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#1951 dodge

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 05:05 PM

your opinion can't be weighed without substantiating detail. And if you're unwilling to provide that, because you're not on salary, why bother to post such a dismissive trashing?

That's fair comment. I'm so used to this thread (and most of the others) being nothing but a long list of consumables I rarely expect any comeback.


Thank you. And I'd like to balance my post fairly by adding: Michiko K, of the NYT, did have some high praise for the novel, but also some grave qualifications (only discovered when I read the entire review), as did many readers who've loved the book but found it flawed. To give just one example: it really would have been enough to mention that the hero-journalist wrote a controversial book on the economic scene--especially since the novel itself is showing high controversy in action. Nevertheless, the author spends three entire pages on the structure and contents of the hero's book. I was so caught up in the characters and the mystery that my interest never flagged. But I can see, without much effort, how others might be put off by such things. That said, I'm enjoying the second book immensely and am saddened all over again by the knowledge that the three books are all we will get.

#1952 elizabeth

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 11:03 PM

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

It's a piece of trash, but - as with The Da Vinci Code - I got tired of being the only guy in the room who hadn't read it.

I'm reading The Da Vinci Code right now and I enjoy it. Lots of things that lead to other things. It's cool. You can say "I don't care for this book" or some other polite phrase, but never, ever call literature trash, especially when talking to an English nerd like me.

Edited by elizabeth, 28 April 2010 - 10:34 PM.


#1953 Gabe Vieira

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 06:28 PM

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

It's a piece of trash, but - as with The Da Vinci Code - I got tired of being the only guy in the room who hadn't read it.

I'm reading The Da Vinci Code right now and I enjoy it. Lots of things that lead to other things. It's cool. You can say "I don't care for this book" or some other polite phrase, but never, ever call literature trash, especially when talking to an English nerd like me.

The Da Vinci Code is trash and certainly not literature. The Canterbury Tales is literature. Paradise Lost is literature. Dan Brown is a thieving, untalented, clown box.

#1954 elizabeth

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 09:35 PM

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

It's a piece of trash, but - as with The Da Vinci Code - I got tired of being the only guy in the room who hadn't read it.

I'm reading The Da Vinci Code right now and I enjoy it. Lots of things that lead to other things. It's cool. You can say "I don't care for this book" or some other polite phrase, but never, ever call literature trash, especially when talking to an English nerd like me.

The Da Vinci Code is trash and certainly not literature. The Canterbury Tales is literature. Paradise Lost is literature. Dan Brown is a thieving, untalented, clown box.

Dan Brown is not one of my favorites, but certainly one of the best. I enjoy his work. I think it's mysterious and cool and gives you something to figure out. I like books like that.

Oh, and if you think you're an English nerd like me and are mature enough to comment on books, guess what? You're not. Know why? Because the way you stated your opinion was extremely immature.

The only thing I agree with you on is that those titles are indeed magnificent works of literature, along with the DVC.

Edited by elizabeth, 29 April 2010 - 09:36 PM.


#1955 Gabe Vieira

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 10:35 PM

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

It's a piece of trash, but - as with The Da Vinci Code - I got tired of being the only guy in the room who hadn't read it.

I'm reading The Da Vinci Code right now and I enjoy it. Lots of things that lead to other things. It's cool. You can say "I don't care for this book" or some other polite phrase, but never, ever call literature trash, especially when talking to an English nerd like me.

The Da Vinci Code is trash and certainly not literature. The Canterbury Tales is literature. Paradise Lost is literature. Dan Brown is a thieving, untalented, clown box.

Oh, and if you think you're an English nerd like me and are mature enough to comment on books, guess what? You're not. Know why? Because the way you stated your opinion was extremely immature.

So, deeming one's personal opinion immature, deeming that same person not mature enough to state his opinions in the first place, and believing them self more mature than former said person (on the internet, none the less), is not immature?

#1956 elizabeth

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 09:20 PM

I didn't say you or the fact that you like to state your opinions was immature, I said the way you did so was immature.

And no, it's not, if it's obvious. Which it was.

Edited by elizabeth, 30 April 2010 - 09:22 PM.


#1957 Harmsway

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 01:01 PM

NAPOLEON SYMPHONY by Anthony Burgess.

Delightful so far.

#1958 Loomis

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 01:13 PM

I haven't read much Burgess, but I love EARTHLY POWERS.

Currently re-reading one of my all-time favourites, John Fowles' THE MAGUS.

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 04:52 PM

Currently re-reading one of my all-time favourites, John Fowles' THE MAGUS.

I know next-to-nothing about it, but a quick peek at its Wikipedia page has certainly aroused my interest.

#1960 OmarB

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 05:55 PM

Terry Pratchett - Unseen Academicals

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 06:33 PM

Hunting Trips of a Ranchman/The Wilderness Hunter by Theodore Roosevelt.

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Posted 08 May 2010 - 04:54 PM

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

It's a piece of trash, but - as with The Da Vinci Code - I got tired of being the only guy in the room who hadn't read it.

I'm reading The Da Vinci Code right now and I enjoy it. Lots of things that lead to other things. It's cool. You can say "I don't care for this book" or some other polite phrase, but never, ever call literature trash, especially when talking to an English nerd like me.


It would be interesting to make a comparative chart, setting passages--side by side--from Dan Brown and some established 'masters'. I'm thinking, in particular, of Alexander Dumas--who was, actually, a notorious Literary Factory, with a team of scribes doing not only his research but writing long passages that Dumas either didn't have time for or didn't feel particularly up to. I'm not trying to make a case that Brown is one of our top stylists--I think you'd agree that he isn't--but I am making a case that many books have gone on to become classics not because of a superior literary style but because of a story that's grabbed readers, and held them, for ages. And I believe that Brown's 'offences' will be mirrored in Dumas and numerous other Masters.

So, maybe, when we talk about literature we can think of it as being on a sort of sliding scale: from supreme stylistic masters (Flaubert, Dante) down to the nuts-and-bolts stylists whose stories win the race.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 03:29 PM

Have picked up a couple of Travis McGees at the library. Disappointed that, due to sizing down, they didn't carry the entire series. I wanted to start with The Deep Blue Goodby. Had to settle for The Quick Red Fox and Lonely Silver Rain, for now. Am enjoying TM immensely, but I have a hard time picturing how they'll make a film series relevant now. Too many heroes like him in the past fifty years. His brooding, philosphical, noble flawed knight...is he quirky enough for the times?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 04:38 PM

Have picked up a couple of Travis McGees at the library. Disappointed that, due to sizing down, they didn't carry the entire series. I wanted to start with The Deep Blue Goodby. Had to settle for The Quick Red Fox and Lonely Silver Rain, for now. Am enjoying TM immensely, but I have a hard time picturing how they'll make a film series relevant now. Too many heroes like him in the past fifty years. His brooding, philosphical, noble flawed knight...is he quirky enough for the times?



Phew, haven't read them all yet, but my personal impression is that Travis is (also), apart from a thriller/adventure series, a kind of thinking-man's commentary on his times.

Travis and sidekick Meyer together ponder the ludicrous fate of a landscape that threatens to become an utter monstrosity, a travesty of America's worst hangovers, cheap bogus tinsel inside which insufferable WASP idiots feel they've somehow 'made it', if only all those other insufferable idiots didn't make it hell. Travis and Meyer see it happen, and loath it, but they try not to judge their fellow folks around them for falling for the PR nightmare, or convince them.

Today, what MacDonald described has become a hundred times worse (and certainly not just in Florida), more ludicrous, loathsome and perverted, yet the actual relevancy is pretty much negligible. Everybody knows about the lunacy, still nobody is able to stop it, or feels even compelled to do so. McGee is really a child of his times, and one part of his theme were the twenty years he commented upon.

But as those years are now the past, so I feel one part of his allure, perhaps even the better part, has no real chance to be depicted in a series today. If the remaining material is enough to make it on the screen (and convince audiences to come back for more), has yet to be seen.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:41 PM

I have just finished Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro.

A great read, touching, thoughtful, shocking, heartbreaking even. Not necessarily one you will want to go back to, but surely one you won't forget. Not easy on the mind and conscience. I'm not sure, how much one should know about it in the beginning, so I'll go on in spoiler tags. But I really think you should pick up and read this.

Spoiler



I've only just now seen that the book was adapted with (amongst others) Keira Knightley and Charlotte Rampling; the release date apparently in November this year. I'd advise to read the book first, it's really a great and touching read.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 09:42 PM

Finished Brave New World. Strange ending, with points of a compass meant to describe the way John's feet are moving because he's hung himself.

What I just realized is the reason I enjoy science fiction novels is because of the themes, not the technology. In BNW, for example, I agree with a lot of the themes, such as the dangers of a technological takeover and mass consumption. I also see the difference between false and true happiness (soma creating a false sense of happiness).

All in all, Brave New World is not as epically amazing and thrilling as Great Expectations, but I still recommend it because it really makes you evaluate your life.

#1967 Gabe Vieira

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 06:01 PM

Finished Brave New World. Strange ending, with points of a compass meant to describe the way John's feet are moving because he's hung himself.

Had to read that in high school. Hated it. Should have gone with 1984.

Currently reading Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, and loving it. How do yow loose the Antichrist?! Hahaha!

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 10:27 PM

Finished Brave New World. Strange ending, with points of a compass meant to describe the way John's feet are moving because he's hung himself.

Had to read that in high school. Hated it. Should have gone with 1984.

What's with you, man? Why are you so negative? Sure, it wasn't as awesome as Great Expectations, and it was a bit harder to understand, but Aldous Huxley is a great author and I loved the theme of technology as a dictator.

You gotta stop this. I absolutely LOVE English and am really passionate about it, and to encounter someone so negative about it is hurting my feelings.

Edited by elizabeth, 14 May 2010 - 10:28 PM.


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Posted 15 May 2010 - 12:20 AM

Hunting Trips of a Ranchman/The Wilderness Hunter by Theodore Roosevelt.


I guess I'm just not into hunting stories. This book is really dragging. It's not "bad," but it's not sucking me in. I guess I'll just finish the half I'm on and save The Wilderness Hunter for another day.

#1970 Matt_13

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 02:15 AM

The Lost Symbol
Dan Brown


Meh. It's alright so far, I hope things heat up.

#1971 Gabe Vieira

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 11:50 PM

Finished Brave New World. Strange ending, with points of a compass meant to describe the way John's feet are moving because he's hung himself.

Had to read that in high school. Hated it. Should have gone with 1984.

What's with you, man? Why are you so negative? Sure, it wasn't as awesome as Great Expectations, and it was a bit harder to understand, but Aldous Huxley is a great author and I loved the theme of technology as a dictator.

You gotta stop this. I absolutely LOVE English and am really passionate about it, and to encounter someone so negative about it is hurting my feelings.

I have to stop what? Having an opinion? So I don't like Brave New World or Dan Brown novels, nothing wrong with that. There is no such thing as a negative opinion... because it's only one person's opinion. And I never meant to hurt your feelings, It's not like I'm saying these things on purpose. There has to be authors or novels you don't like.

And when I said, "Should have gone with 1984," I meant I should have gone with 1984 in high school. We could read either 1984, BNW or Frankenstein for our Sci-Fi 9-weeks.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 11:17 PM

Ok, well...please tell me you enjoy(ed) Great Expectations, [/i]The Great Gatsby[/i], or Othello?

And no there doesn't have to be authors you don't like. I love literature so much, I love them all! B)

#1973 Harmsway

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 01:36 AM

Personally, I adore BRAVE NEW WORLD. And I think it's better than 1984.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 04:34 PM

Have picked up a couple of Travis McGees at the library. Disappointed that, due to sizing down, they didn't carry the entire series. I wanted to start with The Deep Blue Goodby. Had to settle for The Quick Red Fox and Lonely Silver Rain, for now. Am enjoying TM immensely, but I have a hard time picturing how they'll make a film series relevant now. Too many heroes like him in the past fifty years. His brooding, philosphical, noble flawed knight...is he quirky enough for the times?



Phew, haven't read them all yet, but my personal impression is that Travis is (also), apart from a thriller/adventure series, a kind of thinking-man's commentary on his times.

Travis and sidekick Meyer together ponder the ludicrous fate of a landscape that threatens to become an utter monstrosity, a travesty of America's worst hangovers, cheap bogus tinsel inside which insufferable WASP idiots feel they've somehow 'made it', if only all those other insufferable idiots didn't make it hell. Travis and Meyer see it happen, and loath it, but they try not to judge their fellow folks around them for falling for the PR nightmare, or convince them.

Today, what MacDonald described has become a hundred times worse (and certainly not just in Florida), more ludicrous, loathsome and perverted, yet the actual relevancy is pretty much negligible. Everybody knows about the lunacy, still nobody is able to stop it, or feels even compelled to do so. McGee is really a child of his times, and one part of his theme were the twenty years he commented upon.

But as those years are now the past, so I feel one part of his allure, perhaps even the better part, has no real chance to be depicted in a series today. If the remaining material is enough to make it on the screen (and convince audiences to come back for more), has yet to be seen.


I'd read most of the series a good while ago and my recent go-through is limited to two books: THE QUICK RED FOX and DEADLY SHADE OF GOLD (I'd mistakenly thought I'd picked up LONELY SILVER RAIN). I quite agree with you about McGee being a child of his times. Possibly, MacDonald was too in certain ways...and not always the best of them. The two books are filled with gorgeous bits of poetry, moving philosphical/sociological insights, and deft characterizations--and McGee himself is an interesting character, but: the plotting often seems plodding, tension is low, the climaxes are weak, action almost nonexistent, the villains are ineffective and uninteresting...and the dialogue is often second-rate. In DEADLY, McGee strings up a party-girl, planning to bully and bluff her into telling what she knows. No need. She almost instantly launches into a SIX-PAGE spiel with perfectly rounded sentences, telling him everything!

I plan to give one or two more titles a try and am still hoping to find a library copy of the first book in the series,

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 04:59 PM

You only live twice

Haven´t read that one in ages. Thought it couldn´t hurt to brush up on it. With no new Bond film in sight and lots of material in this one unused...

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 09:50 PM

Personally, I adore BRAVE NEW WORLD. And I think it's better than 1984.

You win forever. B)

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 10:51 PM

Lee Child - Die Trying

So far it's pretty good. Great pace, good plotting, nice bursts of shocking violence. Works for me.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 06:33 AM

2001: A space Odyssey

I'm actually enjoying it a lot, Clarke is a great writer, I may continue with the sequel novels after this...though I hope 2010 is better than the movie.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:23 PM

2001: A space Odyssey

I'm actually enjoying it a lot, Clarke is a great writer, I may continue with the sequel novels after this...though I hope 2010 is better than the movie.

If I remember correctly, it is (it's been a long time). 3001 is a big let-down, though.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 09:17 PM

Yeah, 3001 is more than a little lame.