinning during the Barrelhead Bar scrap])


That's called comedic acting. I'd do it too if a guy was attacking me with a swordfish. And Lowell is not always terrific but she's never awful. She was certainly the best Bond girl since FYEO. She's spunky, impulsive, and its credible for Bond to care about she feels about him. I think she'd pretty badly underrated.

And yet, and yet. Robert Davi and his crew seem more and more impressive as the years pass


He's the best Bond villain since the Connery years.

heaven knows there's more than a large dollop of Fleming.... but it isn't a Bond film, at least not in the generally accepted sense.


The generally accepted sense views a Bond film as a bloated self-parody, along the lines of YOLT. It's interesting to read Benson's Bond Companion and see how he regards YOLT and the Moore films as not being Bond movies. For me LTK is a return to Bondian roots and Flemingian ones--besides the LALD echoes, Bond's relationship with Sanchez recalls that of Bond and Scaramanga in TMWTGG. LTK is sort of like what TMWTGG would have come out like if Fleming had been in better health.

But what sort of Bond film, exactly, would have gone through the roof at the box office in 1989?


I don't know, but had the film been released in the fall, instead of having to compete with half a dozen sequels, blockbusters, and mega-successes like Batman, and had it received a competent promotional campaign, I think it would have been much better received. The summer of 89 was glutted with blockbusters--had LTK come out in fall or winter, the usual period for arty fare, when audiences are choking for action, history might have been different.

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 08:21 AM

Good points blackjack 60. And I have to admit, I've never noticed The Man With The Golden Gun novel-Licence To Kill film connection before. It does give one pause as to what might have been.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 02:54 PM

I sometimes think that the younger Bond fans don't realise just how popular the choice of Brosnan was, and also just how popular Goldeneye was, being the biggest box office success since Moonraker, I believe?


Sadly, some posters prefer to ignore that fact. I went to a pre-release screening of GoldenEye and it was quite emotional hearing that theme and seeing that gun-barrel again. Whatever anyone tries to say to the contrary, Brosnan - love him or loathe him - did kick-start the series back into life with GoldenEye. I, for one, will always be grateful to him for that - and I write as someone who really liked Dalton and still rates Licence To Kill as, perhaps, the most underrated of the entire series.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 02:59 PM

I sometimes think that the younger Bond fans don't realise just how popular the choice of Brosnan was, and also just how popular Goldeneye was, being the biggest box office success since Moonraker, I believe?


Sadly, some posters prefer to ignore that fact. I went to a pre-release screening of GoldenEye and it was quite emotional hearing that theme and seeing that gun-barrel again. Whatever anyone tries to say to the contrary, Brosnan - love him or loathe him - did kick-start the series back into life with GoldenEye. I, for one, will always be grateful to him for that - and I write as someone who really liked Dalton and still rates Licence To Kill as, perhaps, the most underrated of the entire series.


I still remember the bone chilling thrill I felt when the gunbarrel came up. Fantastic.

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 02:57 AM

I was and am a huge Timothy Dalton fan. Up until Craig, he was my favourite Bond. I would probably say that Craig is now but I need a little more time and at least one more film before I can make that choice. The highest complement I could pay to Dalton is that when I read the books he is the guy I picture in my mind.

I was really hyped to see LTK and in fact, I bought the original promotional poster long before the movie came out. I loved that tagline - his bad side is a dangerous place to be.

This one:

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BTW, I thought it was far better than the second poster:

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I loved TLD and had watched it on video tape so much back in the 80s that I almost knew by heart the entire dialogue (Oh to be young again and have endless amounts of time to waste!) I got tickets to the premiere from a DJ I knew in Ottawa whose radio station was putting it on.

For a long time, LTK was my favourite Bond movie because I liked Dalton's harder/tougher portrayal of Bond. But now, I would say that its probably not even in my top ten anymore. The big problem for me is the writing and some elements of the plot. While it got harder and tougher in some ways, it continued the silliness of many of the Roger Moore movies (i.e. the Wayne Newton character, the plot related to the Wayne Newton character etc.)

Dalton faced 3 big problems in my view:

1) The Roger Moore era should have ended with FYEO. The last 2 Roger Moore movies are painfully silly as is most of TSWLM and MR which suffered from the excesses of the 1970s. I personally blame that on the writing and the direction taken under Brocolli (Moore was quite good in FYEO). Had there been a longer break between Moore and Dalton or had the last 2 Moore movies not been made I think Dalton might have done quite well.

2) The writing, particularly for LTK (as I noted already), was not as good as it should have been and I blame that on the decision to go with Michael Wilson as a co-writer again. I am not a fan of the Brocollis and I don't have a lot of faith in their decisions. Sometimes I wonder if they make good decisions or they just get lucky from time to time... but that is another story. LTK really needed a good writer and a more refined plot and subplots.

3) The Bond films should have been released around US Thanksgiving. LTK was up against such stiff competition and I think if it had gotten a Christmas release, it would have done better. To me it was a serious mistake to release them in the summer and I hope they don't make that mistake again.

I did expect a Bond movie in 1991 and had even heard on Much Music (Canada's version of MTV) that it was going to be shot in part in Vancouver. I recall reading things here and there saying Dalton would be back once they resolved the lawsuit. Around 1993, I began to think that Bond would be back eventually but it would not be with Dalton. I was very happy when I heard the initial announcment that they would be doing a new Bond movie and it would likely be Timothy Dalton only to have my hopes dashed shortly thereafter, when Dalton bowed out.

I think I was hoping for Brosnan as I really wanted to see him in 1987 but was completely taken by Dalton's portrayal in the end. I also thought some of the other names thrown about were rediculous (Mel Gibson - yeah right). For me, the true hype around GoldenEye began when I was at the theatre and saw the GoldenEye Trailer (see below) for the first time and totally not expecting it. It builds so well and reminded everyone of who the original action hero was. The audience I saw the trailer with was cheering. The trailer can be found here: Its worth wathcing again even if you have seen it IMO.

Goldeneye, in my mind, was the best of the Brosnan films but I actually think he got better as Bond with each movie. Sadly, the scripts did not. I loved some aspects of the later Brosnan movies such as the emphasis on not killing in cold blood in TWINE and the entire first half of DAD. Its too bad Brosnan never got a shot at a serious Bond movie. While Dalton was my favourite, I give Brosnan full credit for reviving the series. Although, as others have noted I think the 6 year layoff was a good idea and the series really did need a rest.

It sounds like they will do 3 films in 6 years with Craig. If they decide to do more, and I hope they do, I think they will need to put in a 3 year space between each film thereafter and then preferably a 4 year break between actors. But, that is hopefully a long way off. If Craig ages as well as Brosnan, I could see him doing 7 films if he wants to.

Cheers

Edited by Pushkin, 23 March 2008 - 03:01 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2008 - 03:01 AM

I still remember the bone chilling thrill I felt when the gunbarrel came up. Fantastic.

Which one do you mean, LTK or GoldenEye?